WHY was JonBenet really killed - Motive?

[Nuisanceposter]

What terrorists? There were never any at the Ramsey house, and the Rs knew it very well. That's why they called 911 and sent Burke out without concern. Defying the ransom note would have gotten their daughter beheaded if it had been real - would you have saluted them then?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

What terrorists? There were never any at the Ramsey house, and the Rs knew it very well.

The claim that there were never any terrorists at the R's is unverified. The idea that the R's 'knew it very well' is also an unverified claim.

To illustrate, it was not known who killed the Tates or LaBiancas upon the initial discovery of the crime scene. It was not learned until later what had actually happened. In this in-between phase, the Manson family was not known to be involved.

The JBR murder is in the in-between phase, IMO.

 

[Britt]

Another supposed lie in the RN is that there was never any kidnapping. She was murdered. That doesn't mean they never wanted to kidnap JBR. Perhaps something went wrong in the basement, JBR fought back, and they murdered her. That doesn't mean they never wanted the money.

Then why didn't they complete the "kidnapping" by taking the body?

And what were they doing in the basement in the first place? JB was on the second floor and the note was left on the first floor, where the exits were also conveniently located.

 

[UKGuy]

Then why didn't they complete the "kidnapping" by taking the body?

And what were they doing in the basement in the first place? JB was on the second floor and the note was left on the first floor, where the exits were also conveniently located.

Britt,

Exactly.

Also, what was the kidnapper and ransom note author doing by sexually assaulting JonBenet, then wiping her down and changing her underwear?

Thats not writen into the Ransom Note as a threat, asphyxiation and sexual assault are as horrific as a beheading, just what was the kidnapper thinking?


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[Camper]

Think about it, since the 'word' terrorist was introduced to this thread.

The common MO of 'a' terrorist is just to make the person disappear POOF. Then those folk who 'wonder' where the 'person' went. (takeoff here on the toothpaste commercial, you 'wonder where the yellow went when you use ________fill in the blank.

AFTER the person has disappeared, the common tactic has been to then make a 'demand' AFTER the person is gone gone.

When the demand is not met, another might be made, then we typically find the person hacked up.

Now then have any of us read of any little child who has gone missing in America with such stumblebum things happening as in the Ramsey case? Long ramblingsome notes, threats, monies wanted, redressing the 'victims' and leaving them to be found in their homes etc., etc.

Just why did the terrorists not continue with their same MO, it worked so well for them, except for the money part, and the catching them part.

The terrorists that I know of in America and elsewhwere are fond of truck bombs. Why not drive a truck into the front of Access Graphics, it was located on Pearl Street Mall, a very wide area, with no car traffic allowed, and no one would have been there on Christmas night. Plus they would have been blown to bits too. ER they coulda gone there behind the building that housed AG. This method of course most likely would have caused the terrorist to die, unless they
copycatted the Ok City Murrah, course those guys went to prison.

OR better yet, mail the ramblingsome note to Access Graphics and put a bomb on the Ramsey plane with a bomb on board. Something with a timer that would cause explosion one or two hours after the engine is started. IF your terrorist had done this method he/she would still be living, which is the case here too 'maybe'.

HOH, your 'terrorists' were not very creative in their vengeance requirements.

Certainly JonBenets death stopped whomever had been abusing her from being abused ever again. Thus a victory there in someones mind at least. Big question is WHO relieved her of abuse? Was that the total motive?

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[Holdontoyourhat]

terrorist

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

"...but not the country that it serves..." is a political statement.

'...small foreign faction..." is a small cell.

"...beheaded." is an unusual threat for a simple kidnapper.


Some of the elements of terrorism are present.



terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]

"you're not the only fat cat...don't think that killing will be difficult" isn't even related to a kidnapping for ransom. Its a threat against civilians.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Why are these terrorists targeting John Ramsey, of all people, and why are they going after him through his daughter? And why not capture and murder his young son too? Why not set fire to his house on the way out?

If these "terrorists" have a problem with the US, why would they decide John Ramsey's little girl is the way to make an impact and a statement? Why would terrorists have any respect for JR at all? Why would they care if he was rested, and why would they leave the note and NOT take the child???

How can you take that ridiculous note so seriously, HOTYH?

 

[BBB167893]

[NP] "How can you take that ridiculous note so seriously, HOTYH?"

Who knows? But, since he brought it up, I've got something for you, HOTYH:

"To: TJackson
I have been researching the two Boulder AIM activists Professor Ward Churchill and attorney Lee Hill for several years. I have an enormous amount of research, but what I have found is so scary that I thought maybe I was crazy. So since 2003, I gave up my research. Now it is all coming out about how Ward Hill is a plagiarist. He is much worse. I am going to sketch it out. I have all the details. This is a very complicated propaganda drive so I am only sketching the big picture. But make no mistake, I have all the details to back up my accusation. Lee Hill was the lawyer for Leonard Peltier, the Indian who was convicted of murdering two FBI agents. Hill lived in Boulder until he jumped bail and ran on assault, weapons, and driving charges. Lee Hill, the man who organized a lot of lies about the Ramsey case and fed them to the media, is on the run from the law. The AIM activists Ward Churchill and Lee Hill are really anarchists, and their main agenda is to discredit law enforcement, especially the FBI. They are not really about helping Indians. They make life more difficult for Indians. After JonBenet Ramsey was murdered, AIM activist and lawyer Lee Hill orchestrated fake witnesses and interfered with the Ramsey grand jury. His purpose was not to uncover the killer but to promote the false perception in the media that the government, police and FBI were covering up for a ring of highly-placed pedophiles. The real agenda was anarchistic: to discredit government institutions. This propaganda was much like what Ward Churchill and AIM had done at PineRidge Indian Reservation. They had claimed that the FBI was protecting the killers of about 50 Indian AIM activists and their families who were supposedly murdered. Churchill called this episode the "Reign of Terror." At Pine Ridge and Boulder, AIM activists have claimed that the FBI protected killers. Ward Churchill has written that the FBI are terrorists. I noticed that the story Churchill told about the suspicious deaths at Pine Ridge during the "Reign of Terror" is plagiarized from an FBI file called The Osage Indian Murders. To create his propaganda about Pine Ridge, Churchill cannabalized the Osage Murders FBI file and reworked it into his Pine Ridge myth. KJust as Churchill made a "mirror image" of the paintings, he made a "mirror image of an FBI file. Churchill hates the FBI so he plagiarized their first big case and then made the FBI the "bad guys" in his Pine Ridge propaganda. This is the classic BIG LIE. It is so big I felt crazy when I figured it out, but this is Churchill's tin foil hat, not mine. Now that people see he plagiarized the painting, people may believe me about how Churchill plagiarized the FBI file on the Osage Indian murders. There is also a book by Lawrence Hogan called the Osage Indian Murders. The book is easier to read than the FBI files, tho' these are on line at Hogan was an FBI agent and a US Congressman. This FBI investigation was the first big case of the FBI. Perhaps that is why this file is the focus of Churchill's hatred and the subtext of his delusional system. In the 1920s, many rich Osage Indians were murdered on the orders of a wealthy rancher named Hale so that his family could control oil-head rights through a young Indian woman who was married to a nephew of Hale's. These murders were made to look like accidents in many cases; the Indians called this era the "Reign of Terror." Churchill plagiarized his myth of the Pine Ridge "Reign of Terror" from the Osage story. He even used the same term "Reign of Terror." He wrote that there were suspicious deaths of AIM activists being facilitated by the FBI. He called the FBI terrorists in his writings about Pine Ridge. I will not address the FBI refutations of Churchill's myth now, because this is just the overview. You can read refutations at
The Osage contacted the new FBI, and the Bureau investigated the killings. They went undercover because the Indians were afraid to talk to an FBI agent. This is a problem even now. The Indians are told by AIM not to trust the FBI; so they don't help the FBI solve crimes and are victimized by criminals. The FBI can't help us if we citizens don't help them. They depend on citizens coming forward. Now here is the thing that blew me away in the Osage Indian Murders FBI file. The actual hired killer of the Osage was named John Ramsey. Thei s the name of the father of the murdered Boulder child JonBenet Ramsey. I think that some AIM person/s killed JonBenet and chose this family because the father's name was symbolic in their anti-FBI delusional system. If you compare Churchill's propaganda to the ransom note it is all the same themes. I think some AIM radical write this ransom note. The JonBenet ransom note is from "a small foreign faction." Colorado AIM is called a faction because they are split from the Minneapolis branch. The ransom note is extremely long and brutal. The author likes writing down his vicious beliefs so he can hurt John Ramsey. The writer says he is smarter than the police and FBI. The author is against America. The author, a person who kills little children in the cellar, even uses the "scholarly" conjunctive adverb "hence." Ward Churchill uses the word "hence" a lot. The author of the ransom note uses parallel structures to hammer home his most brutal points and so does Churchill: Ransom note: "she dies...she dies...she dies...she dies" Churchill's Roosting Chickens: "when you push people around, some people push back." As they should. As they must. And as they undoubtedly will. There is justice in such symmetry." The ransom note is signed "Victory! S.B.T.C. The Internet company for Mount Rushmore is AIM bombed Mount Rushmore Visitor Center in the 1970s. The monument at Mount Rushmore is a red flag for AIM. Like the name John Ramsey, Mount Rushmore Monument is very symbolic for AIM as a focus of their hatred. I knew all this for a few years but nobody would listen, and I was reluctant to look like some nut who was solving the Ramsey murder on the Internet. I put my research away, but now that Ward Churchill is in the news and is shown to be a plagiarist who is so cruel and vicious, I need to speak up. I have all kinds of documentation about how AIM activists influenced and manipulated websites, newspapers and radio to advance their anti-government and anti FBI agenda after JonBenet Ramsey was murdered. I am not the least bit crazy. I have a degree in Soviet Studies and know how to research propaganda and disinformation operations. This is very complicated so I only gave you the bare bones. I don't expect you to just buy into this instantly. It took me years. Here are some links to posts I have posted on Free Republic. This is all a really complicated propaganda attack on the government. In my opinion, the poor little girl's death was just to start the ball rolling on the lie that the government was covering up a powerful ring of pedophiles. You can pull this thread if you are afraid of Ward Churchill and Lee Hill coming after you. Maybe they will. Communists often use slander and libel laws to silence their enemies. In the former USSR, this law was called "anti soviet agitation and propaganda." It means telling the truth about what the communists are doing. Ward Churchill is the real slanderer. He has denounced the US government, the FBI and CIA as terrorists and and the Americans murdered as Eichmans. He slanders all of us. I have lots of evidence that suggests that AIM activists were involved in the terrorist murder of the little JonBenet Ramsey."

 

[Camper]

" Now here is the thing that blew me away in the Osage Indian Murders FBI file. The actual hired killer of the Osage was named John Ramsey.

IF the John Ramsey is noted/known as the killer of the Indians at Pine Ridge, where is HE now?

Now then another quote from SuperDaves post in part.

"The ransom note is signed "Victory! S.B.T.C. The Internet company for Mount Rushmore is AIM bombed Mount Rushmore Visitor Center in the 1970s.

Your sentence is sorta incomplete are you saying that SBTC is the internet company for Mount Rushmore?
Think something got accidentally left out of the quoted part here. Help us out.

My eyeballs are bouncing, wish you could post in paragraphs, I am olde and suffering from eye strain. Just started writing my life story yesterday. Intense.

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[BBB167893]

IF the John Ramsey is noted/known as the killer of the Indians at Pine Ridge, where is HE now?

Now then another quote from SuperDaves post in part.

"The ransom note is signed "Victory! S.B.T.C. The Internet company for Mount Rushmore is AIM bombed Mount Rushmore Visitor Center in the 1970s.

Your sentence is sorta incomplete are you saying that SBTC is the internet company for Mount Rushmore?
Think something got accidentally left out of the quoted part here. Help us out.

My eyeballs are bouncing, wish you could post in paragraphs, I am olde and suffering from eye strain. Just started writing my life story yesterday. Intense.

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It was incomplete. One of their sites was www.sbtc.com or something like that.

 

[Camper]

Just ran through Yahoo and searched, found this

http://www.sbtc.com.au/abl/newsbtc.nsf/all/FAEC5C4E0F5262AE4A256E4B001A694E?OpenDocument

Hirky web site, does not tell anything about WHAT they do. I am guessing the site is funneled through various carriers, I am not a computer geek, I just write and seach stuff, so am good at that.

Hmmm

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[Britt]

'...small foreign faction..." is a small cell.

Small Boulder Terrorist Cell ?

 

[BBB167893]

If I can find the whole thing, we'll settle this.

To be honest, I just thought it was bizarre.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

John Douglas wrote a book called "The Anatomy of Motive", this is still packed away as well.

In a nut shell IF the motive of 'a' murder can be found, the murder can be solved, well, duh.

JonBenet visited the school nurse two Mondays in a row the first two weeks of December. WE don't know why.

Hmmm:, Camper, I'm not sure about initial motive - that eludes to pre-med IMO; however, the 'display' inidicates a pre-med scenario, imo, and I feel the reason was anxiety, holiday tension, anger, substance intake, depression, temper, acute irritation, alcohol, tension, complete impatience, bi-polar tendencies and ... sadly, image and publicity awareness.

JMHO

 

[leann coburn]

Ward Churchill is a disgrace to America. He and his type are the same people who blew up things during the sixties. The hippies were peaceful, but then came violence on the scene in the summer of love, 1969. It came to a crashing halt with the Manson family killings. There was sure to be a dark side to some of these people when lsd contains natural speed and many people were taking it with actual speed. This causes aggitation and violence. So then these "different" hippies became something else and many of them infiltrated our college campuses as professors. There they carried on their secret agendas by trying to convert the young to their way of thinking. IMO, there is nothing worse than an ANGRY old hippie that hates the system and the status quo.

So I don't find anything that people involved in AIM might do as surprising. They started off angry and drug-dilluted in the sixties and they are still angry. To stoop to plagarism is the lowest form of life for any writer. If he did these kind of things, you can rest assured that his students were under enormous pressure to believe (accept) what he taught. I have found that professors are very good at this, considering that they grade your tests depending on if you are willing to repeat what you were taught in class. And they judge your written assignments not by how well you write or research a paper. Rather, these type professors grade such papers on how they think of the opinions you express.

Either way, God is watching. We're all on a moving conveyor belt and none of us ever knows for sure just where we are on this belt. Just like the earth, we are constantly changing. One way or the other, justice WILL be done, of that I am sure.

jmo (and bless JonBenet. such a tiny little snow angel.)

 

[sissi]

We've covered this entire Ward Churchill SBTC, John Ramsey "stuff" before. It is no doubt interesting, however in a few days it starts to "weigh ya' down", because it goes nowhere. Perhaps someone who was aware of this information used it in their creation of the ransom note, along with the movie lines and other garbage. We are creatures of our experiences, perhaps he was in one of Churchill's classes. We know Wolf had a Santa class connection, can someone find out if he had a Churchill connection ,as well?

This crime shows so much rage, I can't think the person who killed her was sober and sane. Does this mean revenge against "John Ramsey" became revenge against this John Ramsey?

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache...d+churchill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8

 

[BBB167893]

We've covered this entire Ward Churchill SBTC, John Ramsey "stuff" before. It is no doubt interesting, however in a few days it starts to "weigh ya' down", because it goes nowhere. Perhaps someone who was aware of this information used it in their creation of the ransom note, along with the movie lines and other garbage. We are creatures of our experiences, perhaps he was in one of Churchill's classes. We know Wolf had a Santa class connection, can someone find out if he had a Churchill connection ,as well?

This crime shows so much rage, I can't think the person who killed her was sober and sane. Does this mean revenge against "John Ramsey" became revenge against this John Ramsey?

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache...d+churchill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8

Wouldn't it be great if he went away for it? Ahh, a guy can dream.

We agree that there was rage, sissi. And I think the person was both mentally unbalanced, stressed beyond endurance and likely had a few in them.

 

[Camper]

Wouldn't it be great if he went away for it? Ahh, a guy can dream.

We agree that there was rage, sissi. And I think the person was both mentally unbalanced, stressed beyond endurance and likely had a few in them.

Your link donut work SD, click and part page comes up saying WC killed jbr, and then it dumps me out ASAP.

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[BBB167893]

I'll check again and get back to you.

 

[rashomon]

This crime shows so much rage, I can't think the person who killed her was sober and sane.

I too am convinced that this was originally a rage killing. Maybe Patsy was the one who wasn't sober and sane when she bashed JB's head in?