WI - ICE seeks help to ID youth in photos #2 - Identified

[Jules71]

According to the article, it seems we have only been spinning wheels since Monday, June 25th seems to be the day he was identified....

I grabbed the article and will post it here..

MINNEAPOLIS (Press Release) — Following the overwhelming media and public response to a public-outreach campaign, special agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Monday positively identified and located the individual pictured in last week's ICE news release. Information leading to identifying the individual was provided by a private citizen to the HSI tip line.




The June 25 operation to identify and locate the individual was accomplished by HSI special agents in St. Paul, Minn., Milwaukee, Wis., and Washington D.C. — in cooperation with investigators from the Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI).

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Thank God that poor child was found!!!! This is such a relief!

Reading between the lines, I'm trying to figure out if they consider the boy (who is clearly under 18, given what the fact that they won't name him) to be a victim as well. They kept referring to him as "the individual" as opposed to "the boy" or "the victim." Additionally, this quote speaks volumes to me about how they are viewing his status:



Not that they identified and rescued two child victims. I find this odd, given what I know about how children can be groomed to become unwitting abusers. I was really under the impression that the boy was also a victim but the wording of the article is making me think they are categorizing him as a minor offender. Just teasing out thoughts. Regardless, I am extraordinarily grateful that the girl has been rescued!!!!

I agree. It doesn't appear they are referring to him as a victim and I agree he must be a minor.

"HSI is grateful to members of the media, and especially to Minnesota and western Wisconsin media, which aggressively assisted in publicizing the limited specifics that could be shared to help rescue at least one child victim."

 

[Cappuccino]

Glad to hear they've been found.

 

[greenfingers]

thank god he has been identified and the little girl has been saved,so glad to see this news

 

[EXIA15145]

I found a disciussion on 4chan of the them. I clicked on them, then immediately just saved for looking at later, which I still have not done. They are blurred but VERY GRAPHIC. They may not be there any longer, I have no idea. Just know they are very disturbing.

THANK YOU for your warning of 'very graphic'. Because of your warning and those of others I knew not to go looking for the additional photos. I appreciate all those warnings. Without them I might have looked for the additional facial photographs. Thank you again.

 

[prima.facie]

so it reads to me (maybe i need to re-read) that he actually is a predator and the poor little girl is his victim.....if that is the case, hopefully he doesnt see the outside for a very very very long time if ever...

"In this unusual case, we successfully partnered with the media and public to rescue a child."

a child. singular. IMO, the little girl....the victim he raped.

 

[SyraKelly]

Any locals in WI watching the news?

 

[EXIA15145]

I agree. It doesn't appear they are referring to him as a victim and I agree he must be a minor.

"HSI is grateful to members of the media, and especially to Minnesota and western Wisconsin media, which aggressively assisted in publicizing the limited specifics that could be shared to help rescue at least one child victim."

It doesn't say whether he is a victim or not. It said 'at least one child victim' not 'only one child victim'. Sometimes the comments or statements are ambiguous and when other people read it later they misunderstand and use their own interpretation and it leads to incorrect assumptions.

 

[SyraKelly]

so it reads to me (maybe i need to re-read) that he actually is a predator and the poor little girl is his victim.....if that is the case, hopefully he doesnt see the outside for a very very very long time if ever...

I was going to hold off on MO of the boy-but I have always felt from looking at the stills he was not a victim in this case-I knew a lot of folks here felt he was-so I just read the posts without posting much-but the boy is some of those stills was smiling-this is MO of the stills!!

 

[pdxmama]

I guess one can assume that the boy was underage considering they won't release his name? Is 18 legal age in MN and WI? If so, then he's under 18 years of age?

I know we won't be privy to anymore information but still curious to know where this boy lived. Did he have family? Were adults involved, etc etc.

Glad the child victim was rescued.

Even if he is over 18, they won't release his name if he is a victim of sexual abuse. That's pretty standard. Not saying that's the case, I have no idea but it's a possibility. I'm so glad he has been located whether he is a victim or a perpetrator.

 

[Gracelin]

Identified! Immigration agency seeks help to ID youth in photos - Page 2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

# 36 The second entry has been removed from Namus..

 

[prima.facie]

I was going to hold off on MO of the boy-but I have always felt from looking at the stills he was not a victim in this case-I knew a lot of folks here felt he was-so I just read the posts without posting much-but the boy is some of those stills was smiling-this is MO of the stills!!

yup..i saw the stills and he seemed to be smiling and a predator....


ETA...he may be a victim in the sense of he was a sexual abused child....but unless authorities say otherwise, im not buying that he was forced to do what he did...he very much looked like a willing rapist...

 

[EXIA15145]

so it reads to me (maybe i need to re-read) that he actually is a predator and the poor little girl is his victim.....if that is the case, hopefully he doesnt see the outside for a very very very long time if ever...



a child. singular. IMO, the little girl....the victim he raped.

The wording could be misleading. It should not be assumed he is a predator. Another statement said 'at least one child' victim. Way back in the beginning it was said there is an adult involved. It may take them some time to discern the boy's involvement.

 

[marie-chantal]

It's interesting that the article says "state-level charges" (or something along those lines). Wouldn't child be a federal-level crime, especially since ICE was involved? Is it state-level due to the age of the boy?

I am so glad they've found this boy and a child. I hope that they've rescued the child in the video. I don't want to think that there's more than one child in that house. I'm still curious about who else was involved. I'm still on the fence about whether or not this boy was the predator. I have a feeling he is most likely a victim of abuse too.

 

[prima.facie]

The wording could be misleading. It should not be assumed he is a predator. Another statement said 'at least one child' victim. Way back in the beginning it was said there is an adult involved. It may take them some time to discern the boy's involvement.

thats fine...i believe otherwise based on unfortunately seeing the stills....
the other adult could be a person on the other side of the webcam....off in virtual world...a user out there watching a "live" show...

 

[pdxmama]

yup..i saw the stills and he seemed to be smiling and a predator....

But that's the thing. I child who has known nothing but abuse or who has been abused for a long period can fall into the role of abuser pretty easily. Especially if it takes the focus off of themselves. It is very scary to think that this boy could now be a predator in his own right but I think we should be careful about jumping to that conclusion based on the very limited info we have right now.

 

[EXIA15145]

Identified! Immigration agency seeks help to ID youth in photos - Page 2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

# 36 The second entry has been removed from Namus..

Would you mind saying what was 'the second entry'?

 

[prima.facie]

But that's the thing. I child who has known nothing but abuse or who has been abused for a long period can fall into the role of abuser pretty easily. Especially if it takes the focus off of themselves. It is very scary to think that this boy could now be a predator in his own right but I think we should be careful about jumping to that conclusion based on the very limited info we have right now.

im voicing my opinion like everyone else.....based on what ive seen and read...obvious it is an unpopular opinion, which is fine with me....
he raped a little girl.....it was very obvious....regardless he is guilty of raping a child....he has to be held accountable because he is dangerous....even if he was a victim himself.

 

[ohiogirl]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/us/child-prostitution/index.html?iref=allsearch

It could very well have to do with this.

FBI: Nationwide child prostitution sweep leads to 104 arrests, 79 children rescued

 

[EXIA15145]

Thank you everyone for your input and information. Thanks to all the people and their warnings of the graphic nature of the other photos. It kept me from looking for them. I really learned a lot about how Websleuths do things, and I learned a lot about the Websleuthers.

 

[prima.facie]

****GRAPHIC****

look, i totally get people wanting to feel sorry for this kid.....more than likely he is a victim of sexual abuse at some point in his life and many people here probably are too...its a horrible horrible horrible epedimic in this world.....but i find it very dangerous IMO to begin to make excuses or try and protect him when he literally raped a tiny little girl on a webcam for others to see. the pictures were a zillion times more graphic than i ever expected...i thought for sure they would have been extremely censored. what he did was what is seen in adult ....to a tiny little girl. he did not just flash the girl. he didnt show the girl a penthouse mag......he literally rapped a tiny little girl.

she was sitting on a sofa with him like any kid would....and he began to prey on her while the cam slightly moved and while he reached to type on a computer....

excuses aside....his history aside...which is probably very very very sad and horrible.....

he. is. a. predator. period.