Why will Dede not take polygraph?

[Susanna]

I would take 18 million polys over & over again. If I'm innocent and fail a question, I'd take the whole thing again so that LE knows I'm being cooperative and have nothing to hide. Questioning, statements, polys, whatever it takes to bring Kyron home, I'd be all over it.

That's what makes me so uneasy about TH, why not work every day until you clear your name and steer the investigators towards the real perp? If she was cooperating w/ everything they ask of her, trying desperately to help them find this little boy, then I think LE's opinion of her might be a tad different. JMO

 

[Kat010]

I sure would like some confirmed, firsthand, reliable information in this case.

Where's Kyron?

Totally agree. Notice that there is no quote, no source cited--not even a member of the widely-known Source family.

I don't regard this as MSM or even close. Primewriters is simply one of the plethora of websites that have started up allowing people to become "columnists" with no background--and no editorial oversight.

If the "writer" had provided a source with a link, I'd have looked into it. Right now, it's only poorly-written, unsourced gossip from a bloggy website with writers whose credentials we don't know.

Where's Kyron?

 

[Calliope]

Totally agree. Notice that there is no quote, no source cited--not even a member of the widely-known Source family.

I don't regard this as MSM or even close. Primewriters is simply one of the plethora of websites that have started up allowing people to become "columnists" with no background--and no editorial oversight.

If the "writer" had provided a source with a link, I'd have looked into it. Right now, it's only poorly-written, unsourced gossip from a bloggy website with writers whose credentials we don't know.

Where's Kyron?

bbm

Is it like "Examiner" ?

 

[eyes4crime]

If Dede wants to see how her blood pressure, pulse, respiration, and sweat are measured on a machine, I think she would take a polygraph. How they are measured by a machine while under stress might be another reason. We all have to remember that polygraphs do NOT detect lies or deception. moo mho

However, since LE can tell her whatever they want such as...Dede you 'failed' when she really passed, my question would be why on earth subject yourself to that kind of nonsense? :waitasec: moo

Her family background is LE and she has an attorney - I doubt she has considered taking one for even a minute. moo

 

[Kimster]

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084

Primewriter information is considered speculation on Websleuths. Unless the writer has been verified by Tricia and the Mod Squad, what they post is pure speculation.

I'm going to let this one remain for discussion because it isn't really started up any new wild rumor or anything, but please know it will not be considered a fact in this case.

 

[IBsleuthin]

i would take 18 million polys over & over again. if i'm innocent and fail a question, i'd take the whole thing again so that le knows i'm being cooperative and have nothing to hide. Questioning, statements, polys, whatever it takes to bring kyron home, i'd be all over it.

That's what makes me so uneasy about th, why not work every day until you clear your name and steer the investigators towards the real perp? If she was cooperating w/ everything they ask of her, trying desperately to help them find this little boy, then i think le's opinion of her might be a tad different. Jmo

Isn't that what Terri Horman did?????

 

[Susanna]

Isn't that what Terri Horman did?????

Kaine: "[Terri] fully cooperated and took the first polygraph then subsequently vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house. A few days later she cooperated and went to take a second polygraph test but got up and walked out before the machine portion of the test could be administered... again by her own statement to family, friends, and law enforcement at the house ...She continually pushed back and refused to repeat the second test for several days (approx. 8-10) before going to take the test and then once again coming back to the house and venting to all listeners."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html

That's so not cooperating, and even though I think most people would agree that the prudent thing to do would be to listen to your lawyer and zip it, there's a missing boy who needs to come home. I would trash every last shred of my reputation, let people think what they want, but I would do whatever it took to make darn sure LE knows I didn't do it, and they need to focus on whoever did. I'd do everything I possibly could to bring Kyron home!

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I sure would like some confirmed, firsthand, reliable information in this case.

Where's Kyron?

as usual beane,you're right.:bowdown: and i would bet dollars to donuts that dd didn't take one. her father probably would have slapped her silly if she had. jmo of course.

 

[GrainneDhu]

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084

This article claims she has refused to take 1. I am torn on this, because I know that they are not totally reliable. However this will confirm her guilt more in people's eyes.

I think DDS is a smart woman who has a lawyer and is following her lawyer's advice.

Polygraphs are junk. I would never advise anyone I know to take one, no matter what the conditions. Yes, up to and including the disappearance of a small child.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Kaine: "[Terri] fully cooperated and took the first polygraph then subsequently vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house. A few days later she cooperated and went to take a second polygraph test but got up and walked out before the machine portion of the test could be administered... again by her own statement to family, friends, and law enforcement at the house ...She continually pushed back and refused to repeat the second test for several days (approx. 8-10) before going to take the test and then once again coming back to the house and venting to all listeners."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html

That's so not cooperating, and even though I think most people would agree that the prudent thing to do would be to listen to your lawyer and zip it, there's a missing boy who needs to come home. I would trash every last shred of my reputation, let people think what they want, but I would do whatever it took to make darn sure LE knows I didn't do it, and they need to focus on whoever did. I'd do everything I possibly could to bring Kyron home!

ACCORDING TO KAINE. 'nuff said.

 

[Melanie]

Cuz she'd fail :crazy: Oh wait, she did fail the first test, then wouldn't go back (if I recall).

MOO

Mel

 

[Leila]

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084

This article claims she has refused to take 1. I am torn on this, because I know that they are not totally reliable. However this will confirm her guilt more in people's eyes.

The public perception is that anyone who refuses a polygraph is hiding something.

When the Anthony family, George, Cindy, and Lee, all refused a polygraph, it immediately raised suspicion.

When Mark Klaas asked LE to please give him a polygraph so they could get on with searching for Polly's kidnapper, everyone knew he was innocent.

I admit that I'm suspicious of anyone who's refuses a polygraph, especially after they've been characterized by LE and others as not being cooperative.

 

[2goldfish]

The public perception is that anyone who refuses a polygraph is hiding something.

When the Anthony family, George, Cindy, and Lee, all refused a polygraph, it immediately raised suspicion.

When Mark Klaas asked LE to please give him a polygraph so they could get on with searching for Polly's kidnapper, everyone knew he was innocent.

I admit that I'm suspicious of anyone who's refuses a polygraph, especially after they've been characterized by LE and others as not being cooperative.

because this attitude terrifies innocent people into doing things that wont necessarily be good for them.

please be aware I dont intend to attack you or your view in any way! I struggle with it myself when I hear someone refused a poly because most people will submit. but intellectually I know they are doing the right thing to refuse - even if for the wrong reason.

 

[Jade2010]

I would take 18 million polys over & over again. If I'm innocent and fail a question, I'd take the whole thing again so that LE knows I'm being cooperative and have nothing to hide. Questioning, statements, polys, whatever it takes to bring Kyron home, I'd be all over it.

That's what makes me so uneasy about TH, why not work every day until you clear your name and steer the investigators towards the real perp? If she was cooperating w/ everything they ask of her, trying desperately to help them find this little boy, then I think LE's opinion of her might be a tad different. JMO

I was going to ask if there was a limit to how many you would take but I see now as I quoted this you said 18,000,000. Got it!

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe Dede has knowledge of the alleged murder plot against Kaine. I can see two women talking about that together, although not a crime against a child. I just watched an old "Snapped" episode, with Shawna Nelson in Colorado, who killed her lover's wife, and had talked about how to do it with her best friend Michelle Moore. Michelle eventually made a deal for no more than 9 years to testify against Shawna. Reminded me of Dede and Terri possibly plotting against Kaine.

She may want to be sure she is protected against that, and then agree to offer any testismony as to what Terri talked about while she stayed with her, her frame of mind, anything incriminating, etc...She might be asked about the murder plot on a LD so she does not want to take it.

 

[Leila]

because this attitude terrifies innocent people into doing things that wont necessarily be good for them.

please be aware I dont intend to attack you or your view in any way! I struggle with it myself when I hear someone refused a poly because most people will submit. but intellectually I know they are doing the right thing to refuse - even if for the wrong reason.

I think a lot has to do with a given situation. If a person in a high profile case has already acted suspicious and then refuses a polygraph, people tend to be even more suspicious.

 

[BeanE]

This reads as an opinion piece or a blog rather than a true media source.

Do we have any other sources making this claim?

It is a blog. I love the part where it says it's written by stay at home moms and dads.

I haven't seen this reported anywhere. Has anyone else?

 

[akashana]

I know a lot of people assume guilt if somebody refuses to take polygraphs, but I really can't fault her on this decision. Not meaning to sound cold or callous, but she could further enmesh herself in this case that appears to rapidly be heading south if she does so. I am speaking from a civil libertarian point right now, not as a child advocate. i want Kyron home safe just as much as all of you, but with each passing day that hope dwindles. I think that if TH or DDS could produce a live Kyron from some magical hat they would have already done so, and that it does not bode well for him that they haven't. I also feel that they are being deceptive about some aspects of this case, but I am just not sure which ones yet. I hate to paint with such a broad brush, and it's entirely possible that DDS could have been duped into helping TH before she knew the entire breadth and scope of the situation. Without knowing what info/facts LE knows, it's a hard call to make on any alleged guilt.

Many years ago I agreed to take a lie detector test as an innocent party to clear my name in a case that involved my then-roommate, a girl who looked remarkably like me and also bartended at the same bar on occasion and was accused of selling a bag of weed to an undercover cop. Kelly's eyes are blue and mine are brown, but we had similar physiques and short dark curly hair. They couldn't figure out which one of us had done it. It wasn't me and I agreed to take the test, altho i was scared to death. I knew Kelly was selling weed but had no intention of ratting her out, and it would have simply degenerated into an "I said/she said" situation if I had. The undercover cop wasn't even sure. So I took the test and it was inconclusive, which only amped up the pressure on me, and I didn't do it. Eventually it all was dropped, because they couldn't prove which of us it was, and it obviously couldn't have been both of us. But it made me extremely leery of ever taking a lie detector test ever again, because no matter that I was innocent of the charge, the test failed to exonerate me. Kelly was a bit more legally savvy and refused the test entirely, so all I did by taking it was to further muddle the waters. And the DA made me pay the $250 fee for the test to his brother-in-law who administered it. Back in 1983, that was a big chunk of change for a lowly bartender to have to pay! So based on my own personal experience, I really can't fault her for not taking it. Kyron isn't her child or a relative at all. That sounds bad, I realize. But we are talking about this woman's life and liberty here.

 

[LadyL]

I don't think I would ever take a polygraph either. I'm one of those "guilty feeling" people. I feel guilt about stuff that I had nothing to do with but I just feel bad about. Does that make sense? If you gave me one right now about Kyron, I'd probably fail and I have no connection to this case other than my interest in it.

If, God Forbid, I was ever in a position to need to take one, I'd probably really want to do it, but I would be so convinced that I would fail (for reasons stated above) that it would probably be in my best interest to not do it.

I agree that she has probably been advised against it, though.

I don't think so because your pulse wouldn't race on questions like "did you ever physically hurt Kyron?" any moreso than when you first sat down.

Does that make sense? It's physiological - not mental.

Yes, you'd be nervous but your nervousness wouldn't get any worse when they start asking questions about a crime you didn't commit.

I know what you mean though. I'm one of those people that gets agitated just seeing a copcar behind me, even when I'm not speeding. I breathe a big sigh of relief when they turn off even though I haven't done anything wrong.

 

[BeanE]

Looks like it came from Nancy Grace... She doesn't say where she got it...


GRACE: You know, the other thing, now we learn that the best friend Dede Spicher refuses to take a polygraph.

Why, Jensen? Why? Even if I was afraid I`d flunk it because I was nervous and whatever -- although we know that everybody is nervous when you take a polygraph, everybody. Even if you`re telling the truth. That does not affect a polygraph just being nervous.

She refuses a polygraph. Why?

JENSEN: I`m sure that her attorney has told her don`t cooperate with the police in that kind of a thing. Don`t take a polygraph. It`s just going to make you look that much worse.

So she has an attorney. She knows that they`re looking at her. Everybody in the community knows.

GRACE: Why would a polygraph make her look that much worse, CW? I don`t agree. I mean, yes, you`re saying that`s what the lawyer said. But to me your willingness to take a polygraph would show you have nothing to hide.

JENSEN: Well, I think that if people have nothing to hide, in my experience as an investigator, they take polygraphs. There`s one reason why you don`t want to take it. It`s because you think you`re going to look bad.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/20/ng.01.html