Why is Adam Baker not in jail?

[panthera]

The problem we are having here is that we think Adam had parental instincts, I don't think he had any.
I can totally see him working, getting high, having his dinner, watching T.V. and getting taken care of in the bedroom.
He might have asked occasionally, where is Zahra, given some kind of answer, accepted it and gone about what he was doing.
I highly doubt that before Zahra went missing, he would come home from work and ask Zahra how her day was and how she was doing in school, heck she wasn't even in school.
He doesn't want to say when the last time he saw his daughter, because he can't remember.
He can't believe it has been 15 days because he would have to admit what a worthless father he's been for not noticing it was that long since he last saw her.

I agree - we are assuming he had parental instincts, therefore we can't comprehend why he didn't go into his daughter's room, kiss her goodnight, or give her a hug for approximately two weeks (assuming the timeline is correct regarding the approximate date of death). It appears to be very clear now that taking care of Zahra was EB's job and possibly why EB was in the picture to begin with, as his mother had primarily been taking care of Zahra when she lived in Australia. MOO

 

[tlcya]

Someone posed the following question on another thread and I wanted to address it because it really got me thinking but didn't want to in that thread as it would drag things off topic.

The question was asked: Why would EB have taken the trouble to bury the remains found at dudley shoals in a shallow grave and simply chuck the rest out into the brush in the other location?

I do not recall the poster but the inferrence was that those remains being buried took a little time and showed remorse, or some level of care that the poster did not think EB capable of, therefore it may be that AB did that.

I think it is well established that there is one thing and one thing only that EB cares about - and that is EB. I can see her burying the remains in that spot tho. If you look at the road and the area those remains were found, you will see that that spot is not at all far off the road. Plus, given the waterfall, the proximity of nearby school, etc. I would bet that that area is more likely to see some more traffic from kids, cars etc.

If you did NOT bury the remains, at least a little, I can imagine some stray dog dragging half a torso out onto Dudley Shoals. IMO those remains had to be buried for self preservation.

The others, less so because of the more sparsely travelled area, the less likelyhood of people happening on that particular spot. I think those ones were not buried with the sole idea being that that area is much more sparlsy populated and more heavily wooded and animals would drag off remains, doing EB's dirty work for her.

So to conclude, the buried remains at Dudley Shoals do not make me think AB specifically disposed of those or that someone showed special care to them.

 

[passionflower]

IMO, AB is as guilty as what ever her name is!
I give him no excuses...........Zahra hurt there lifestyle.
He never even bought he a new leg.
He could of left Zahra with his mother in AU.
or give Zahra back to her bio mom!

 

[Tricia]

No bashing. Adult discussion.

Adam IS NOT A SUSPECT in the death of his daughter. This thread is strictly for the abuse aspect of the case involving Elisa and what, if anything, Adam knew.

What did Adam Baker know, When did he know it, or, was he fooled by CPS.

Tricia

 

[bellyup]

How many children are abused and their own parent doesn't realize it or somehow cannot admit to it (denial?) ? There are numbers too high to comment on. Daughters that have been repeatedly raped by their own fathers and yet the mothers will loudly contest that they didn't know, they did not suspect. There are mothers who beat their children while the fathers are away at work. I've seen it ... and the fathers truly have no idea. It happens all the time.

Even with CPS showing up........ one that is extremely manipulative could convince their partner that it was based on false accusations, scorned relatives, or any number of reasons.

Sadly I don't think many fathers are as "tuned in" to a little girl being in misery either. They don't notice the subtle variances in posture, attitude, demeanor that a woman might pick up on as a red flag.

After seeing AB's interview I am even more convinced than I was that AB didn't know what was going on. I see genuine pain in his face. He's heartbroken.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

In the video of the interview with AB, he says he was told by E that Zahara had gone to bed early, was asleep, etc. when he'd ask where Zahara was. Says he always looked in on Zahara and saw "something" in the bed he thought was her....:sick:.....that E abused him, manipulated him.....

I'm getting really ANGRY!! BBL

For two whole weeks? He thought the lump in the bed was his daughter for TWO WEEKS!

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14071308

So during those two weeks, he never had a day off? Never wondered why the child slept constantly?

Nice, real nice.

Again I ask, what took him so long? :shakehead:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Note to self: do not even read the AB threads.

 

[panthera]

For two whole weeks? He thought the lump in the bed was his daughter for TWO WEEKS!

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14071308

So during those two weeks, he never had a day off? Never wondered why the child slept constantly?

Nice, real nice.

Again I ask, what took him so long? :shakehead:

I can't help but wonder at what point he may have actually gone inside her room and discovered she wasn't there? Did he not care or was he following orders? And why did he initially say he'd seen her within a couple of days before the 911 call? :maddening: MOO

 

[tlcya]

I honestly don't know the answer to that. I find his affect very, um, interesting. I think he is the sort of male who lets the women in his life handle the woman stuff. His mother, Karen Baker assisted him with raising Zahra while in Australia. I get the impression that he simply wasn't a very "hands on" sort of father but rather, left it all up to the female in the household.

It would not surprise me one bit if that tact continued once he arrived here stateside.

Should he have been more involved? I think so.

Does it mean he knew of the abuse and was complicit in allowing it to go on? I really have not formed an opinion on that yet. Or I should say I form an opinion daily on that and then change it the next.

ETA I do think, in light of CPS contact summary released today, that he has no excuse for not being on notice that at least some people had serious concerns. Serious enough to report them. Reports were made on numerous occassions. Any parent who I can respect would have their radar up after one.

If he was gullible enough to believe that all those seperate reports were just made out of sour grapes from peple who hated EB then he is gullible indeed. Especially since we also know that there were a number of LE involed domestic reports so, the honeymoon was definately over if all the screaming and brawling the Bakers were doing at their address previous to 21st are any indication.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I'm beginning to remember why I didn't get heavily involved in this case. I remember reading this stuff early into her "disappearance" and recall telling myself to step away -- or get a TO.

I just can't understand people not being involved in their children's lives, although I know it happens all the time, sadly. You'd think her father would have wanted more time with her, especially after the cancer.

Poor little Zahra, how she must have suffered - all alone in the world. :cry:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Note to self: do not even read the AB threads.

:floorlaugh:

 

[katydid23]

It is hard for me to believe that he didn't know anything. After the fire and the ransom note, wouldn't he go and check on his deaf, disabled child? How could he ignore her after a scare like that? I really need to hear from him his explanation for that.

And how could he go for 2 weeks without once seeing or speaking to her while she was in his home? She was 10. Who ignores completely their cancer surviving, disabled, beautiful, sweet innocent daughter?

 

[Flakes]

I agree with you 100% tlcox and have stated such in the last 24 hours here. I think he went out to do the work, while he entrusted the day-to-day care giving to his wife (and previously his mother). Very defined ideas of a man and a woman's role. And this absolutely failed Zahra in this case. I find it hard to comprehend how AB could be so influenced and misguided by the words of his wife that he would accept her word on Zahra's welfare, instead of checking in on her himself for a chat. Yes daughters can be moody, I realise. In my mind the dates are still very confusing. I realise the press conference stated Sept 24th as the presumed date of the murder, however I feel the need to wait until the case is done to really get a grasp of that timeframe. I still have in my mind the suggestion of the purchase of the new Pitbull puppy on Sept 25th ... surely Zahra and Adam would have played with the new pup out in the home? What child doesn't want to play with a new cute puppy? This all confuses me.

 

[Melanie]

This is a tough one. For someone to take their child away from her mother (to another country) you would think he would be very involved. If he couldn't be bothered, then why not leave Zahra in OZ with his ex-wife and other family members. This has always bothered me.

OTOH, Prosecutors allege she had a pattern of physically, verbally and psychologically abusing her disabled stepdaughter Zahra.

How could he not be aware of this abuse?

And I can't get past that the death happened on or about 9/24, but he didn't call 911 until 10/9. 2 weeks without seeing his daughter? To me that sounds quite unlikely.

In short, I believe AB knew/knows about the abuse yet chose to turn a blind eye. He should have been Zahra's protector, but IMHO he was not.

MOO

Mel

ETA: How can AB acknowledge that abuse didn't happen when there were many complaints to CPS? http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14070673

Did he not know about those visits, or chose to ignore them? I would have been asking some serious questions and taking my child out of the home stat!

 

[passionflower]

IMO, AB knew about Zahra's abuse and might of also been an abuser........
I keep thinking of the trying to run the daughter's car off of the road.
Games they played on internet etc.
AB knew IMO that Zahra's leg was to small etc.
IMO he is as guilty.

 

[tlcya]

I agree with you 100% tlcox and have stated such in the last 24 hours here. I think he went out to do the work, while he entrusted the day-to-day care giving to his wife (and previously his mother). Very defined ideas of a man and a woman's role. And this absolutely failed Zahra in this case. I find it hard to comprehend how AB could be so influenced and misguided by the words of his wife that he would accept her word on Zahra's welfare, instead of checking in on her himself for a chat. Yes daughters can be moody, I realise. In my mind the dates are still very confusing. I realise the press conference stated Sept 24th as the presumed date of the murder, however I feel the need to wait until the case is done to really get a grasp of that timeframe. I still have in my mind the suggestion of the purchase of the new Pitbull puppy on Sept 25th ... surely Zahra and Adam would have played with the new pup out in the home? What child doesn't want to play with a new cute puppy? This all confuses me.

agreed. I have had that viewpoint of AB and his attitude towards household and familial roles since day one and my posts about it were not well received, as I was in the minority in that view. I still feel that way, although I have been back and forth on what his role was after Zahra's death.

 

[katydid23]

Doesn't CPS have to be in contact with BOTH of the adults in the home? They could not go and check on reported Child abuse and NOT discuss it with the Father in the home. Could they?

 

[Patty G]

:waitasec: I am kinda thinking more in the avenue of "Adam deceived CPS."

 

[panthera]

:waitasec: I am kinda thinking more in the avenue of "Adam deceived CPS."

I agree.

 

[westsidefox64]

We have heard from others that EB didnt abuse her in front of AB. He said Zahra corraberated EBs story of the black eye. I think she was a manipulator and had him fooled. IF the abuse only happened when he was gone and she had Zahra scared enough not to tell he very well might have been in the dark. She held something over that little girls head. I personally think she told her she would kill her daddy. JMO