Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #43

[Julia966]

My dogs definitely hear the vehicle door opening/closing, if not the arrival.

True. My dogs would hear the doors as well. Plus, the Closses don't have a paved driveway which would make a difference in the sounds the "coasting" would make.

 

[OhThatVictoria]

might have be vinyl gloves under work gloves?

Timeline:

Judging by what we know, the call log started at 00:53:26. The first dispatcher entry, dispatching 3 units 00:56:01. So 2 min, 35 seconds to try and resolve the 911 hangup. This is not unusual - there are more 911 hangups than you think. Cars onscene at 01:00:29. That's 4 min, 28 sec plus 2:35 for 7:03 elapsed for 911 response.

Figure with what we know now the dog alerted maybe 1.5 min before call? (Dogs can be very observant to specific vehicle noise signatures.) First shot 30 to 45 seconds before 911 call? Just a guess here, though.

Some distortion/muffling due to the bathroom/tub likely didn't help, but there's probably more detail on the tape than released.

So say, with what we know, time from first shot to escape with JC about 7 min, 8 min max I believe.

I want to re-iterate I think BC dispatch and the first 4 responders did a great job.

“Some distortion/muffling due to the bathroom/tub likely didn't help, but there's probably more detail on the tape than released.”

Trying to figure out at what point the 911 call was made. Was it when JP was busting through the door?

The BC Sheriff has stated all along that nothing discernible could be heard in the call. Knowing what we now know about the location of JC and DC, in the bathroom tub, hiding behind the curtain, how muffled could the audio be?

Did DC have it in a pocket to conceal the fact the call was made? If so, then JP found it on her, right? Or, did JC have the phone, make the call? If so, was it in her pocket and did he find it, perhaps when he was placing duct tape on her?

How did the phone travel from the bathroom (tub?) to the outer hallway door? Did JP throw it there? Did JC drop it as he grabbed her to exit the house? (Edit to add: Did it fall out of her pocket?)

Did the 911 operator hear the gunshot?

(Edit #2 - In earlier interview (I believe w/Dryden Wire), Sheriff stated that the audio sounded like it was coming from another room, where you couldn’t make out what was being said. I believe that was a bluff and there’s more on that audio than we know, how much is the question.)

Sheriff: No fingerprints, no shoe prints, no DNA in Wisconsin double homicide, missing teen case

“It is unknown who made that call.

"There's like a distance to it or something's covering up the phone like a blanket," Fitzgerald said.

Police found the phone in the doorway of a bathroom hallway, away from where the two bodies were discovered, he said in an interview with MPR News.”

 

[OhThatVictoria]

I was envisioning along the lines of this type of glove - black, nitrile - mechanics wear them.. police wear them.. other trades wear them ie plumbers, cleaners, fuel people, etc. It would be easy to wear 2 pairs in case one layer became slit somehow, would go with his 'uniform', would still allow agility, and would cover his prints.
DELTA Black Magic glove

They are expensive !

 

[Ragnarok]

One week to next court date for JP

 

[Ragnarok]

Can accused killer, kidnapper Jake Patterson get a fair trial in the explosive Jayme Closs case?

Fair trial issues for JP.

 

[moemomma]

The Sheriff said himself, originally, that they could hear background noise and calling for help. He likely said more than anyone else thought he should have, so he backed off his original statement.

I'm curious as to what they found in Jake Pattersons phone records, as far as the timeline goes... since they are so certain he acted alone.

 

[Ragnarok]

The Sheriff said himself, originally, that they could hear background noise and calling for help. He likely said more than anyone else thought he should have, so he backed off his original statement.

I'm curious as to what they found in Jake Pattersons phone records, as far as the timeline goes... since they are so certain he acted alone.

Doubt he has many contacts but would hate to be one of them on that list.

 

[foxbluff]

Criminal Complaint - Probable Cause - References to Cell Phone


Page 2. Deputy James Pressley, with the Barron County Sheriff’s Department, reports on October 15, 2018, at approximately 12:53 AM, he and other deputies were in the Barron County Dispatch Center when a 911 call came in. Deputy Pressley reports screaming could be heard in thebackground. Dispatch advised that the 911 call had originated from 1268 13 1/2 Avenue/U.S. Hwy. 8, west of the City of Barron.... Upon arrival, Deputy Pressley reports there were no outside lights on at the residence and no screaming or signs of distress consistent with the 911 call coming from inside.

Page 4: Detective Nelson reports the bathroom door swings inward into the bathroom.... Detective Nelson observed a cell phone lying with the screen side down on the floor near the door jam and hinge side of the bathroom door.

Page 6: [Jan. 11, 2019 Bonnie Fries, a Child/Adolescent Forensic Interviewer with the FBI, interviewed J.L.C.]

... J.L.C. stated she was asleep in her bedroom when her dog started barking early in the morning. J.L.C. stated she got up to investigate why her dog was barking and noticed there was someone driving up their driveway. J.L.C. stated she went to her parents’ room and woke them up. J.L.C. stated her parents got up and her father went to the door to see what was going on. J.L.C. stated there was a man (later identified as Patterson) at the door with a gun, so she and her mother hid in the bathroom with the door closed. J.L.C stated that she and her mother hid in the bathtub. J.L.C. stated she heard a gunshot and knew her father had just been killed. J.L.C. stated her mother had her cell phone with her and used the phone to call 911. J.L.C. stated Patterson broke down the bathroom door and told her mother to hang up the phone. J.L.C. stated Patterson told her mother to put tape over J.L.C.’s mouth, which her mother did, and then Patterson shot her mother. J.L.C. stated both her mother and father were shot one time. J.L.C. stated the first time she saw Patterson was in the bathroom where she and her mother were hiding.

[Foxbluff Notes: JP makes no mention of DC'S phone in his custodial interview herein]

 

[JudgeJoe]

For clarity...

The discrepancies & confusion regarding the arrival, tape & gloves are all on page 6, 8 & 9 of the Criminal Complaint. IMO, we should only rely on the CC at this stage & not the seeming errors, ommissions & embellishments of MSM.

The Arrival per JC, Criminal Complaint p 6:
“she was asleep in her bedroom when her dog started barking early in the morning/ she got up to investigate why her dog was barking and noticed there was someone driving up their driveway/she went to her parents’ room and woke them up/her parents got up and her father went to the door to see what was going on/there was a man (later identified as Patterson) at the door with a gun, so she and her mother hid in the bathroom with the door
closed/she and her mother hid in the bathtub.”

Arrival per JP, CC p 9:
“as he arrived near the Closs residence, he shut off his headlights
and basically coasted into the end of the driveway/parked near the
end of the driveway,quietly exited his vehicle, and approached the house/walked on the sidewalk leading up to the front door of the house/noticed James standing in the large picture window,
which he indicated was to the left of the front door.”

Gloves per JP, CC p 8:
“wearing two pair of gloves on
his hands/he described as regular work gloves.”

Tape per JP, CC p 9:
“he pulled out a flattened partial roll of black colored Gorilla brand duct
tape, handed it to Denise, and told her to place the tape over J.L.C.’s mouth/Denise was struggling to do that and he set the shotgun down on the bathroom sink/he took the tape from Denise and wrapped tape around J.L.C.’s mouth, and completely around her head/had J.L.C. stand up where he then took tape and placed it around her wrists/palms together/took the tape and wrapped it around J.L.C.’s ankles.”

Tape per JC, CC p 6:
“Patterson taped her hands and ankles together and dragged her out to his car/ described the tape as being black in color/stated Patterson taped her hands such that her hands were behind her back.”

Unless there is something more/ different/revised Feb 6, this is the most official version- if there’s a point to be made?

 

[ilovechili]

Imagine, he would have taken another teen girl after some months for Jayme to have a fellow sufferer. He would have been proud of his "skills" for outdoing LE twice, IMO.

I agree. I would not even doubt he was already on that thought. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

[SassynOz]

I am a realtor in a different state. We have disclosure laws, as all states do, and I believe we would need to disclose something of this nature for a period of time.

I agree , I remember years ago when my parents sold their home ( well my childhood home to) . It had caught on fire years prior but it was rebuilt basically from the ground up remodeled doubled in value. When they sold it of course the realtor knew she had been a family friend. The house didn’t burn due to issues within the home. My brother was burning trash without permission on a windy day etc. anyway the realtor didn’t disclose it. My parents asked why I still remember the convo. She said it’s just more paperwork and summaries etc to have to peruse it wasn’t from electrical etc issues so it’s just more trouble then it’s worth. They argued about it because technically the house was newer in all most everyway after. But the company didn’t add it although she said it only had to be dealt with if they asked. Well 5 years later the couple that bought the house heard about the fire from a neighbor. They then sued my parents and the realtor company for over 1 mill. 8x what they even paid for the house.

Short story is the judge dismissed the case towards my parents because it was up to the realtor to disclose. Since they did tell them even if not they should of done the homework so to speak. Anyway in the end the couple did win but only for the cost of the home and any money spent when they closed the deal. So they got the house completely free out of the company’s pocket. It is a majorly know big realtor company to. Over 20 years later the people still live there. They had no issues with the house at all. Only that the fire wasn’t disclosed. So I personally wouldn’t want to even sell a house where a murder took place and just wait years hoping it would be forgotten. That could majorly bankrupt the seller. Not worth it. But you know the Ramsey’s house still stood and that is a house that even before social media everyone knew about. Even I went to see that house a fence and a address change didn’t deter that home being well known.

 

[ilovechili]

I agree , I remember years ago when my parents sold their home ( well my childhood home to) . It had caught on fire years prior but it was rebuilt basically from the ground up remodeled doubled in value. When they sold it of course the realtor knew she had been a family friend. The house didn’t burn due to issues within the home. My brother was burning trash without permission on a windy day etc. anyway the realtor didn’t disclose it. My parents asked why I still remember the convo. She said it’s just more paperwork and summaries etc to have to peruse it wasn’t from electrical etc issues so it’s just more trouble then it’s worth. They argued about it because technically the house was newer in all most everyway after. But the company didn’t add it although she said it only had to be dealt with if they asked. Well 5 years later the couple that bought the house heard about the fire from a neighbor. They then sued my parents and the realtor company for over 1 mill. 8x what they even paid for the house.

Short story is the judge dismissed the case towards my parents because it was up to the realtor to disclose. Since they did tell them even if not they should of done the homework so to speak. Anyway in the end the couple did win but only for the cost of the home and any money spent when they closed the deal. So they got the house completely free out of the company’s pocket. It is a majorly know big realtor company to. Over 20 years later the people still live there. They had no issues with the house at all. Only that the fire wasn’t disclosed. So I personally wouldn’t want to even sell a house where a murder took place and just wait years hoping it would be forgotten. That could majorly bankrupt the seller. Not worth it. But you know the Ramsey’s house still stood and that is a house that even before social media everyone knew about. Even I went to see that house a fence and a address change didn’t deter that home being well known.

Good points. If I was a realtor I might stay away. We live in a sue crazy society. Even when there is no real damage or cause, it takes up court time and costs money just to get something dismissed. imho.

 

[OhThatVictoria]

Criminal Complaint - Probable Cause - References to Cell Phone


Page 2. Deputy James Pressley, with the Barron County Sheriff’s Department, reports on October 15, 2018, at approximately 12:53 AM, he and other deputies were in the Barron County Dispatch Center when a 911 call came in. Deputy Pressley reports screaming could be heard in thebackground. Dispatch advised that the 911 call had originated from 1268 13 1/2 Avenue/U.S. Hwy. 8, west of the City of Barron.... Upon arrival, Deputy Pressley reports there were no outside lights on at the residence and no screaming or signs of distress consistent with the 911 call coming from inside.

Page 4: Detective Nelson reports the bathroom door swings inward into the bathroom.... Detective Nelson observed a cell phone lying with the screen side down on the floor near the door jam and hinge side of the bathroom door.

Page 6: [Jan. 11, 2019 Bonnie Fries, a Child/Adolescent Forensic Interviewer with the FBI, interviewed J.L.C.]

... J.L.C. stated she was asleep in her bedroom when her dog started barking early in the morning. J.L.C. stated she got up to investigate why her dog was barking and noticed there was someone driving up their driveway. J.L.C. stated she went to her parents’ room and woke them up. J.L.C. stated her parents got up and her father went to the door to see what was going on. J.L.C. stated there was a man (later identified as Patterson) at the door with a gun, so she and her mother hid in the bathroom with the door closed. J.L.C stated that she and her mother hid in the bathtub. J.L.C. stated she heard a gunshot and knew her father had just been killed. J.L.C. stated her mother had her cell phone with her and used the phone to call 911. J.L.C. stated Patterson broke down the bathroom door and told her mother to hang up the phone. J.L.C. stated Patterson told her mother to put tape over J.L.C.’s mouth, which her mother did, and then Patterson shot her mother. J.L.C. stated both her mother and father were shot one time. J.L.C. stated the first time she saw Patterson was in the bathroom where she and her mother were hiding.

[Foxbluff Notes: JP makes no mention of DC'S phone in his custodial interview herein]

Thank you for the Complaint Report details. We still don’t know how the phone traveled from the tub area (where Denise remained) to the open door jam (near the door hinge). There was a lot going on in that small bathroom in a short window of time. Perhaps DC threw the phone (in her panic after being told to get off the phone by JP).

I can’t recall, did we ever learn the length of the 911 call / connection?

 

[kkdj]

I agree , I remember years ago when my parents sold their home ( well my childhood home to) . It had caught on fire years prior but it was rebuilt basically from the ground up remodeled doubled in value. When they sold it of course the realtor knew she had been a family friend. The house didn’t burn due to issues within the home. My brother was burning trash without permission on a windy day etc. anyway the realtor didn’t disclose it. My parents asked why I still remember the convo. She said it’s just more paperwork and summaries etc to have to peruse it wasn’t from electrical etc issues so it’s just more trouble then it’s worth. They argued about it because technically the house was newer in all most everyway after. But the company didn’t add it although she said it only had to be dealt with if they asked. Well 5 years later the couple that bought the house heard about the fire from a neighbor. They then sued my parents and the realtor company for over 1 mill. 8x what they even paid for the house.

Short story is the judge dismissed the case towards my parents because it was up to the realtor to disclose. Since they did tell them even if not they should of done the homework so to speak. Anyway in the end the couple did win but only for the cost of the home and any money spent when they closed the deal. So they got the house completely free out of the company’s pocket. It is a majorly know big realtor company to. Over 20 years later the people still live there. They had no issues with the house at all. Only that the fire wasn’t disclosed. So I personally wouldn’t want to even sell a house where a murder took place and just wait years hoping it would be forgotten. That could majorly bankrupt the seller. Not worth it. But you know the Ramsey’s house still stood and that is a house that even before social media everyone knew about. Even I went to see that house a fence and a address change didn’t deter that home being well known.

Wow! Your poor parents! Their realtor misled them. Here's how I like to play it.......when in doubt, disclose.

 

[Julia966]

Imagine, he would have taken another teen girl after some months for Jayme to have a fellow sufferer. He would have been proud of his "skills" for outdoing LE twice, IMO.

I wonder. It's possible, since it all seemed to go so well for him for quite a while, that he thought hey, why not do it again? OTOH, I wonder if the whole thing was kind of let down, didn't satisfy whatever rage or loneliness or whatever he was feeling, and was starting to become more of a hassle than it was worth.

No idea why I think that's possible. But something about him that I can't put my finger on makes me wonder if he really was satisfied with the situation.

Which should in no way be construed as sympathy. I don't think he regrets it or cares about Jayme or her parents, and even if he did, I wouldn't care. I just wonder if it was all he thought it would be.

 

[buttonbaby]

I wonder. It's possible, since it all seemed to go so well for him for quite a while, that he thought hey, why not do it again? OTOH, I wonder if the whole thing was kind of let down, didn't satisfy whatever rage or loneliness or whatever he was feeling, and was starting to become more of a hassle than it was worth.

No idea why I think that's possible. But something about him that I can't put my finger on makes me wonder if he really was happy with the situation.

Which should in no way be construed as sympathy. I don't think he regrets it or cares about Jayme or her parents, and even if he did, I wouldn't care. I just wonder if it was all he thought it would be.

BBM.... I have had the same thought... IMOO.

 

[Julia966]

BBM.... I have had the same thought... IMOO.

For me, maybe it's the fact that he had no prior violence in his life or crimes or....anything whatsoever, that makes he think he did this one huge atrocity just to see if he could feel something. And I bet he didn't. If it turns out he has a history of rape or assault or hatred of women or pedophile tendencies or burglary or anything that looks like an escalation, I'll feel differently. But as it is, I don't know. He seems very unusual in that respect.

 

[oviedo]

I have now devised an escape plan from my bathroom and would use DC example of opening the drawer to block the door from being opened. It's quite effective and gives a minute or two to open the window and escape. Thank you DC and JC - I hope never to use this knowledge.

 

[MemPat]

“Some distortion/muffling due to the bathroom/tub likely didn't help, but there's probably more detail on the tape than released.”

Trying to figure out at what point the 911 call was made. Was it when JP was busting through the door?

The BC Sheriff has stated all along that nothing discernible could be heard in the call. Knowing what we now know about the location of JC and DC, in the bathroom tub, hiding behind the curtain, how muffled could the audio be?

Did DC have it in a pocket to conceal the fact the call was made? If so, then JP found it on her, right? Or, did JC have the phone, make the call? If so, was it in her pocket and did he find it, perhaps when he was placing duct tape on her?

How did the phone travel from the bathroom (tub?) to the outer hallway door? Did JP throw it there? Did JC drop it as he grabbed her to exit the house? (Edit to add: Did it fall out of her pocket?)

Did the 911 operator hear the gunshot?

(Edit #2 - In earlier interview (I believe w/Dryden Wire), Sheriff stated that the audio sounded like it was coming from another room, where you couldn’t make out what was being said. I believe that was a bluff and there’s more on that audio than we know, how much is the question.)

Sheriff: No fingerprints, no shoe prints, no DNA in Wisconsin double homicide, missing teen case

“It is unknown who made that call.

"There's like a distance to it or something's covering up the phone like a blanket," Fitzgerald said.

Police found the phone in the doorway of a bathroom hallway, away from where the two bodies were discovered, he said in an interview with MPR News.”

There is something heartbreaking, yet heartwarming about seeing the two picnic tables in the yard of Jayme's home pictured in this article. This would indicate to me that they had extended family or neighborhood gatherings there. Maybe the family will move the tables to her aunt's home and continue those traditions. MOO

 

[Julia966]

I hope so too. Both sides of the family seemed close, which is maybe why JP saw a bunch of cars in the driveway on that one pass. I hope the families can heal and remain close.