WI - Jacob Wetterling posters/video in home of deceased Vernon Seitz, also child 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[mysteriew]

Driveon...You're right....imo
I can't understand any mother or father in their right minds that would allow their son to pose nude for this barber in order to 'paint' their picture??

Isn't that a crime to show young boys, nude pictures of young boys being tortured and molested? Did anyone ever complain to the police?

It is kinda screwed up. IIRC it is illegal for anyone to show a minor "nudity oriented material". This is considered sexual in nature.

It is illegal for anyone to have a real life child to nude model. This is considered exploitative and sexual in nature.

But it isn't illegal for anyone to say take a picture of a clothed child and paint them unclothed. This is considered creative in nature.This one has actually been tested in court. Someone did some animated graphics of child doing sexual activities, and they got busted. Supreme Court said it wasn't illegal as long as no child was exploited.

 

[mysteriew]

13 1/2 at this time, yes.

Cant confirm they were there yet, only know there is family ties there.
The problem is as advanced as we are in 2009 google earth, zillow, online records, etc, they dont correspond well to 50 year old records/addresses.

Street names and town names change, etc.. Remember this happened 50 years ago.. I got as far as I can get with my resources and turned it over, if no objections once it is reviewed I will post it.

Thanks for tipping that Driveon. If you hear anything more on it, please let us know.

 

[Drivenon]

Thanks for tipping that Driveon. If you hear anything more on it, please let us know.

Of course, and your comments on what is considered "creative" sadly, are true.. What I was told as "stand alone" evidence, that "creative work" unless it can be proven was "in the act" of the portrait is not necessarily criminal.

Coupled with the other evidence, if pans out, maybe. Stand alone, not prosecutable.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Makes legal sense, but troubling just the same.

 

[snowme]

Makes legal sense, but troubling just the same.

*nodding*, was just thinking the same. In that way it may not exploit *a* child but it exploits all children, imo. :no:

 

[Drivenon]

without a doubt, ss, I agree..

What I was told was to consider the totality.. In other words, if freakbarber has 4 million hand-anything , and that is his entire "collection".Rough ride.


The second it mixes with "images of child " he has a mandatory
sentence in WI Makes me think they are way smart..

 

[snowme]

In no way do I want to defend this man but for the sake of keeping things straight in my own mind (ha!)... I went looking to see where it was said that Seitz had shown nude drawings or pictures to children. I only recall reading anything like that in one place: http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37209304.html in the "customers saw oddity" section. One man recalls Seitz showing paintings & drawings to him and his friends but said that "nothing seemed disturbing." He was between the ages of 9 & 12 when he was a customer of Seitz's so I would think he would have been *uncomfortable* if it had been nude anything. ?? But that's what he said anyway. He's also the one whose friend told him that Seitz had asked him (the friend) if he could "portray" him in a drawing.

If there is a source that has said directly that Seitz showed nude material to children post it for me, as I'm not recalling seeing it before.

 

[Liadan]

This guy has trophys, has helped find missing kids, and he is therapeutically diagnosed as being predisposed to young kids. What more proof do you need to get interested. This scenario should be ringing alarm bells its like handing candy to a kid.
What we have here is a trifecta of precedents that signal a crime agaisnt children. If not Jacob then someone else. This case screams of Dannielle and David Westerfield, he was helpful and compliant and yet all the hallmarks of menace were there similarly here. Kids are vulnerable and they are precious and innocent beyond the price of keeping the reputations of suspect adult civilians unsullied.

 

[MeoW333]

MeoW333...You gave me a good laugh! Yes, that's what the spell check has done, sorry I didn't notice...it checks quotes as well as my post.
thanks for making lemonade from the lemon and giving me my best laugh of the day....:bow::..:

I'm glad i gave you a laugh :blowkiss: , the best laugh of the day, none the less

 

[MeoW333]

O/T

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Firefox has an add-on that is a dictionary that builds into the Firefox web browser. So any misspelled words show up with a red line under them so I don't have to spellcheck the whole thing and risk screwing things up.

It's a free download.

Firefox here, and for years, i love this browser!

 

[MeoW333]

A Big Duh to Me.. I just realized, there is no S&S warrant for a car for Seitz.

Nada, no tire lifts, no odometer info, no luminal/hemo tests no fiber standard, nothin'.. How did he get to the shrink and his barber shop at a minimum?

The shop was between 10-13 mi from his home and it appears that he worked at it until his death. How did whatever was in the dirt piles get moved? Not tools from the shed taken to be tested?

Good question, Drivenon, where is his car? I always assumed he drove, yet never thought about a car. Did he own one? Did he sell it before dying, stash it somewhere? If he has one, i hope LE runs tests on it and what may have ever been in the trunk. Just in case, even if Seitz is one of those who sell their car every 3 years..

 

[MeoW333]

Seitz was obviously up to no good, he had that hand printed sign on the door saying visitors were being recorded by an infrared camera due to a break in so please call first before visiting, or something to that degree. He didn't want unexpected visitors in case his child was out or something worse probably.

 

[Drivenon]

In no way do I want to defend this man but for the sake of keeping things straight in my own mind (ha!)... I went looking to see where it was said that Seitz had shown nude drawings or pictures to children. I only recall reading anything like that in one place: http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37209304.html in the "customers saw oddity" section. One man recalls Seitz showing paintings & drawings to him and his friends but said that "nothing seemed disturbing." He was between the ages of 9 & 12 when he was a customer of Seitz's so I would think he would have been *uncomfortable* if it had been nude anything. ?? But that's what he said anyway. He's also the one whose friend told him that Seitz had asked him (the friend) if he could "portray" him in a drawing.

If there is a source that has said directly that Seitz showed nude material to children post it for me, as I'm not recalling seeing it before.

I agree it is hearsay on it's own. There is no way until or unless someone might come forward as a direct witness to be sure. This guy is like a textbook profile case though, and alot of pediphilic crimes, expecially against boys, go unreported.

 

[mysteriew]

Even though LE said very early on that they didn't find anything, and basically said they weren't taking it any further I am not sure I believe them. The Wetterlings are too experienced at this to allow it to be dropped unless they felt certain it had been fully investigated and there was nothing there. And even after making that statement there was the later article about LE getting the therapist records. So I am thinking they may be investigating quietly.

 

[lilmisssleuth]

Originally Posted by Drivenon
A Big Duh to Me.. I just realized, there is no S&S warrant for a car for Seitz.

Nada, no tire lifts, no odometer info, no luminal/hemo tests no fiber standard, nothin'.. How did he get to the shrink and his barber shop at a minimum?

The shop was between 10-13 mi from his home and it appears that he worked at it until his death. How did whatever was in the dirt piles get moved? Not tools from the shed taken to be tested?

I just wanted to let you all know his shop was only 2-3 miles from his home. There is a bus that runs directly from one to the other. I am not sure about his therapist's office though. Where was that?

I am so glad that you are all on top of this. Thank you!

 

[Steely Dan]

Even though LE said very early on that they didn't find anything, and basically said they weren't taking it any further I am not sure I believe them. The Wetterlings are too experienced at this to allow it to be dropped unless they felt certain it had been fully investigated and there was nothing there. And even after making that statement there was the later article about LE getting the therapist records. So I am thinking they may be investigating quietly.

IIRC, the Wettelrings said they don't believe he had anything to do with their son's disappearance.

 

[Drivenon]

Even though LE said very early on that they didn't find anything, and basically said they weren't taking it any further I am not sure I believe them. The Wetterlings are too experienced at this to allow it to be dropped unless they felt certain it had been fully investigated and there was nothing there. And even after making that statement there was the later article about LE getting the therapist records. So I am thinking they may be investigating quietly.

Mrs. Wetterling said she believed he was not involved early on.

Mr. Wetterling was interviewed and said he thought it was too early to tell, but in his gut did not think this was "the answer"..

I recently consulted a colleague who knows them and worked on their son's case, he told me that the parents of ANY missing child are the absolute last people in the world to be consulted as to whether or not an indiviual was involved with what happened to their child. In no way an insult, they cannot objectively evaluate when they have a vested emotional interest in either outcome.

 

[Drivenon]

Originally Posted by Drivenon
A Big Duh to Me.. I just realized, there is no S&S warrant for a car for Seitz.

Nada, no tire lifts, no odometer info, no luminal/hemo tests no fiber standard, nothin'.. How did he get to the shrink and his barber shop at a minimum?

The shop was between 10-13 mi from his home and it appears that he worked at it until his death. How did whatever was in the dirt piles get moved? Not tools from the shed taken to be tested?

I just wanted to let you all know his shop was only 2-3 miles from his home. There is a bus that runs directly from one to the other. I am not sure about his therapist's office though. Where was that?

I am so glad that you are all on top of this. Thank you!

Sorry Lil, I stand corrected, I meant to say that his shop is 10-13 mi from his Racine residence, inherited from his Mother in 2006. Thanks for pointing that out.. Did you know any of his family or associates? Any buzz from back there?

 

[Drivenon]

Seitz was obviously up to no good, he had that hand printed sign on the door saying visitors were being recorded by an infrared camera due to a break in so please call first before visiting, or something to that degree. He didn't want unexpected visitors in case his child was out or something worse probably.

LOL, I wonder if that was his way of explaining the steel bar door?

I did not see an infared camera listed in his inventory, but if it had thermal imaging, well, I would be concerned about what he was using it for.

I also checked the weather trend in WI on Dec 10, there was 13" of snow on the ground and a significant cold snap the week prior.. That ground was frozen people! Yes, Im going back to the dirt piles! How is that possible??

 

[mysteriew]

IIRC, the Wettelrings said they don't believe he had anything to do with their son's disappearance.

Mrs. Wetterling said she believed he was not involved early on.

Mr. Wetterling was interviewed and said he thought it was too early to tell, but in his gut did not think this was "the answer"..

I recently consulted a colleague who knows them and worked on their son's case, he told me that the parents of ANY missing child are the absolute last people in the world to be consulted as to whether or not an indiviual was involved with what happened to their child. In no way an insult, they cannot objectively evaluate when they have a vested emotional interest in either outcome.

Thanks you've given me food for thought. But I was kinda thinking that the W's probably would be the first ones to complain if they felt it wasn't being investigated properly or was being ignored. Though I can certainly understand if in their hearts they might be reluctant to admit that Jacob could have ended up with this man.

BTW, I just had a thought. Didn't they say that this guy had eyehooks or some means of restraint in his home? I think Lanpear (sp) did too. I wonder how similar the two setups were.