WI - Jason Pero, 14, shot & killed by police, Ashland County, 8 Nov 2017

[Karinna]

SABBM

What a tragedy !!
Condolences to the teen's family.

I have to wonder what else was going on at his school, with his friends/social media, or home --- that he weighed that much ?

It's unhealthy for an adult-- but terrible for a teen and besides the health risks, I'd bet he was a target for bullies.

But a 300 lb. 5' 9" teen looked like a man to the cop--- he (the policeman) didn't see a child.
And since JP called 911 to report a large, armed man--- the cop isn't expected to know it was a teen.
I feel for that officer. My friend's son is planning to work in LE .

Every law enforcement officer deserves to go home at the end of the day.

This is a sad case. Wonder what was so terrible about his life that he wanted to die ?
:moo:

It is not illegal in the state of Wisconsin to carry a weapon if you have never been convicted of a crime. It is a 2nd. amendment right.
I will also reserve judgement about the 911 call until there is proof of it. Jason is no longer here to defend himself.

 

[bears10]

Well that's what the LEO has said, but where is the proof of that? Why wasn't his body cam turned on? And the point is it wasn't illegal for Jason to have a knife so the LEO had no business to interfere with Jason unless he was in the commission of a crime. And i want to know why that LEO thought he had the right on tribal land to do what he did, because from what i read about the law pertaining to that, he had no jurisdiction to do so. All IMO.

But what if it was a neighbor who had called 911 about a man walking around outside with a knife, and police didn't come to check it out.. or they came to check it out but didn't interfere with the man, and then said man stabbed and killed someone? Was the officer supposed to say "oh cool, just a guy walking around with a butchers knife, NBD" and leave?

 

[bears10]

Well that's what the LEO has said, but where is the proof of that? Why wasn't his body cam turned on? And the point is it wasn't illegal for Jason to have a knife so the LEO had no business to interfere with Jason unless he was in the commission of a crime. And i want to know why that LEO thought he had the right on tribal land to do what he did, because from what i read about the law pertaining to that, he had no jurisdiction to do so. All IMO.

Do we know that his body camera wasn't turned on? I am not being argumentative, I truly missed it if it was confirmed in MSM.

 

[Karinna]

Do we know that his body camera wasn't turned on? I am not being argumentative, I truly missed it if it was confirmed in MSM.

As i stated in my post "IMO". I don't know but haven't seen it confirmed in msm either.

 

[Karinna]

But what if it was a neighbor who had called 911 about a man walking around outside with a knife, and police didn't come to check it out.. or they came to check it out but didn't interfere with the man, and then said man stabbed and killed someone? Was the officer supposed to say "oh cool, just a guy walking around with a butchers knife, NBD" and leave?

Was Jason threatening anyone with a knife prior to his being shot when he was walking? Was he heading for the neighbours house with it? Where was he going i wonder? People carry concealed & unconcealed weapons all the time, but far as i know there isn't much LE can do until someone does get murdered or injured anyway, because nobody can predict that beforehand usually if someone is intent on killing someone.

 

[bears10]

Was Jason threatening anyone with a knife prior to his being shot when he was walking? Was he heading for the neighbours house with it? Where was he going i wonder? People carry concealed & unconcealed weapons all the time, but far as i know there isn't much LE can do until someone does get murdered or injured anyway, because nobody can predict that beforehand usually if someone is intent on killing someone.

When Jason called 911 on himself, I think it's likely that LE did not know he was calling about himself. So was LE not supposed to respond to a call from someone who may have been concerned about a man walking around their neighborhood with a knife? Was the 911 operator supposed to tell the caller "nah LE isn't going to come check that out since legally you can have an unconcealed knife"?

 

[bears10]

Well that's what the LEO has said, but where is the proof of that? Why wasn't his body cam turned on? And the point is it wasn't illegal for Jason to have a knife so the LEO had no business to interfere with Jason unless he was in the commission of a crime. And i want to know why that LEO thought he had the right on tribal land to do what he did, because from what i read about the law pertaining to that, he had no jurisdiction to do so. All IMO.

BBM... what did you read? Can you link? I'd like to familiarize myself and learn more about tribal law enforcement and related topics. Based on the reservations website, I don't see why the LEO had no right to do what he did, but admittedly, I am not very familiar with how law enforcement is handled on reservations in PL 280 states.

Wisconsin is what is known as a Public Law 280 State which gives criminal jurisdiction on Indian Reservations (except the Menominee) to the state. Civil jurisdiction such as hunting/fishing/gathering laws is a function of the tribe. The tribal court system oversees civil cases while criminal cases are overseen by state courts and enforced by state/county police officers.

http://www.badriver-nsn.gov/history

The sheriff’s office provides law enforcement services on the reservation along with the tribal police department.

http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/1...on-was-out-sick-from-school-grandparents-say/

 

[bluesneakers]

Was the officer wearing a body cam? It would be helpful if there was video to confirm that he had a weapon and actually lunged at the officer, right? Trying to be fair to both sides here. Sadly there some cases of officers planting evidence.

There are many cases of officers not wearing body cams, or body cams not being turned on or working if they are wearing them.

 

[bluesneakers]

More details emerge about police shooting of teenage boy in northern Wisconsin

Relatives have questioned whether the boy had a knife. The Wisconsin Department of Justice, which is investigating the incident, has said a knife was recovered from the scene.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_e5587702-d3c7-5fe4-84dd-9e28709eaa5d.html

I think the crime would come in when he lunged at the officer with the knife.

Did you see him lunge at the officer?

 

[bluesneakers]

Mrdjenovich, who has worked for the sheriff's office for about a year, was interviewed by agency officials and is on paid administrative leave.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...1-police-fatally-shoot-him.html#ixzz4yR6hNgsR

 

[scmom]

Did you see him lunge at the officer?

No, what did you see? Do you have an inside track? More expert knowledge?

 

[human]

Is it illegal for someone in WI to carry a knife?

Now there is a good observation! Of course it is not illegal. Good point

 

[human]

Of course it’s a tragedy. A 14 year old may think life will never get better, but it does. If only he had a crystal ball to see what his future held and the good times that were ahead of him.

It’s also sad for the officer who shot him, now that I am sure people will be saying less than favorable things about him. I am sure he is going through a lot emotionally right now. I imagine shooting someone, especially a teen, who was in such a bad mental place that he wanted the police to carry out his suicide for him, is much different (emotionally) than shooting, say, a perp who just raped someone. JMO


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I don’t understand. The kid made the cop do it? Don’t we all learn that no one makes us angry? We choose to be angry. The cop carried out the boy’s wishes? Strange

 

[human]

I have a boy of that exact age that lives across the street from me. I don’t know his weight but he is a huge one.

There is no mistaking him for a man because he too has the baby face like Jason. And my neighbor boy is not good at walking with all of that weight. I am sure Jason walked the same way with his weight. It is kind of waddly.

There are excellent points brought up about Jason and crime as it is not illegal to carry a knife. If my neighbor who is a baby huey started lunging, the thing to do is get in the car because it is easy to see a child is having some kind of issue. Caling for back up. There is no way Jason would be mistaken for a man.

Natives eat the same junk that many Americans do. There are plenty of fat American kids. As a matter of fact, obesity is a huge problem.

We certainly see that sodas, fast food, cakes and other unhealthy foods are promoted in America

 

[bluesneakers]

I don’t understand. The kid made the cop do it? Don’t we all learn that no one makes us angry? We choose to be angry. The cop carried out the boy’s wishes? Strange

People seem to think if you're suicidal the police have to shoot you but, surprise! It's not true. Sometimes people are suicidal, even armed and threatening to kill themselves, and law enforcement or EMS or family members or even neighbors are able to help them, and they get help and get better. (Whether or not they also have weapons.) We KNOW it can be done, but it's so much faster and easier to just shoot.

 

[Elley Mae]

The subject was later identified as 14-year-old Jason Ike Pero. Pero approached Deputy Mrdjenovich with a large butcher knife and he refused numerous commands to drop the weapon. On two occasions, Pero lunged at the deputy while the deputy was attempting to retreat.


On two occasions, Pero lunged at the deputy while the deputy was attempting to retreat.

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-re...county-officer-involved-death-investigation-0

 

[bears10]

People seem to think if you're suicidal the police have to shoot you but, surprise! It's not true. Sometimes people are suicidal, even armed and threatening to kill themselves, and law enforcement or EMS or family members or even neighbors are able to help them, and they get help and get better. (Whether or not they also have weapons.) We KNOW it can be done, but it's so much faster and easier to just shoot.

But the LEO wasn’t responding to a call about a suicidal person. They were responding to a call about a man walking around with a knife.


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[Cryptic]

It is not illegal in the state of Wisconsin to carry a weapon if you have never been convicted of a crime. It is a 2nd. amendment right

All very true. In my state, one can carry a fire arm openly as well. Even still, if police dispatch receives a report that somebody is in a neighborhood and carrying a gun, they are going to respond to that report. They probably will not arrest the person carrying the weapon though (providing he is not carrying it in a way to cause alarm).


Had the police in Las Vegas received a call about a man with multiple rifles in his hotel room, should they have ignored it? After all, rifles are legal in Nevada and no crime was being committed- well, not that moment. Or, should the police have responded and tried to ascertain what intents the man had?

What about a call about a man outside a church with a fire arm in Texas? In an of itself, carrying a fire arm outside a church is not illegal. Should the police respond? Or do they need to wait until he say, starts shooting people? Likewise, in Florida, what if the police received a call about a man with a rifle outside a gay bar. Should the police view it as "nothing illegal- no big deal, no need to respond"?

But what if it was a neighbor who had called 911 about a man walking around outside with a knife, and police didn't come to check it out.. or they came to check it out but didn't interfere with the man, and then said man stabbed and killed someone? Was the officer supposed to say "oh cool, just a guy walking around with a butchers knife, NBD" and leave?

Very good points.

I guess hypothetical calls about a man with alot of rifles and alot ammunition in a Las Vegas hotel room and a man outside a church with a rifle should also be ignored by the police. After all, neither action was illegal.

 

[human]

All very true. In my state, one can carry a fire arm openly as well. Even still, if police dispatch receives a report that somebody is in a neighborhood and carrying a gun, they are going to respond to that report. They probably will not arrest the person carrying the weapon though (providing he is not carrying it in a way to cause alarm).


Had the police in Las Vegas received a call about a man with multiple rifles in his hotel room, should they have ignored it? After all, rifles are legal in Nevada and no crime was being committed- well, not that moment. Or, should the police have responded and tried to ascertain what intents the man had?

What about a call about a man outside a church with a fire arm in Texas? In an of itself, carrying a fire arm outside a church is not illegal. Should the police respond? Or do they need to wait until he say, starts shooting people?


Very good points.

I guess hypothetical calls about a man with alot of rifles and alot ammunition in a Las Vegas hotel room and a man outside a church with a rifle should also be ignored by the police. After all, neither action was illegal.

Exactly, Neither action is illegal, I cannot fathom why one would call about a guy with guns in a hotel. Just because someone does not like it does not count.

Physicians are not allowed to ask about guns in the home. I doubt if LE has the right to ask about guns

 

[Cryptic]

Exactly, Neither action is illegal, I cannot fathom why one would call about a guy with guns in a hotel. Just because someone does not like it does not count.

Physicians are not allowed to ask about guns in the home. I doubt if LE has the right to ask about guns

I don't think the doctor concept transfers in these cases.

The hotel is private property. Therefore, the owner of the property or somebody acting in his behalf (law enforcement) can ask about any guns and ammunition. If the owner does not like the answers the owner gives, he can be told to leave the property.

The fact that the man did nothing illegal will prevent his arrest. He can, however, be "un-guested" and booted if he makes the property owner uncomfortable by possessing weapons. My guess is that this would have happened in Las Vegas had the hotel been aware of the shooter's weapons stash.

Likewise, police can ask anybody about carried weapons at any time. They may not be able to arrest him for simple possession of a weapon, but having a weapon can be reason for questioning.