Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #36

[BlinkOfAnI]

.deleted by me. found answer

 

[bellyup]

That's incorrect.

The Sixth Amendment Confrontation Clause states:
" In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to be confronted with the witnesses against him."
And that means they get to cross examine them.
You can force a victim to testify but if they do, the defendant gets to cross them. No witness is allowed to testify without the defendant being able to cross examine. That's the constitution.
The 6th Amendment's Confrontation Clause - FindLaw
And while a victim can't be compelled to testify, without victim testimony in most cases that means there's no case.

A victim cannot be compelled to testify. You said it yourself.

I think the confusion some have lies in "witness" (who can be forced to testify) and "victims" whom are protected by the Victims Rights Act.

It may mean there is no case (assuming that victim testimony is all prosecutors have against the person). It's the main reason domestic violence cases are dropped left and right. You can't force a victim to testify and without that testimony, there's often no case.

That said, a lot of lawyers, law enforcement, courts will try to force it or try to obtain testimony through any means possible (ie; writing, video, etc).

Which is ALSO why a strong and knowledgeable victims advocate is extremely important.

 

[Jabarn]

Yeah, I'm not understanding the unemployment thing. I can see how that small town might not have jobs....so move. Get the lead out and move out, kid!

Just imagine if he had a job that kept him busy so he didn't have time or energy to concoct elaborate plans to kill and kidnap. And, who knows, maybe an employed young man could even get a date.

He seems capable of working, so why wasn't he? Is there a reason we don't know?

jmo

Well, no way to know for sure, and it does seem there was a way for him to finance what certainly isn’t a hunting cabin. I think his parents helped out, IMO. It’s a larger house- we speculated earlier on a little cabin, maybe one with just a ground floor with a combined living area and bedroom with the kitchen being right there. Thoughts were even there wouldn’t be a bathroom, but an outhouse. This was before she was found.

Either way, it would be a perfect place with only a few locals living year round.

This may be a cabin per se, but seems more like the floor plan of a house. The Dude might chime in.

 

[Karinna]

I think that is a mistake. I am pretty sure the Patterson's didn't own Jenni-O.

Yes & i deleted my post because i misread the article. It was the home owned by the Patterson's not the business. And that Jayme's parents worked at the business for 27 years.
(quote)
An obituary for James and Denise Closs says they worked at the turkey processing plant for 27 years.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Deleted by me.

 

[The Dude]

“Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." Notice: I said they may have been "assigned" to him. That's pub defenders, Dude!

I had a very clever reply to this, but I'm trying to not lose my juice box tonight.

Public Defender or the ghost of Johnny Cochran, this guy ain't getting out of this mess.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

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[katydid23]

Yes & i deleted my post because i misread the article. It was the home owned by the Patterson's not the business. And that Jayme's parents worked at the business for 27 years.
(quote)
An obituary for James and Denise Closs says they worked at the turkey processing plant for 27 years.

It's OK. Happens to everyone. The worst thing is when you figure out it's bad info, and the edit window is closed. lmao

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

Attorneys for suspect in Closs case 'relying on integrity of judicial system'

"Inegrity of judicial system." I've said it out loud five times, now, and haven't been able to stop myself from busting out loud in hysterical laughter. Anyone having better luck?

 

[bellyup]

Public Defender or the ghost of Johnny Cochran, this guy ain't getting out of this mess.

I was trying to put myself in the attorney's shoes and ...
I think you are right. Especially if that shot gun turns out to be a match. He's got zero chance.

 

[Irmese]

Watching 48 Hours about Jayme now, 10 PM EST.

 

[Karinna]

It's OK. Happens to everyone. The worst thing is when you figure out it's bad info, and the edit window is closed. lmao

Yeah true, I have been reading too much, need more coffee LOL.

 

[bellyup]

Watching 48 Hours about Jayme now, 10 PM EST.

If there is any new or interesting information can someone please share? I'm one of those weird "no TV" people.

 

[not.a.muggle]

Updates for those of us without tv, please!? I would like to know whom they speak to. TYIA

 

[Irmese]

FBI and CBI - not answering questions about if she was bound or if he fed her or let her out of the house.

 

[Irmese]

Aunt holding J's dog, Molly. Xmas presents were waiting for J.

 

[katydid23]

I had a very clever reply to this, but I'm trying to not lose my juice box tonight.

Public Defender or the ghost of Johnny Cochran, this guy ain't getting out of this mess.

She will be the perfect witness. She was there in the house when he killed her parents and she will stand up and say so.

 

[Irmese]

Sherriff talking about the community's efforts.

 

[cluciano63]

I read
Something like it on Heavy... that he’d have people over and lock her in a room while they were there.

I thought it meant people stopped by, knocked on door, when he was out...

 

[Moxiegrl]

Can you match shotgun ballistics?
https://www.quora.com/Can-forensics...e-way-as-a-bullet-is-used-to-identify-a-rifle