Why is Adam Baker not in jail?

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Doesn't CPS have to be in contact with BOTH of the adults in the home? They could not go and check on reported Child abuse and NOT discuss it with the Father in the home. Could they?

Yes, they did talk to AB several times.

1st report 1/29/10

1st contact: The report was initially assessed at the family residence on February 1, 2010, and included interviews with the father, stepmother and the child.

On February 4, 2010, an additional report was received containing the same allegations as in the January 29, 2010 report. A home visit was made with the family on February 4, 2010 to discuss the additional information received. Interviews were conducted with the father, stepmother, child, and a neighborhood friend of the family on this same date.

the case was closed on February 23, 2010 with no evidence of maltreatment or child safety issues.

On May 28, 2010, Caldwell County Social Services received a report regarding Zahra Baker. The father was interviewed on June 21, 2010.

The family assessment was completed and the case was closed on June 23, 2010 with no evidence of maltreatment or child safety issues.

On July 12, 2010, Caldwell County Social Services received a report regarding Zahra Baker.

Caldwell County Social Services attempted to locate the family on July 12, 2010 and again on July 13, 2010. These attempts were unsuccessful and the department learned that the family had moved to Catawba County.

On July 13, 2010 at 4pm, Catawba County Social Services (CCSS) received a Child Protective Services report request to assist Caldwell County Social Services.

An unannounced visit was made to the Baker home, located at 21st Avenue NW in Hickory on July 13, 2010 at 6:18 pm. The family's belongings were not fully unpacked due to the Bakers' recent move to Hickory. The stepmother, father, and Zahra Baker were all interviewed independently. There were no other minor children in the family.

Thereafter, CCSS visited the home on July 22, 2010 and August 5, 2010.

the case was closed on August 6, 2010. No other reports were received until after the disappearance of Zahra.

He does say in the 60 minute interview that he feared his wife, whom he calls Lisa, was hurting Zahra after he noticed the girl had a black eye.?

Why Adam didn't you do anything about it?

He wasn't asked the tough questions in the interview - I wish he had been.

MOO

Mel
 
Yes IMHO he knew that Zahra had been abused by his wife.

IMHO he knew the extent of that abuse.

IMHO he knew prior the the first 911 call that Zahra was deceased, and where she was located.

He is morally culpable for her murder. IMHO if any evidence could have been found to support any of the above then LE would have arrested him.

Instead we see this published in an article:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6142956&postcount=4"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2011.02.21: Elisa Baker indicted for 2nd degree murder!![/ame]
(mel's post on another thread, TY mel, click on link within post linked above for my snip)

Based on their findings, Gaither said there is no credible evidence to suggest anyone other than Elisa Baker was involved in death of Zahra.

No credible evidence. Interesting wording.

So yes bottom line unless other info comes out or additional evidence is released to the public IMHO AB knew that Zahra was abused.

It doesn't matter whether or not he could have anticipated the murder of Zahra, what matters is IMHO he was aware of the abuse and he chose not to do anything and that nonaction facilitated the murder directly/indirectly.

Will he ever be prosecuted for his indifference to his own daughter's abuse at the hands of her StepMom? Will he be prosecuted for his knowledge about her murder and disposal? Will he be prosecuted for a false report to LE? Etc....etc....etc...

See snippet above: no credible evidence
IMHO AB better hope that they don't find any credible evidence because IMHO they will nail him to the wall. Or at least I am hoping they would.

JMHO above.
 
:waitasec: I am kinda thinking more in the avenue of "Adam deceived CPS."

OK I'll bite on this one. I think the deception started in Aus. and his online activity. I believe it's possible when he met EB online he painted this picture of a loving father, into the same interests, wanting to travel to the USA, wanting to finally have that relationship that has undying love and a woman who seems to care for children, and one who is strong. (barf).
He came to the USA and had to prove his worth, work, manly hood(ahem) and be a provider. In doing so he quickly dumped Zahra into the throws of EB and relinquished his control of parenthood. Complete denile of the life he left behind, and getting further into the dark world. He had complete consciousness of his lack of parenting, but hid behind the curtain of OZ and the pants of EB. and the deceitful picture he painted to CPS. :twocents:
 
Adam Baker Feels Vindication After Elisa Baker Charged

HICKORY, N.C. -- Attorney Mark Killian said his client is vindicated after Hickory police announced second-degree murder charges against Elisa Baker -- and no charges against Adam Baker.

Killian said Baker was relieved when he heard about the charges and said Baker has maintained throughout the investigation that he wasn't involved at all.

When asked how much his client knew about Elisa Baker's alleged involvement in Zahra's disappearance, Killian said, "I don't think he knows a 100 percent of anything."

more at http://www.wsoctv.com/zahra-baker/26945014/detail.html
 
"I don't think he knows a 100 percent of anything." never such truer words spoken!

Sorry I couldn't help myself!
 
In the DSS summary they did NOT state Elisa was the abuser. They did NOT state Adam was the abuser. From this summary, we do not know who was the abuser, or if BOTH were the abusers.
 
There were some answers today.

I believe that there are still questions that haven't been answered.

IMHO
 
I don't understand why no charges of neglect or obstruction? TWO WEEKS! It kinda rings the same bells as in the ICA case of 31 DAYS!

How did he not ask about where Zahra was? Or at least look in on her? Open the door and ask if she wanted dinner? Breakfast? Lunch on Saturday?

I must sit on my hands now.
 
So, if AB is not guilty of anything related to Zahra, he is preparing to be deported??
 
In the interview I posted above, Adam responds that he cannot answer the question when asked when is the last time he saw Zahra, not just a lump in the bed that looked like her, because of the police investigation.



But....he already has answered this. He 100 percent genuinely saw her out of bed on Tuesday , errr......Thursday. That would either be Oct.5th, if Tuesday, or Oct. 7th if Thursday.

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25360091/index.html
 
The new video from today (Monday US time) is interesting, especially when compared with the one on 60 Minutes just 2 days ago. I really wonder what timeframe the 60 Minutes one sits at.

In the new video Adam's pretty similar in many ways, he speaks in a monotone, does the little mouth squish and half smile thing, looks down when remembering things then looks back up into the interviewer's eyes, and has the same sad eyes at certain times. But overall he seems much more animated to me. I guess that is because he considers that: 1) EB is charged; and 2) he is free and able to go home (Australia).

That last point was interesting – he wants to try and return to Australia and get back into work, and save some money so that he can come back for the trial. I would have thought there was NO QUESTION about that! Wouldn't he be called up for questioning (and expert cross-examination!!!)?

Even though he states he is happy at the start of the interview I don't think he really reveals this. But as the interview progresses he seemed to relax a little more and does manage to smile – at the moment where he says he jumped up and down this morning and cried tears with the news of the charging of EB.

The thing that was most interesting to me was that he made comments that were exactly the same – word-for-word – as those he made in the 60 Minutes interview – to return to Australia to "try and pick up a few pieces of my life". This confirms to me that as I suggested (my partner's observation) he was highly rehearsed in the other interview. Again this doesn't mean innocence or guilt, just that he has a script of answers in his head from either repeated thoughts, coaching by legal or other persons. This may well be normal human nature in the circumstances, I'm not sure.

He let out a little more information about seeing Zahra in bed in the evenings when he'd come home late from work, but still refused to answer the questions regarding the final few days ... when had he last "seen" HER? Again he excused answering, on the basis of this being an on-going investigation. I have no idea if this is instruction from lawyers or police, or just being evasive in answering questions.

But, all this said, the one thing that struck me as bizarre was his admission that EB was abusive towards him – verbally, and physically. That she hit him. I have to assume that he told LE this previously but we weren't informed. If that is not the case and he has just suddenly come out with this information he will need to answer to this, and I am sure they will be asking the hard questions.*

Overall, he seemed to have a lot more words to say. I guess this is probably to be expected given: 1) EB's charges, and 2) him being off the hook (at this point). In general I think his mannerisms were pretty similar. He's not a man of great emotional self-expression. He is not very animated. He sits completely still when listening to a question (makes you wonder if the video is buffering). He still nods his head when he says something affirmative, and shakes his head from side to side when he states something in the negative or that he denies. In that regard he is pretty consistent from interview to interview. The differences may well be accounted for in the time frames of the footage and in the circumstances (ie today's news).

[* footnote ... I just want to add that I am aware some victims of domestic abuse, especially those suffering PTSD can take months and even many years to admit to themselves and the world that such abuse actually took place. So on that basis I don't want to be too harsh a judge. He may have had a major struggle with admitting that a woman dominated and abused him, just as many other people have their own reasons for failing to admit about their own being abused. It's a tough one]
 

------interview transcript-----

--------adam's interview after hearing that elisa was indicted----02-21-2011-----



Steve: ( setting up the camera angles..) now, you look right at me ok?
Adam: shakes head, yes..

Steve: Adam, your reactions to the statements today by the D.A.?
Adam: happy, extremely happy, something’s actually gonna be done.

Steve: do you think then, what have you been going through the last couple of months?
Adam: umm, you name it, every emotion you can think of. Umm, isolation, wondering whether they were going to actually charge, after some statements that were made out, with uh, if any one gets charged for this, that made me think maybe they didn’t have any proof at all. Umm, I’m extremely grateful, that hickory police and everybody else has taken their time , going through everything properly,and come to the conclusion that they’ve come to.

Steve: a lot of people think that you should be charged.
Adam: well I’ve said all along that I’ve had no, no involvement with Zahra’s death or dismemberment.

Steve: none at all?
Adam: no
Steve: did you know what was going on?
Adam: no
Steve: people say, how could you not know?

Adam: uh, lisa’s uh, very manipulative, umm, abusive..
Steve: to you?
Adam: yeah, to me.umm, very controlling. Um, plus with work I was gone first thing in the morning didn’t get home until late um, was told that Zahra was in bed , cause Zahra normally went to bed early.
Um, I checked every night from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she was in bed, there was something in bed. (makes w-e-i-r-d- face)

Steve: did elisa ever tell you NOT to go in there ?
Adam: umm, no. She’s known, well she knows that if Zahra’s asleep and I come home I open the door check that she’s in there, asleep, and then go and have a shower, after work.

Steve: what did you see when you’d look in the room?

Adam: it looked like Zahra was in bed.
Steve: something under the sheets?
Adam: yep

Steve: when you made that 911 call that morning you said hat you had last seen her at 2:30 THAT morning.
Adam: no. I said WE. Lisa had checked on her.
Steve: Lisa told you that?
Adam: yeah
Steve: You did not ?
Adam: no I was asleep.
Steve: when was the last time you saw Zahra?

Adam: it, what I thought was Thursday night.
Steve: for sure? But I mean you looked in and you saw her , what you thought was Zahra, but when you know for sure it was Zahra---when was the last time?

Adam: well, Steve, I really can’t answer that at the moment because the police are still doing their investigation. Umm, I’d love to answer that , but as I said, I don’t want to do anything to hinder their investigation at this time.

Steve: what do you think about the whole thing at this point when the news came, what was your First thought?
Adam: Yes! Finally. Jumped up and down crying , probably looked like an idiot but, didn’t really care.
Steve: what do you think this means for Zahra?
Adam: justice finally. She’ll finally get the justice that everyone’s been waiting for. Um, like I said it’s been a long time coming and I hope that Lisa gets everything that she deserves.

Steve: what do, where do you go from here?

Adam: I don’t know, um..
Steve: are you going to stay around?
Adam: I’m still waiting, I’m going to stay here as long as the hickory police and everybody else needs me here, um, once I’ve helped them with anything else they need to be helped with, then hopefully I’ll be going back to Australia. Um, try pick up a few pieces of my life and save some money so I can come back here for when the trial happens.

Steve: what do you say to people who are looking at you, are looking at this right now, and are thinking “I still think he did it, I think he should be charged, what do you say to them?”
Adam: everybody, everybody’s entitled to have their own opinion. Everybody’s had their own opinion all the time, I just want to say Thank you to everybody that has believed me this whole time, and has given me, you know, their thoughts and their prayers.

Steve: have you been out to the memorial on Christie road yet?
Adam: no I haven’t actually been out there.
Steve: do you plan to go?
Adam: yes I do.

Steve: overall thoughts. Anything else you’d like to say?
Adam: um, the only thing I’d really like to say is, you know, again to thank everybody that’s put all their time and effort into finding the evidence and getting this result for Zahra.
Steve: anything to say to Lisa?

Adam: nothing to say to Lisa. I haven’t spoken to her, contacted her since any of this started.
Steve: when she, when you and she got married, she was still married to somebody else. Did you have any idea?
Adam: no. No, in Australia when you get married you have to provide proof of divorce and stuff and she showed some divorce papers from a previous marriage. So, as far as I knew she’d only been married that one time before.

Steve: you didn’t know about-----you were the 7th?
Adam: yeah, I’ve come to find out I was the 7th. That’s a bit of a shock.
Steve: what does that tell you about her?
Adam: um, you know, that uh, she has a history of doing this sort of stuff, manipulating everybody in her life.
Steve: you said she was abusive toward you. In what way?
Adam: uhh, verbally, emotionally, physically. Uhh, throw things....hit.

Steve; what do you think when you look back in a couple of years, would you do something different?
Adam: yeah, I would never have got her involved in Zahra and my life. That’s the biggest mistake I’ve ever made. I’ll regret that for the rest of my life.
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( ------------note---------i was unable to reply to the transcript i had done on adam's 60 minutes interview as the thread was closed-------it was mentioned that i had missed pieces, i hadn't, the Oz video had been pulled---the transcript is the youtube version---thanks pattyG!--- which cuts off .....lj. )

---for those who missed that adam/liz hayes interview-----

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhV5AHyMYI[/ame]
Adam Baker father of murdered Zahra Baker 60 minutes interview Feb 20th 2011
 
If your link goes "*************", it means that site is not allowed on WS. FYI.
 
There were 15 days there that Adam supposedly did not see his daughter.
I wish someone would ask him if he had a day off during that time, or did he work 15 straight days. If he had a day off, did he not see Zahra?
Also he stated how abusive Elisa was to him, did he not think she was also abusive to Zahra?
 
exactly,I don't believe for one minute he did not at least know what was going on.
At the least if you love your child you don't go for 15 days without giving that child a hug or talk to that child.
This makes me extremely mad.No charges against AB, only 2nd degree murder against EB
:(
 
Sorry to quote myself. This is part of a post from September. I believed he was innocent then and I believe it now. I just wanted to post my reasons again.

From the Why is Adam Baker not in jail? thread
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I don't think he had anything to do with her death.
1-the 911 call where he says " how are you" or something instead of "hello or hi", a lot of people have been reading something into that. Maybe it's how they talk in Australia. People usually say some sort of greeting.
2-And when he says this in the 911 call: "And my daughter is I think's coming into puberty.. cause she is hitting that brooding stage (laughter) so we only see her when she comes out when she wants something. And that's about it" - I think that is what he was told by his wife, as an excuse for why Zahra isn't out of her room. He doesn't appear to be someone that would ever use the word "puberty"
3-EB's daughter spoke at her bond hearing and said she was afraid of her mother, didn't say "I'm afraid of them or him too"

It's just a feeling or intuition thing but this man seems simple, to put it a nice way, uneducated. I think he worked long days, came home from work, Zahra wasn't seen and he was told by EB that she's pouting or something and in her room and doesn't want anyone in her room and/or has become very shy and modest - so don't bother her.

Side note: If step mom had Zahra so convinced not to say anything to anyone about the abuse or receive more abuse, so much so that a child welfare "expert" (as in went to college to get a degree to work for welfare agency and trained in recognizing signs of abuse) went to the Baker house to check allegations of abuse and was fooled by EB and didn't think there was a need to take immediate action ----- ---isn't it possible that EB manipulated the situation and had Adam fooled also?

Also, I think it should be Murder One! She talked up a storm at the beginning. She had an attorney. I don't think her attorney would have let her talk if there wasn't a deal on the table. maybe something like, LE told her if she talked they would never charge her with 1st degree down the road so possibility of DP out of the equation
 
( ------------note---------i was unable to reply to the transcript i had done on adam's 60 minutes interview as the thread was closed-------it was mentioned that i had missed pieces, i hadn't, the Oz video had been pulled---the transcript is the youtube version---thanks pattyG!--- which cuts off .....lj. )
Lauriej, that was probably my comment. I was referring to the ??? where it seemed you may have had trouble with Liz' accent, or something similar from recollection. I offered to go over the video and update your transcript if anyone wanted me to; but please note stated I felt it would probably make no difference to the overall gist of it. Your transcriptions are a terrific benefit to everyone at WS, Please do not misinterpret my intentions. I simply understand that many people find Australian accents fairly challenging.
 
Thanks for posting the 60 Minutes interview (you tube).

So not only did this guy not see his daughter for TWO WEEKS and they lived in the same house, it also took him NINE HOURS after receiving the ransom note to call police.

What is wrong with this picture??? :eek:

OMG!
 
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