GUILTY WI - 6 dead, 61 injured after car rams into crowd at holiday parade, Waukesha, 21 Nov 2021 *ARREST*

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  • #641
"Opportunistic Mass Thrill Kill". That is chilling. Reading this, very much describes the "Route 66" mass killer in Las Vegas, in 2017.

Could this have actually been premeditated?

Seeing a car as a tool for mass killing is scary. Almost everyone has access to a car. This may be the beginning of something that may become commonplace.
 
  • #642
"Opportunistic Mass Thrill Kill". That is chilling. Reading this, very much describes the "Route 66" mass killer in Las Vegas, in 2017.

Could this have actually been premeditated?

Seeing a car as a tool for mass killing is scary. Almost everyone has access to a car. This may be the beginning of something that may become commonplace.

BIB - It's happened many times in terrorist attacks. (I know this one wasn't) I agree it is frightening.
 
  • #643
What's so crazy is the question of why in these murders.
It was not a 'crash', regardless of what the media says.
Crashing implies an accident and not intentional; imo.

Waukesha parade crash suspect appeared to have no emotion as officers tried to stop him, authorities say - CNN


Husband of Waukesha parade victim learned of her cancer diagnosis after she died: "Maybe God took her so she didn't have to suffer"


But why would someone who seemed to enjoy doing exactly as he pleased, make choices that will put him behind bars maybe for life ?
The end of his freedom.
He had to have known that was a possible consequence of his actions that day ?

Going further back, he should have been denied bail for running over the mother of his child.
A deliberate decision to do that, to aim at someone and run over them -- and less of a sudden 'snapping' ?
Imo.
 
  • #644
He is a mentally ill person who is addicted to meth. IMO we don't need to look any deeper than that. The Crystal Darkness gives great insight as to how meth totally takes over a person. From his interview, I think he's been an addict for many years.

Thanks to the poster who found the documentary

 
  • #645
He is a mentally ill person who is addicted to meth. IMO we don't need to look any deeper than that. The Crystal Darkness gives great insight as to how meth totally takes over a person. From his interview, I think he's been an addict for many years.

Thanks to the poster who found the documentary


Thank you for locating the documentary video.

DB begins at at 9:58. “I didn’t think about, I have this beautiful kid. I thought I would be the greatest dad ever. I am gonna give him everything I didn’t have.”

“Then reality sets in. You actually become the drug. Not even a human being, basically. That’s how I felt. I wasn’t a human anymore. I was just.. something. Something vile, disgusting, despicable. I could go on, I could use a lot of words, but that is what I became.”
 
  • #646
I sometimes have customers in high on meth; I cannot trust them to handle a shopping basket, much less a vehicle.

...I say customers, I'm not sure what the term should be? They typically do not buy anything, with exceptions. It's never not rough- I have one guy who is a regular. He comes in, he buys his magazine, he rambles, he leaves. I know he's on meth and I also know where his tent is, and I have found his court paperwork before for aggravated assault charges. He has a sister, according to the paper, and I wonder about her a lot- does she miss him, does she hate him, does she knew where he is. He's never been aggressive with me, although he makes me nervous, and in his delusional rambles he talks often about wanting to protect my shop from.... something. If he was suddenly on the news for something like this, I would both wonder how and why, and I would also... know exactly WHY. The meth really does just disconnect you from reality.

Mostly it just makes me sad; I have no idea the type of person he would be without it. Even in his delusions he seems to have kindness for me and mine, but I also know he's been violent before. And it's getting cold out- I drive past his tent on the way home, and I wonder about the options he has to get clean and sober (not many, I'd imagine.)

None of it matters for Darrell Brooks. Whoever he was before, he lost the right to sympathy a long time ago. But somehow it would almost be better if he were sober, if he were acting out of hate- there is rationality, however warped and horrible, to someone who acts out of a disregard for race, religion, or class. We can raise our children beyond that, we can share joy and friendship and compassion with our neighbors to do our part to help combat hatred. But what do you do when the mind is poisoned by substance? When the cracks are big enough to let people slip through? When the only cure for the coldness is further abuse?

/jmo and i got a little carried away, whoops.
 
  • #647
I've given some thought to those of us trying to classify this killer.
Was it a race crime? Is he a terrorist?
I've decided, that he is simply a horrific mass murderer.
I'm very certain that if it's allowed, his participation and words mentioned in the aforementioned documentary will be used by the prosecution as well as the defense.
I don't see his drug use as a reason to excuse being a mass murderer.
Lot's of people are addicted to drugs.
Thankfully, they don't commit mass murders as far as I know.
* however, in my opinion, evil people do.
 
  • #648
Drug addiction is not an excuse or justification for criminal behavior
 
  • #649
I sometimes have customers in high on meth; I cannot trust them to handle a shopping basket, much less a vehicle.

...I say customers, I'm not sure what the term should be? They typically do not buy anything, with exceptions. It's never not rough- I have one guy who is a regular. He comes in, he buys his magazine, he rambles, he leaves. I know he's on meth and I also know where his tent is, and I have found his court paperwork before for aggravated assault charges. He has a sister, according to the paper, and I wonder about her a lot- does she miss him, does she hate him, does she knew where he is. He's never been aggressive with me, although he makes me nervous, and in his delusional rambles he talks often about wanting to protect my shop from.... something. If he was suddenly on the news for something like this, I would both wonder how and why, and I would also... know exactly WHY. The meth really does just disconnect you from reality.

Mostly it just makes me sad; I have no idea the type of person he would be without it. Even in his delusions he seems to have kindness for me and mine, but I also know he's been violent before. And it's getting cold out- I drive past his tent on the way home, and I wonder about the options he has to get clean and sober (not many, I'd imagine.)

None of it matters for Darrell Brooks. Whoever he was before, he lost the right to sympathy a long time ago. But somehow it would almost be better if he were sober, if he were acting out of hate- there is rationality, however warped and horrible, to someone who acts out of a disregard for race, religion, or class. We can raise our children beyond that, we can share joy and friendship and compassion with our neighbors to do our part to help combat hatred. But what do you do when the mind is poisoned by substance? When the cracks are big enough to let people slip through? When the only cure for the coldness is further abuse?

/jmo and i got a little carried away, whoops.
bbm
A thoughtful and insightful post, thanks.

As far as further abuse, prison is not considered abuse, but meant to rehabilitate.

It's looking like D. Brooks will most likely not benefit from an outpatient drug treatment program.
He has unfortunately receded too far from civilized behavior for this to be of any use to him.

He can however be treated in prison, and he can get help if he so chooses.
I don't think of prison as being abuse, as far as the programs and help offered to the inmates.
There are programs available for his mental health and for his drug addictions; programs designed to reach out without judgment.

But sadly, by D.B's own actions I think he is no longer safe to be allowed to walk freely amongst the rest of society.
Trust must be earned.
It would be unlikely to think he can be reformed and someday able to be released, but again-- imo -- I think it's safer for everyone if he spends the remainder of his days behind bars.
Despite being granted low bail amounts he learned nothing it would seem, and went on to reoffend.
Over and over.

There needs to be justice for the innocent victims as well.
MOO.
 
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  • #650
Too bad the DA did not give Brooks the opportunity to be rehabilitated in the local jail.

Watching the red SUV, reminded me of the scene in Stephen King's book, "Mr. Mercedes". Odd. So many of Stephen King's books are coming true lately.
 
  • #651
Too bad the DA did not give Brooks the opportunity to be rehabilitated in the local jail.

Watching the red SUV, reminded me of the scene in Stephen King's book, "Mr. Mercedes". Odd. So many of Stephen King's books are coming true lately.
bbm
Isn't that the truth.

The most egregious was using his suv to run over the mother of his child. :(
After doing that, how on earth did DB warrant a 'get out of jail' card, practically free ?
Smh.
Imo.
 
  • #652
Was it a race crime? Is he a terrorist?
I've decided, that he is simply a horrific mass murderer.

Thankfully, they don't commit mass murders as far as I know.
* however, in my opinion, evil people do.

Well said.

Though racist sentiments strongly appear to have been a factor in the attack, he does not appear to have been motivated solely by racist ideology ala Roof. Likewise, he does not appear to have a definable racist ideology like the synagogue attacker.

Rather, he appears (as you illustrated) to be a mixture of deep seated aggression / evil behavior, drug addiction, anger and some racist sentiments.
 
  • #653
another really great example of how the community has banded around survivors of the attack - yes Steelers fans the Schobert mentioned in the article is Joe’s dad. I’ve known that family since the late 1990s and am not surprised at all about how helpful and selfless they are.

Neighbors come together to help Waukesha Christmas Parade victim

WAUKESHA — It was below freezing on Friday morning, but that didn’t stop Chris Holland and Randy Schobert from helping their friend Bill Mitchell with his yard work after he was injured during Sunday’s tragedy.

“It’s just the right thing to do,” said Schobert, who knows Mitchell through the Catholic community in Waukesha.

Over the course of the day, the two friends who have known Mitchell since the 1990s cleaned up his yard and let his dogs enjoy some playtime. Holland said that the community has to do things like this for one another in times of tragedy.


“We have to replace the evil that happened,” he said
 
  • #654
bbm
A thoughtful and insightful post, thanks.

As far as further abuse, prison is not considered abuse, but meant to rehabilitate.

It's looking like D. Brooks will most likely not benefit from an outpatient drug treatment program.
He has unfortunately receded too far from civilized behavior for this to be of any use to him.

He can however be treated in prison, and he can get help if he so chooses.
I don't think of prison as being abuse, as far as the programs and help offered to the inmates.
There are programs available for his mental health and for his drug addictions; programs designed to reach out without judgment.

But sadly, by D.B's own actions I think he is no longer safe to be allowed to walk freely amongst the rest of society.
Trust must be earned.
It would be unlikely to think he can be reformed and someday able to be released, but again-- imo -- I think it's safer for everyone if he spends the remainder of his days behind bars.
Despite being granted low bail amounts he learned nothing it would seem, and went on to reoffend.
Over and over.

There needs to be justice for the innocent victims as well.
MOO.
Oh! I wasn't meant to imply anything about external abuse or discuss the merits of the carceral system either way. I more mean- when you're cold and alone, when you can't hold a job because you don't have a home or a place to bathe, drug abuse becomes self medication because it's the easiest option.

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I do agree that he's past the point at which rehabilitation can happen, at least in the sense of being allowed to walk free, and I have no pity or sympathy for him. I couldn't care less about him and more... how do we keep this from happening to others? It is not enough to say "you should be strong enough to get help and stay away from drugs" because, not everyone IS strong enough, and giving in to that should not have to lead to so much pain and suffering for innocent bystanders.
 
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  • #655
Children's hospital in Wisconsin treating 7 victims from Christmas parade crash

The facility originally received 16 patients after the driver of a red SUV roared through the parade in Waukesha, killing six people and injuring more than 60. One patient was released on Friday and another was able to come home for Thanksgiving, officials said.

Out of the seven remaining Children's Wisconsin patients, four are in serious condition, two are in fair condition and one is in good condition, hospital representatives said. Five children had been listed in critical condition earlier in the week.
 
  • #656
Given our litigious society now, would these victims have a case against the City/DA for allowing Brooks out on low bail? This might sway the tide against no bail, and low bail for criminals.
 
  • #657
Given our litigious society now, would these victims have a case against the City/DA for allowing Brooks out on low bail? This might sway the tide against no bail, and low bail for criminals.
Perhaps, but this incident happened in another county and it could look really bad political optics wise, especially if families bring on certain attorneys that are known to take these types of cases.
 
  • #658
WAUKESHA, Wis. —

A memorial at Dopp Park in Waukesha honored Jackson Sparks, 8, who died this week.

Sparks died on Tuesday from his injuries he sustained in the Waukesha Christmas Parade, when an SUV drove through and struck dozens of people.

Six people total have died.

The new memorial for Sparks honors his time on the Waukesha Blazers, the baseball team he played for.

The memorial displays photos of Sparks in uniform. It also has a baseball, bat and homemade posters signed by his teammates.

'So well-liked by team members': Players honor boy killed at Christmas parade
 
  • #659
Given our litigious society now, would these victims have a case against the City/DA for allowing Brooks out on low bail? This might sway the tide against no bail, and low bail for criminals.

Not even close. Judicial immunity is pretty tight. JMO. Judicial immunity - Wikipedia

The most viable suit would be against parade organizers and town for lack of barriers. We’ll know soon enough - early notice would have be given to the town as a public entity under Tort Claims Act. I’m not getting into whether such a suit would succeed summary judgement - just stating possibility of filing.
 
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https://www.tmj4.com/news/waukesha-...2W9iQ2SAP_DbsJXZD2OVWcMCtb6tWaFCmDmm9Dh8SK5XI

WAUKESHA, Wis. — Funeral services have been scheduled for Jackson Sparks, 8, one of six people killed when a man sped his car into the crowd at the Waukesha Christmas parade last week.

Visitation for Jackson will be held on Thursday, December 2 at 4 p.m. at the Brooklife Church, located in Mukwonago, according to Schmidt & Bartelt Funeral Homes. Funeral services are scheduled to begin at 7 p.m.

A private family burial will be held on Friday.

"Our sweet little boy is now under the care of Jesus," Jackson's obituary says. "Jackson loved baseball and played for the Waukesha Blazers. When not playing baseball, or slam-dunking basketballs throughout the house, Jackson enjoyed fishing, catching frogs, and playing with his brother Tucker and his dog Qi’ra."

Children are encouraged to wear baseball jerseys to the service in honor of Jackson.

In lieu of flowers, Jackson's family asks that memorials be directed to The Waukesha Blazers Memorial Fund.
 
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