Why would the Ramseys need to stage?

[RTC]

I can almost agree with no chronic sexual molestation before the eve of death......
but that does not rule out chronic physical abuse around her genital areas. Maybe the abuse was not for sexual gratification but for sadistic satisfaction. Tough punishment for making Mommy work so hard. I keep reading that PR took JB to Dr several times in December for vaginitis. There are many ways to get vaginitis other than a sexual encounter.Since it has been stated that JB had not had intercourse and that if she was sexually molested it would have been digital, I ask myself can digital penetration really result in all the vaginitis? Probably not.More likely that her diet was poor and her hygiene was very poor thus resulting in vaginitis. it is disgusting the Patsy cant remember JB last bath. in fact she cant remember anything that would help the investigation. Maybe the reason she cant remember is because she self medicated herself often. who cares if the kids get a bath, who cares if they eat sugar all day long........prescription anti anxiety drugs and alcohol is often a lethal combo.

 

[Tadpole12]

I can almost agree with no chronic sexual molestation before the eve of death......
but that does not rule out chronic physical abuse around her genital areas. Maybe the abuse was not for sexual gratification but for sadistic satisfaction. Tough punishment for making Mommy work so hard. I keep reading that PR took JB to Dr several times in December for vaginitis. There are many ways to get vaginitis other than a sexual encounter.Since it has been stated that JB had not had intercourse and that if she was sexually molested it would have been digital, I ask myself can digital penetration really result in all the vaginitis? Probably not.More likely that her diet was poor and her hygiene was very poor thus resulting in vaginitis. it is disgusting the Patsy cant remember JB last bath. in fact she cant remember anything that would help the investigation. Maybe the reason she cant remember is because she self medicated herself often. who cares if the kids get a bath, who cares if they eat sugar all day long........prescription anti anxiety drugs and alcohol is often a lethal combo.

Hiya RTC.

digital penetration, has been included with the other causes you mentioned. Candida under figernails.

 

[RTC]

Eww so if the molester is tied to the vaginitis we are looking for someone with a nail fungus. Nail fungus tends to hang around for a while. Probably more common in women with acrylic nails.

 

[Tadpole12]

Eww so if the molester is tied to the vaginitis we are looking for someone with a nail fungus. Nail fungus tends to hang around for a while. Probably more common in women with acrylic nails.

candida under fingermails, relates more to male partners, in hetero relationship.
People 'carry', yeast, bacteria, etc under their natural finger nails.
Safe sex practice, wear gloves.

 

[DeeDee249]

candida under fingermails, relates more to male partners, in hetero relationship.
People 'carry', yeast, bacteria, etc under their natural finger nails.
Safe sex practice, wear gloves.

Not necessarily. The yeast in the vaginal canal is also present in women who have NO sexual partners and do not have fake nails. It is the OVERgrowth that causes the discomfort. I am heterosexual, (though sex does annoy me) and I've had some kind of nail covering on my nails (wraps, tips, LCN, Solarnail, acrylic etc.) for over 30 years and I have never had a fungal infection- under my nails or anywhere else.

It has never been stated that JB's vaginitis was, in fact, a yeast infection. Vaginitis is a term that is used to describe ANY vaginal inflammation. (that's the "itis" part of the word- when that is used, it means inflammation)

 

[Peepers]

I had to pick "Other" because "covering for son" was not an option.

 

[Toltec]

Lets get this straight...HOTYH knows for certain the Ramseys had no pedophile friends. He knows for certain that JonBenet was not sexually abused prior to her murder.

I wonder who this HOTYH is...given he has "insider" information.

 

[UKGuy]

Lets get this straight...HOTYH knows for certain the Ramseys had no pedophile friends. He knows for certain that JonBenet was not sexually abused prior to her murder.

I wonder who this HOTYH is...given he has "insider" information.

Toltec,

Wow ! He actually knows that much.


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[BBB167893]

Lets get this straight...HOTYH knows for certain the Ramseys had no pedophile friends. He knows for certain that JonBenet was not sexually abused prior to her murder.

I wonder who this HOTYH is...given he has "insider" information.

LOL! That's a good joke!

 

[celticthyme]

Like some others up thread, my gut response was "Because one of them killed her." Practically though, no one wants to go to prison, and they considered themselves entitled. Appearances were everything to them. JonBenet was merely an object to Patsy, someone who could be molded, and steered toward a life of Looking "beautiful and glamorous" to the public. I think their sexualizing of her was such a part of how they thought, they did not even realize how outrageous all the makeup, scanty outfits,dyed hair, and enormous amounts of money being spent, really was. The staging served several purposes, the first being to cover up what they had done and second to point to anyone and anything away from themselves

 

[UKGuy]

Like some others up thread, my gut response was "Because one of them killed her." Practically though, no one wants to go to prison, and they considered themselves entitled. Appearances were everything to them. JonBenet was merely an object to Patsy, someone who could be molded, and steered toward a life of Looking "beautiful and glamorous" to the public. I think their sexualizing of her was such a part of how they thought, they did not even realize how outrageous all the makeup, scanty outfits,dyed hair, and enormous amounts of money being spent, really was. The staging served several purposes, the first being to cover up what they had done and second to point to anyone and anything away from themselves

celticthyme,
ITA. I would since I'm a dyed in the wool RDI, I shoot IDI on sight, four square between the eyes, LOL.

For the record, it is the absolute intellectual bankrupcy of the IDI stance that annoys me!

For those that know, the few who follow the JonBenet case seriously, the staging represents something other than its obvious presentation.

The staging is the clue to who did it and why, think about it like a Columbo Movie, where the murder plays out in front of your eyes, then Columbo appears, asks a few questions, hey presto, your guilty, LOL!

And the person Columbo wishes to talk to, e.g. Could I ask one more question Ma'am? is Patsy's sister Pamela.

And the question might be a variant of, Did you know who was abusing JonBenet?

Answers on a postcard , please, to Burke Ramsey, since I believe the case will be solved, and Burke is the best person to assist here.


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[Flatlander]

There was no uncertainty about the blood/semen issue as far as Mayer was concerned. It was Arndt who falsely suggested that the smears on her thighs and pubic area that showed up under black light exam "could have been semen". She reported that back to her superiors before Mayer had even tested the swabs. This is exactly how so much misinformation gets out there and I STILL see it repeated that semen was found. The blood found INSIDE her vagina was never mistaken for semen, nor was it ever thought to BE semen. It was reported by Mayer as blood, which when seen in situ LOOKS like blood and does not look like semen. As for the external area that was wiped- it was the dark (blue?) fibers found there that led Mayer to conclude that "the area is consistent with having been wiped by a cloth" (his words). The reason the black light (fluoroscope testing) was done in that area was because of that, beside it is standard procedure in cases of suspected sexual assault.

DeeDee249, Weren't those fibers found to come from the comforter found in JAR's suitcase which was covered with his semen? If this is the case I have always wondered why so many pointers to JAR. The comforter, the sack under his bed containing rope = his dust ruffle lifted a little to show that it was taken from there. The drawers in his bathroom left open. And oddly the Dr. Suess book in his suitcase that was said he took to and from college???
Why the book?

And then JR lawyering up for his children from a previous marriage that were supposedly in another state all together when this happened. Melinda's palm print found on the door near the bottom = odd place (considering the nature and placement of the crime) but what about LHP when she took out the Christmas trees = none of her hand prints found or at least mentioned. Did somebody wipe the cellar door down as well?

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249, Weren't those fibers found to come from the comforter found in JAR's suitcase which was covered with his semen? If this is the case I have always wondered why so many pointers to JAR. The comforter, the sack under his bed containing rope = his dust ruffle lifted a little to show that it was taken from there. The drawers in his bathroom left open. And oddly the Dr. Suess book in his suitcase that was said he took to and from college???
Why the book?

And then JR lawyering up for his children from a previous marriage that were supposedly in another state all together when this happened. Melinda's palm print found on the door near the bottom = odd place (considering the nature and placement of the crime) but what about LHP when she took out the Christmas trees = none of her hand prints found or at least mentioned. Did somebody wipe the cellar door down as well?

I haven't seen those fibers sourced to that comforter, but that would surely make that comforter and suitcase it was hidden in part if the crime. Other possibilities are a dark navy terry bathrobe belonging to JR and found in a very unlikely place- the den.
Unfortunately, though the semen was sourced to JAR, there is no way to prove it was deposited that day or had anything to do with the crime, despite how obvious it seems that it did. The book has always been suspicious to me. A semen-stained comforter belonging to a college boy is not suspicious in itself. But the book in the suitcase IS suspicious no matter how you look at it. Put them in that suitcase together and it looks like a "child molestation kit".
As far as the handprint- there is no way to prove when it was left. Obviously there were times when Melinda was in the house, though her handprint on a basement door is odd. And yes, you would expect to find a print from LHP or her husband (who removed Christmas trees and decorations from the wineceller) yet there were none as far as we know. I don't think the door was wiped- or Melinda's print wouldn't have been there.

 

[Flatlander]

I haven't seen those fibers sourced to that comforter, but that would surely make that comforter and suitcase it was hidden in part if the crime. Other possibilities are a dark navy terry bathrobe belonging to JR and found in a very unlikely place- the den.
Unfortunately, though the semen was sourced to JAR, there is no way to prove it was deposited that day or had anything to do with the crime, despite how obvious it seems that it did. The book has always been suspicious to me. A semen-stained comforter belonging to a college boy is not suspicious in itself. But the book in the suitcase IS suspicious no matter how you look at it. Put them in that suitcase together and it looks like a "child molestation kit".
As far as the handprint- there is no way to prove when it was left. Obviously there were times when Melinda was in the house, though her handprint on a basement door is odd. And yes, you would expect to find a print from LHP or her husband (who removed Christmas trees and decorations from the wineceller) yet there were none as far as we know. I don't think the door was wiped- or Melinda's print wouldn't have been there.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. I could have sworn the dark blue fibers had come from the comforter but the bathrobe certainly is interesting to say the least. PR said he was in the shower and when she called him he was in his underwear reading the RN on the floor. But thinking upon it JR couldn't have gone to bed when he said because his shirt fibers were found in JB panties. I wonder how they decided to pick Melinda's palm print out of all the prints on that door?

Oh, how I wish we can one piece of concrete evidence other than PR and JR's fibers linked to the coverup.

 

[Flatlander]

If you take each piece individually, maybe. Not when you put it all together. Like I've said many times, there is not one single piece of evidence that proves the Ramseys did this. It's the combination of EVERYTHING.

Sorry Dave I didn't take the poll because I would have choosen all the above.

What about PR fibers found in the paint tray and ligature and JR fibers from his shirt in JB panties. Is that not single evidence of a least a cover up? I will agree with the combination of everything as a tell all PROOF of RDI.

 

[brit1981]

Could the fibres have got there from being next to each other in the laundry pile or something like that? They should have tested all of her clothes in her cupboards to see what fibres and DNA were on them for comparision, did they ever do that? If the material on the underwear she was wearing had fibres and DNA on them which were not present on her other clothes in her room, then it would perhaps indicate that material got there as a result of the crime.

 

[UKGuy]

Could the fibres have got there from being next to each other in the laundry pile or something like that? They should have tested all of her clothes in her cupboards to see what fibres and DNA were on them for comparision, did they ever do that? If the material on the underwear she was wearing had fibres and DNA on them which were not present on her other clothes in her room, then it would perhaps indicate that material got there as a result of the crime.

brit1981,
The fibers on jonBenet's underwear were deposited on brand new underwear, right out of the box. Transfer to other garments or clothing should not be an issue, unless you are on trial of course?

The fibers found on JonBenet link the parents with the crime-scene, including those in the paint-tote etc, the touch dna links with nobody, so who do you think should answer any questions?


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[DeeDee249]

Could the fibres have got there from being next to each other in the laundry pile or something like that? They should have tested all of her clothes in her cupboards to see what fibres and DNA were on them for comparision, did they ever do that? If the material on the underwear she was wearing had fibres and DNA on them which were not present on her other clothes in her room, then it would perhaps indicate that material got there as a result of the crime.

JB's panties were brand-new, right out of the package and had never been laundered. All this background info is available on here: http://www.acandyrose.com

 

[Flatlander]

I have a question. Did LHP state that JB's red turtleneck sweater was found in the bathroom sink in water during the GJ?

I do believe ST stated that the red sweater was balled up on the bathroom counter in his book or was that "PR's" statement? Was it indeed found there? Then that would lead me to wonder if there was urine found on the sweater.

What did JB actually wear to the White's Christmas party 12/25/96? The sweater or the white shirt with the silver star on it? Maybe this is one of the reason's FW got so mad @ JR. OR, maybe PR was mad at JB before they ever left for to the White's (for staining the sweater)? Just wondering about that one fact, if you could help please. DeeDee 249 I know you are full of knowledge.

Sorry if I got off track here. Got a new job and working 52 hours a week. So don't have time to read all post's. One day off in 6. But still I was wondering about this one piece of evidence.

 

[DeeDee249]

I have a question. Did LHP state that JB's red turtleneck sweater was found in the bathroom sink in water during the GJ?

I do believe ST stated that the red sweater was balled up on the bathroom counter in his book or was that "PR's" statement? Was it indeed found there? Then that would lead me to wonder if there was urine found on the sweater.

What did JB actually wear to the White's Christmas party 12/25/96? The sweater or the white shirt with the silver star on it? Maybe this is one of the reason's FW got so mad @ JR. OR, maybe PR was mad at JB before they ever left for to the White's (for staining the sweater)? Just wondering about that one fact, if you could help please. DeeDee 249 I know you are full of knowledge.

Sorry if I got off track here. Got a new job and working 52 hours a week. So don't have time to read all post's. One day off in 6. But still I was wondering about this one piece of evidence.

Police had photos taken at the White's party, They KNOW what JB wore and the photos prove it.JB wore the WHITE shirt with silver sequin star and her black velvet pants and vest. In other words, she wore the same shirt to the party that she was found dead in. Wether she wore anything in between her arrival home and being placed dead in the wineceller is not know. Possibilities are that she wore that same white shirt the whole time, or when she got home she changed into the red shirt, the pink nightie, or some garment unknown.