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It was SANTA!!! :floorlaugh:
GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #2
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It was SANTA!!! :floorlaugh:
Omg, you!!!!! :floorlaugh:
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Good point about the 10 year old being the cut off Blue. I had forgotten the age was not 12 but 10 for which attempted murder when charges are by law required to be filed in adult court.
Hey, come on let's be honest, who hasn't dabbled in a little satanism here and thereI read the satanic bible when I was a kid, it's actually not all blood sacrifices and howling at the moon, the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth are actually somewhat sensible:
- Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
- Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
- When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
- If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
- Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
- Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
- Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
- Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
- Do not harm little children.
- Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
- When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
http://www.churchofsatan.com/eleven-rules-of-earth.php
Anyway in this case I very much doubt it .. there is a huge difference between Satanism and loving a halloween and enjoying some of the goth arts .. Satanism is just so 80's for the generation coming up now.
Yep, in my early teens I read every book I could get my hands on that was occult related. I still love the "spooky" side of life
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I'm not at all convinced that Slenderman, Satanism, Santa or Justin Bieber 
were the reasons that these two girls decided to plot and try to kill their friend, or why any other person decides to harm another.
Slenderman was an excuse for what they wanted to do...as for WHY they wanted to do that, well I leave that to the forensic psych people. That's what they're trained to find out.
All the trolls on the webz and all the fan fiction in the world did not make these girls do this. THEY decided to plot, including speaking in code to discuss what they were planning, and carry out their awful plan. IMVHO the blame lies squarely on their shoulders.
"and then stabby, stab, stab". These are not the words of a child that is deluded by a story, these are the words of a child who made the decision to try to kill her friend.
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were the reasons that these two girls decided to plot and try to kill their friend, or why any other person decides to harm another. Slenderman was an excuse for what they wanted to do...as for WHY they wanted to do that, well I leave that to the forensic psych people. That's what they're trained to find out.
All the trolls on the webz and all the fan fiction in the world did not make these girls do this. THEY decided to plot, including speaking in code to discuss what they were planning, and carry out their awful plan. IMVHO the blame lies squarely on their shoulders.
"and then stabby, stab, stab". These are not the words of a child that is deluded by a story, these are the words of a child who made the decision to try to kill her friend.
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The "stabby stab" thing reminds me of Dancey Dance time on Yo Gabba Gabba. :-O
I'm not at all convinced that Slenderman, Satanism, Santa or Justin Bieber
Slenderman was an excuse for what they wanted to do...as for WHY they wanted to do that, well I leave that to the forensic psych people. That's what they're trained to find out.
All the trolls on the webz and all the fan fiction in the world did not make these girls do this. THEY decided to plot, including speaking in code to discuss what they were planning, and carry out their awful plan. IMVHO the blame lies squarely on their shoulders.
"and then stabby, stab, stab". These are not the words of a child that is deluded by a story, these are the words of a child who made the decision to try to kill her friend.
:truce:
ALWAYS MOO
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I don't know what that is, but I'll so take your word for it.
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I googled and now I'm more afraid. Is this still a thing? Or is the fad over? Or will it be by the time my kid gets here?
anic: :scared: 
It's a kids show, definitely YouTube it, lol. It's weird.
I don't know what that is, but I'll so take your word for it.
I don't understand why the question of what, if anything, might have influenced the girls to stab their friend is so consistently taken as somehow giving them "an excuse"...
Even if there -was- an influence, it doesn't absolve them from the fact they did the crime. They're not of extremely low IQ, they weren't given mind-altering drugs, and yes they did plot it all carefully -- no excuse at all for what they did. Unless MG is actually declared not mentally competent in her assessment, which is a possibility (though a dim one, IMO).
But IF they were paying too much attention to the trolls who *do exist* on the Slendy sites, and *do* encourage people to accept Slenderman as real, and the idea of proxies as real (and possibly, the idea of murder as a way to become a proxy as 'real'), I believe it would offer only insight into how AW and MG justified to themselves their desire to get rid of an unwanted friend, rather than give them an excuse.
And certainly, not ONE poster here has said "they had an excuse".
Even if there -was- an influence, it doesn't absolve them from the fact they did the crime. They're not of extremely low IQ, they weren't given mind-altering drugs, and yes they did plot it all carefully -- no excuse at all for what they did. Unless MG is actually declared not mentally competent in her assessment, which is a possibility (though a dim one, IMO).
But IF they were paying too much attention to the trolls who *do exist* on the Slendy sites, and *do* encourage people to accept Slenderman as real, and the idea of proxies as real (and possibly, the idea of murder as a way to become a proxy as 'real'), I believe it would offer only insight into how AW and MG justified to themselves their desire to get rid of an unwanted friend, rather than give them an excuse.
And certainly, not ONE poster here has said "they had an excuse".
I totally agree. If we don't try to figure out the "whys" and what influences people to commit crimes, we'll never be able to predict and prevent them.
"Why" is so important.
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yes, if there was encouragement from someone specific or just trolls in general I would like to know because to me it could greatly factor into my feeling of whether these girls suffered from diminished capacity.
We have all experienced grown ^$$ people who read something on the internet and simply by the virtue of it being on the internet and being perpetuated by other less than informed people believe with all their hearts that it is true.
So why is are a couple of 12 years olds to know different?
Just a thought.
I am absolutely not making excuses for either girl. I am taking each girl separately and trying very hard to really evaluate whether I feel each is mature enough to be in adult court.
As I said way early in this thread. Each child develops and matures differently. I firmly believe that.
NO MATTER WHAT these girls need serious consequences and jail time for this crime. I just want to make sure that the case against each is evaluated on its own merits and that justice is done ultimately for the victim in this case.
Neither of these girls needs to see freedom for a long while IMO. But how long is determined by which court they are tried in and so yeah, it's big deal to me that they are tried in whichever court is appropriate for each girl.
We have all experienced grown ^$$ people who read something on the internet and simply by the virtue of it being on the internet and being perpetuated by other less than informed people believe with all their hearts that it is true.
So why is are a couple of 12 years olds to know different?
Just a thought.
I am absolutely not making excuses for either girl. I am taking each girl separately and trying very hard to really evaluate whether I feel each is mature enough to be in adult court.
As I said way early in this thread. Each child develops and matures differently. I firmly believe that.
NO MATTER WHAT these girls need serious consequences and jail time for this crime. I just want to make sure that the case against each is evaluated on its own merits and that justice is done ultimately for the victim in this case.
Neither of these girls needs to see freedom for a long while IMO. But how long is determined by which court they are tried in and so yeah, it's big deal to me that they are tried in whichever court is appropriate for each girl.
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It there was someone encouraging these girls, specifically, they should be charged as an accessory for aiding and abetting and encouraging. And I would surely be looking for them if I thought it was the case.
Salem
It there was someone encouraging these girls, specifically, they should be charged as an accessory for aiding and abetting and encouraging. And I would surely be looking for them if I thought it was the case.
Salem
Yes, but that certainly doesn't mean that it couldn't be moved down to juvenile court. I would be surprised if it were in this specific case, but I'm sure that happens a lot for young offenders.
I think she was rehabilitated, because she was a trauma killer. There are documented cases of children killing, because they want others to feel their pain. I think a child like that is more likely to rehabilitated, than a child who has a good home life and just wants to kill someone.
I'm not saying these girls are either, but I don't believe for a second they have a traumatic life like hers.
I also sincerely hope police are looking for the trolls who sent the parents that disgusting letter covered in blood linked upthread..
I wonder if this is the same crowd who were planning to send similar letters to the victims' family. Could be two separate groups, bet they're all from 4chan though.
The 'trolls' theory only has legs in my opinion, because of this, and what I've seen in the comments on many sites, where obviously young members are sent truly weird and scary messages 'from Slenderman'. And then invited into private chat...
It may not have happened in this case, but as I've said, I would not fall off my chair in shock if this was part of it.
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Me too. I just want that decision to be based solely on each child's case merits. If it happens for a lot of offenders I want to feel confident these girls have the same un media biased chance as any without public perception based on scandalous headlines this case is receiving as opposed to those who are equally serious but not the "case Du Jour"
That is just where my head is at the moment.
Thanks for the chance to hash this out respectfully.
I agree.And in this case I don't have a hard time believing at all they did it for Slenderman,with or without trolls.It is a lot harder for me to imagine they did this out of hate or jealousy like in the Skylar case or because they just wanted to know what it feels like,like in the Elizabeth Olten case.12 year olds are still children and still have the ability to believe in a fantasy world.Unfortunately it took a tragic turn in this case IMO
Resistance is futile! I suggest giving in and embracing DJ Lance and the Dancey Dance Bunch. There is wisdom to be gleaned.... "Don't! Don't! Don't bite your friends". Seriously good advice. Plus, the Aquabats and Biz Markee are regulars on the show, I'm sold.
My name is Mrsobrien and I like to dance!
Omg, I've finally lost it.
My name is Mrsobrien and I like to dance!
Omg, I've finally lost it.
I don't know what that is, but I'll so take your word for it.
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I googled and now I'm more afraid. Is this still a thing? Or is the fad over? Or will it be by the time my kid gets here?
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Too late for me to google and try to figure out WTH all that means. I get teh feeling it will interfere with me falling asleep and nope, not gonna do it.
My current stance is almost diametrically opposed to this - I do believe there was a hate/jealousy factor involved in this case just like Skylar's otherwise why choose this particular victim? And I do think there was a certain amount of 'wanna know what it feels like' too given the length of time they'd been planning this and the unbelievably cold indifference of remarks such as "people who trust you are very gullible" "stabby stab stab" etc. Top it off with the cherry of whatever inspirations and influences (direct or indirect - although I strongly lean toward indirect) they took from the Slendyverse and we have a cocktail of motivations and incentives powerful and heady enough to make 2 adolescent girls step right the way over the line into murder IMO.
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