Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #41

[mtnlites]

Wait a minute, whaaaat? I’m just seeing this in the media thread!!!! Sorry I must have missed this whole discussion!

I thought he wasn’t in the internet?
“Online history”? What “online history”?! Okay I’m freaking out here.

Ok this is a big development, moo and important for various reasons. I know RO is a sleazy source but again like their recent comment in Abby’s and Libby’s case re: a quote from Leazenby I’m wondering if they really do get information sometimes..

I haven’t even heard of that other group—-if he found that group then surely he found this one?

Sorry for rehash!

That's what I said in my post-that this new information contradicts the previously released information. That particular FB group is probably the biggest one on FB. It's very popular and one of the first ones that shows up in searches.

Although I wouldn't doubt that he Googled himself and hung out in some groups to get updated information about the crime, I take that info with a grain of salt because it appears to come from the group and it contradicts other things LE has already said. Technically, anyone can say anything about who visits their page. I could tell someone that Stephen King visits my FB page twice a day, but that doesn't mean it's true. I can't prove to you he does visit, but you can't show me any evidence that he doesn't so we'd both be at an impasse. Unless JP was a member of that group or posted in there, they wouldn't know whether he was lurking or not.

Frankly, I'd be more surprised if he DIDN'T do some kind of online stuff.

 

[MsBetsy]

Wait a minute, whaaaat? I’m just seeing this in the media thread!!!! Sorry I must have missed this whole discussion!

I thought he wasn’t in the internet?
“Online history”? What “online history”?! Okay I’m freaking out here.

Ok this is a big development, moo and important for various reasons. I know RO is a sleazy source but again like their recent comment in Abby’s and Libby’s case re: a quote from Leazenby I’m wondering if they really do get information sometimes..

I haven’t even heard of that other group—-if he found that group then surely he found this one?

Sorry for rehash!

Yes, it's hard to know if any of that is true, considering the source. They may have seen that Patterson told police in the complaint that he checked on the news and SM and found out their names and then took it from there. Imo

 

[Jim_M]

It would be in the report of her neeting with her rescuer. There is a comment about “they didn’t know who I was” or something like that referring to people coming to the horror house.

I do not believe there is a comment from her that she did not know people were looking for her.

Can anyone find that comment?

Please show the link. Anyone?

I do not recall seeing that statement.

One thing I would like to mention, and I hope it's okay to do in this reply, is a statement JLC had in the CC (Criminal Complaint):

"J.L.C. stated that sometimes Patterson would have friends and/or relatives over. J.L.C. stated that Patterson made it clear that nobody was to know she was there or bad things would happen to her. In order to hide the fact that J.L.C. was there, Patterson made J.L.C. hide under his bed in his bedroom. J.L.C. stated Patterson’s bed was in one corner of his bedroom. When he made her hide under his bed, J.L.C. stated he stacked totes and laundry bins around the bed with weights (like weights for barbells) stacked against them so she could not move them without his being able to detect it if she did. One time, J.L.C. stated she accidentally moved one of the totes when she was told to hide under the bed and Patterson told her something bad would happen if she did it again. J.L.C. stated Patterson would turn music on in his room so she couldn’t hear what was happening if there was anyone else in the house with him."

"nobody was to know she was there...." Could this be where confusion on people looking for her came from?

ETA: Would be great to understand what device was being used to play the music in his room. If a radio station, did JLC hear that erroneous report about being found? Did JLC pump herself up to make it really happen? IMO all the correct angels/stars aligned for our heroine. Happy tears.

 

[MsBetsy]

That's what I said in my post-that this new information contradicts the previously released information. That particular FB group is probably the biggest one on FB. It's very popular and one of the first ones that shows up in searches.

Although I wouldn't doubt that he Googled himself and hung out in some groups to get updated information about the crime, I take that info with a grain of salt because it appears to come from the group and it contradicts other things LE has already said. Technically, anyone can say anything about who visits their page. I could tell someone that Stephen King visits my FB page twice a day, but that doesn't mean it's true. I can't prove to you he does visit, but you can't show me any evidence that he doesn't so we'd both be at an impasse. Unless JP was a member of that group or posted in there, they wouldn't know whether he was lurking or not.

Frankly, I'd be more surprised if he DIDN'T do some kind of online stuff.

Did anyone find out if he had a FB account, or any SM for that matter? I would think it would be easy to find as he would not have had time to get rid of it before he was arrested. Imo

 

[margarita25]

That's what I said in my post-that this new information contradicts the previously released information. That particular FB group is probably the biggest one on FB. It's very popular and one of the first ones that shows up in searches.

Although I wouldn't doubt that he Googled himself and hung out in some groups to get updated information about the crime, I take that info with a grain of salt because it appears to come from the group and it contradicts other things LE has already said. Technically, anyone can say anything about who visits their page. I could tell someone that Stephen King visits my FB page twice a day, but that doesn't mean it's true. I can't prove to you he does visit, but you can't show me any evidence that he doesn't so we'd both be at an impasse. Unless JP was a member of that group or posted in there, they wouldn't know whether he was lurking or not.

Frankly, I'd be more surprised if he DIDN'T do some kind of online stuff.

Thanks for your response, I’m not sure if you saw my alert to you a while back asking why you had specifically suspected otherwise about him having no online contact...in other words I was suspicious about the no online activity part.

This is a huuuge discrepancy.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks for the link! I cannot read anything at the paper as I used up my free options a long time ago. Getting rid of my history is a nightmare because of reentering passwords.

So this answers the question I think lots of us had. She had not heard the news about herself. She heard no radio amd saw no television about herself.

But what is the comment that she was surprised they knew Patterson’s name?

I don't know why she would be surprised but he could have been telling her anything, like he was some super top secret spymaster and nobody knew his real name. Who knows. MOO

 

[StarEyes]

Every time I think about or read that he made her stay under that bed with totes blocking her in, all I can think of is a coffin. Almost buried alive. It’s such a small space. I don’t know how she didn’t have horrible panic attacks every time. He’s such a creepy little man. jmo

 

[Ragnarok]

The plates were stolen so I'm not sure how far they would have gotten. Maybe they tried. I'm not even sure if the dashboard camera would have captured the number on the plates since they were likely driving pretty fast. Imo

I've wondered if the plates were stolen from a red challenger?

 

[ilovepierre]

Hm. How about that picture of the high school kids and he is all alone in the back with his head in a book?

No, I do not think he was an average kid.

And I am thinking that the one grandfather is like the parents of Chris Watts.

They lost a grandson. Ok. Cry for us. Um, no

I don't think there's anything unusual about his HS class photo, IMO.
I'm unhappy in all my class photos from kindergarten to grade 4.
Some people just don't like group pictures.

 

[MsBetsy]

I do not recall seeing that statement.

One thing I would like to mention, and I hope it's okay to do in this reply, is a statement JLC had in the CC (Criminal Complaint):

"J.L.C. stated that sometimes Patterson would have friends and/or relatives over. J.L.C. stated that Patterson made it clear that nobody was to know she was there or bad things would happen to her. In order to hide the fact that J.L.C. was there, Patterson made J.L.C. hide under his bed in his bedroom. J.L.C. stated Patterson’s bed was in one corner of his bedroom. When he made her hide under his bed, J.L.C. stated he stacked totes and laundry bins around the bed with weights (like weights for barbells) stacked against them so she could not move them without his being able to detect it if she did. One time, J.L.C. stated she accidentally moved one of the totes when she was told to hide under the bed and Patterson told her something bad would happen if she did it again. J.L.C. stated Patterson would turn music on in his room so she couldn’t hear what was happening if there was anyone else in the house with him."

"nobody was to know she was there...." Could this be where confusion on people looking for her came from?

ETA: Would be great to understand what device was being used to play the music in his room. If a radio station, did JLC hear that erroneous report about being found? Did JLC pump herself up to make it really happen? IMO all the correct angels/stars aligned for our heroine. Happy tears.

There is an article that stated the neighbor said that Jayme was surprised she knew Patterson's name and that she was not aware people were looking for her. It was reported in the beginning, I believe in the Star Tribune.
But since she only mentioned music being played, we can't verify that she heard any news at all.
Not many people listen to the radio anymore, especially someone Patterson's age.
I would think that he would not want her knowing anything about people looking for her. As I mentioned before, in many cases the kidnapper wants the victim to believe no-one is looking for them, as a way to maintain control, break their will, and ensure their captive is completely dependent on them for survival. Imo

 

[Julia966]

Wait a minute, whaaaat? I’m just seeing this in the media thread!!!! Sorry I must have missed this whole discussion!

I thought he wasn’t on the internet?
“Online history”? What “online history”?! Okay I’m freaking out here.

Ok this is a big development, moo and important for various reasons. I know RO is a sleazy source but again like their recent comment in Abby’s and Libby’s case re: a quote from Leazenby I’m wondering if they really do get information sometimes..

I haven’t even heard of that other group—-if he found that group then surely he found this one?

Sorry for rehash!

Badmins is a Facebook group. I'm on Facebook but frankly don't know much about how it works. Do you need to have a Facebook profile to read things on Facebook?

I'm sure he has an online history. What he apparently doesn't have is an online presence, which I take to mean that he doesn't have a profile in any SM platform. But he was apparently accessing the Badmins site somehow, if RO is accurate.

 

[Ragnarok]

Talking with a couple people today about the Closs crime. Question came up that no one knew the answer.

Reference additional criminal charges and statute of limitations; does anyone know how many years the Wisconsin DA can wait before filing additional charges?

 

[margarita25]

Badmins is a Facebook group. I'm on Facebook but frankly don't know much about how it works. Do you need to have a Facebook profile to read things on Facebook?

I'm sure he has an online history. What he apparently doesn't have is an online presence, which I take to mean that he doesn't have a profile in any SM platform. But he was apparently accessing the Badmins site somehow, if RO is accurate.

Thanks for explaining (I’m not on FB and rely on you guys for that stuff).

A few things, if one does have to be a member to view content in that group then which one is his profile and it is still active?

Also, this brings to light yet another discrepancy, not saying in a blaming manner but just noting for hindsight as far as trying to understand what all went down in this investigation from an educational standpoint.

Thirdly, how he must have been gleaming reading everyone’s theories and posts which had nothing to do with anything.

But Jayme got him in the end!!

She beat you !!!

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I think another glaring elephant in the room is can we trust his accounts of how he targeted Jayme?

And what else might his online activity have uncovered? As mentioned we can not say this was likely his first rodeo..or was it?

 

[ilovepierre]

They were going too fast to get the plates. And we've talked a lot about this. They did not know what they were going to. Early on I believe they stated they thought it might be a suicide.

How could they possibly know two people had been murdered and a child abducted?

They had no reason to stop anyone.

Exactly.
Pulling over random cars while enroute to a crime scene is just not feasible.
Time would be lost doing that.

 

[human]

I've wondered if the plates were stolen from a red challenger?

The LE would know who the car belonged to if they knew the stolen plate number. If it was a Challenger, they would know the owner.

I am confused about the killer and pulling over.

In MN, you have to pull over and stop into the shoulder or to the edge of the road if no shoulder.

What is the law in WI? Do you have to pull over and stop?

If he was stopped, wouldn’t the dash cam show the car?

I think it is obvious the neighbors heard the shots, But why did they not hear the sirens? Do the police cars turn off the sirens when they stop? That is not what I have seen and heard when they are there for an incident. But I have no clue

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Do you have a link to statistics that show that home invasions are on the rise? Most recent studies I have seen actually show that they are on the decline.

Home Invasion Statistics - Self Defense & Prevention - Gun Sources

I'm sorry abi..I didn't see your reply until just now. We had friends come in right after I had posted.

Anyway... I wasn't referring to the typical home invasion burglaries. I have no doubt they have declined overall although your data is over 2 years old.

With the economy becoming much stronger now I hope it continues to decline overall in total.

Maybe what I should have said was the deadly home invasions have risen when the suspect enters a dwelling that is occupied at the time the home was invaded by either a stranger or strangers.

Imo in many typical burglary cases of 'get in and get out quickly when the home is unoccupied without being seen ' that MO has changed recently for strangers and we are seeing more who hit homes they know are occupied but no longer seem to care.

There have been several such horendous cases that had their own threads right here on WS but the search will reveal there have been even more.

I am away from my computer now but all one has to do is do a simple quick Google search of 'deadly home invasion' not 'home invasion.'

Immediately it will show multiple links from several local news sites depending on which states they happened in.

Some just happened in the past few weeks so these are cases that happened that were not only very recent but those who didnt make national news nor posted on WS.

These are deadly home invasions which resulted in the victims inside ...being injured or murdered.

Bblo.

 

[DizzyB]

There was info posted-was it DM that stated he followed the case online, including a certain sleuthing group. I took a look at that group and only saw a Facebook presence-not a website.

My question-if you aren’t a FB member, can you still see an open groups’ posts on a regular basis? If it were a closed group, I fully understand that you would have to be part of the group to see the posts. But is all FB out there readily available to bookmark and read if the security settings are wide open?

 

[ilovepierre]

Badmins is a Facebook group. I'm on Facebook but frankly don't know much about how it works. Do you need to have a Facebook profile to read things on Facebook?

I'm sure he has an online history. What he apparently doesn't have is an online presence, which I take to mean that he doesn't have a profile in any SM platform. But he was apparently accessing the Badmins site somehow, if RO is accurate.

BBM.
It depends on the privacy settings of the page.
I can view some pages on FB without having to be logged in.

IMO

 

[Julia966]

I am reminded of a case, (handsome) Florida high ranking cop’s daughter was abducted and killed, iirc. A witness on the road called 911 with a sighting of a woman screaming in car but someone dropped the ball bigtime at dispatch and it basically cost her her life. The cops were riiiight theeere.... Iirc, this police officer took the 911 dispatch problem to the highest level...

I guess my point on that is like above, it seems the “Taurus” does appear to be the tragic element here.

Yeah, it seems the Taurus was the only clue they had. I don't know why they didn't make the sighting of that car public after they realized that it might have significance. Sure, they would have been flooded with tips, but someone from Eau Claire Acres might have called it in. It's also possible he would have gotten rid of it, but even then, someone may have seen it abandoned or something and let LE know. It seems like a huge missed opportunity to me as well, though LE may have had a good reason for not making it public that I'm not seeing.

 

[Quill]

I am reminded of a case, (handsome) Florida high ranking cop’s daughter was abducted and killed, iirc. A witness on the road called 911 with a sighting of a woman screaming in car but someone dropped the ball bigtime at dispatch and it basically cost her her life. The cops were riiiight theeere.... Iirc, this police officer took the 911 dispatch problem to the highest level...

I guess my point on that is like above, it seems the “Taurus” does appear to be the tragic element here.

I remember that case. IIRC, wasn't there more than one person who called that in?

As humans, we are flawed and no matter how much we try, there are going to be errors. Horribly tragic in the cases where the error means a life is lost or other tragedy occurs. We can only learn from these costly errors and hopefully the Closs case will become one that is studied from every angle for future use.