Why is Adam Baker not in jail?

[tlcya]

just to be clear, I do not consider myself an AB supporter although I have struggled with doubts as to whether he was involved or duped or something in between.

I am a Zahra supporter, as are we all. I respect everyone who is (a Zahra supporter), whether their opinions differ from my ever evolving ones or not.

Today is a good day, the beginning of justice for our little gal.

 

[westsidefox64]

I will say supporter wasnt the best word I could have used. i have said since day 1 that hes guilty of neglect. I have also since day one took alot of criticism in my belief that he wasnt involved in the death of his daughter which I still stand by 100%.

 

[tlcya]

poor choice of words, we've all been there, lol.

 

[Adrienne37]

Well I always thought AB was not involved, but I sure as he77 wasn't a supporter of his.
I always thought he was a pizz poor figure of a father and should be charged with some kind of child endangerment or neglect.

Same here Jo. I'm definitely not an Adam supporter but I honestly think the guy is just dumb as a box of rocks. I've always felt he was completely snowed under by Elisa and everything she said as it seems she is the master of manipulation.



~jmo~

 

[katydid23]

Adam Baker said in his 60 Minutes interview that there is no way his daughter died in Sept. Elisa's inditement says Zahra died on or about the 24th of September. He says he saw her the week she was reported missing!!! Big discrepancy! What could possibly explain him having zero knowledge of what had happened? And why would he lie about when he saw Zahra last, unless he was trying to protect himself?

Did he say he saw her? I didnt see it, but from what I read, he said he couldn't answer the question.

 

[dar107]

Did he say he saw her? I didnt see it, but from what I read, he said he couldn't answer the question.

No, he did not specify what day he last saw her in the 60 Minutes interview.

 

[tlcya]

at varrying points and in varrying statements AB has made a number of very different statements regarding when he last set eyes on Zahra.

 

[katydid23]

at varrying points and in varrying statements AB has made a number of very different statements regarding when he last set eyes on Zahra.

I think one of his biggest hurdles is going to be the 'fire in the yard.' How do you call fire trucks to your home, and then not go and get your deaf, disabled child from her room?

 

[tlcya]

I agree, I have had issues with that from day one. It goes against every parental instinct. One would have to be gullible bordering on mentally challenged to simple take EB's word about where Zahra was, Oh I checked on her already or whatever. Especially not having set eyes on Zahra himself for days or weeks depending on which of the many statements is to be believed.

It is not looking good for AB. They may not be able to charge him for any involvement in the disposal at this point but he is not faring well in the court of public opinion, for sure.

 

[Tricia]

Today we moved a step closer into finding out what happened to Zarah Baker. Her step-mother Elisa was indicted on 2nd degree murder charges.

The police were very clear. Elisa acted alone. Therefore Zarah's father is not a suspect in her murder.

BUT, did his actions help bring about Zarah's death? I think this is a fair question and should be allowed to be discussed.

So many people failed Zarah. So many people KNEW she was being abused and just let it go.

Common sense tells us that Adam saw the abuse. How much we don't know.

Did Adam's inaction help contribute to her death? This is a fair question.

In the eyes of the law Adam did not kill his daughter and therefore is considered a victim (according to our rules) in the death of his daughter.

This does not mean we can't discuss, Adam's inaction as far as the abuse of his daughter or we can discuss perhaps how you think Adam was fooled as well as CPS. We can do all of this without trashing Adam.

Adam has lost his daughter at the hands of someone he brought into her life. The hell he must being through is hard to imagine. We don't to pile it on by being mean.

It all depends on how you phrase something really as to whether it is trashing or not.

Example of trashing: "Of course he knew, what a pig, he is guilty of murder and should be locked up.

Example of adult discussion without trashing. "He wasn't directly involved in his daughter's death. How much of the abuse did he actually witness?
I think by letting an abuser stay in his home he failed his daughter."

see the difference?

Any questions?

Guys, we don't want to micro moderate the forum. Just use your common sense. If it sounds like something someone would say on Jerry Springer don't say it. OK?

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I admit I haven't followed this case as much as I've followed others. What I want to know is how long did it take Adam to call about his daughter being missing? Was it actually two weeks that she had been missing when he called? Why the delay?

Just from what I read about the case before, and what I've read today, I'm confused why LE isn't looking deeper into his actions. :waitasec:

Thanks in advance.

 

[raisincharlie]

DSS facts: http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=14070673

Summary of DSS involvement.

 

[tlcya]

We will do our level best to walk that fine line Tricia. Heard and understood.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Gotcha, Tricia.

Unfortunately, for me, following the rules is going to have to come via avoiding the topic altogether. I'll let the grown-ups carry on the AB discussion without me.

 

[Allusonz]

Zahra herself must of been denying the abuse

shakes head

 

[Tricia]

Gotcha, Tricia.

Unfortunately, for me, following the rules is going to have to come via avoiding the topic altogether. I'll let the grown-ups carry on the AB discussion without me.

I hear you. Believe me.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I agree, I have had issues with that from day one. It goes against every parental instinct. One would have to be gullible bordering on mentally challenged to simple take EB's word about where Zahra was, Oh I checked on her already or whatever. Especially not having set eyes on Zahra himself for days or weeks depending on which of the many statements is to be believed.

It is not looking good for AB. They may not be able to charge him for any involvement in the disposal at this point but he is not faring well in the court of public opinion, for sure.

The problem we are having here is that we think Adam had parental instincts, I don't think he had any.
I can totally see him working, getting high, having his dinner, watching T.V. and getting taken care of in the bedroom.
He might have asked occasionally, where is Zahra, given some kind of answer, accepted it and gone about what he was doing.
I highly doubt that before Zahra went missing, he would come home from work and ask Zahra how her day was and how she was doing in school, heck she wasn't even in school.
He doesn't want to say when the last time he saw his daughter, because he can't remember.
He can't believe it has been 15 days because he would have to admit what a worthless father he's been for not noticing it was that long since he last saw her.

 

[Amster]

DSS facts: http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=14070673

Summary of DSS involvement.

In the video of the interview with AB, he says he was told by E that Zahara had gone to bed early, was asleep, etc. when he'd ask where Zahara was. Says he always looked in on Zahara and saw "something" in the bed he thought was her....:sick:.....that E abused him, manipulated him.....

I'm getting really ANGRY!! BBL

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Gotcha, Tricia.

Unfortunately, for me, following the rules is going to have to come via avoiding the topic altogether. I'll let the grown-ups carry on the AB discussion without me.

I know exactly what you mean. I've had to avoid threads in the Dunn case for that very reason. :wink:

Zahra herself must of been denying the abuse

shakes head

She isn't the first or the last child to deny abuse was going on. That's an obstacle child protective service agents all over the country (world) have to deal with, children are afraid to admit to being abused for fear of being removed from their homes, or maybe fear of more abuse when the agent leaves. It's all so tragic.

 

[tlcya]

Well put Jo. That is my suspicion as well. Totally uninvolved. Ceded power, control and care of his child completely to the little woman. At the least. At the very least, I must judge him guilty of failing this child by ommission.