Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #43

[Rubiconbob]

I think he's going to want to take the stand...

I fear your correct, but this guy loves control. You could feel that today.

He won’t have any control on stand. How did marine training end. ?? Did u pay for your house, car.? Did u ever talk to mom about jayme? When your parents visited Christmas, what did u do with your kidnap victim. How did it feel killing your first two humans?? Answering those questions in front of cop is a bit different with your dad melting in court... he has to know that’s coming.... bragging about switching license plate won’t be focus....

He can’t really call pro JP folks to trial... grandpa sounds like no comment, mom
Is hiding, dad seems to want this over, there are 0 marine buddies.

You could be right, hope he doesn’t.

 

[MassGuy]

I fear your correct, but this guy loves control. You could feel that today.

He won’t have any control on stand. How did marine training end. ?? Did u pay for your house, car.? Did u ever talk to mom about jayme? When your parents visited Christmas, what did u do with your kidnap victim. How did it feel killing your first two humans?? Answering those questions in front of cop is a bit different with your dad melting in court... he has to know that’s coming.... bragging about switching license plate won’t be focus....

He can’t really call pro JP folks to trial... grandpa sounds like no comment, mom
Is hiding, dad seems to want this over, there are 0 marine buddies.

You could be right, hope he doesn’t.

I hope it doesn’t go to trial, but if it does, I hope to God he takes the stand.

It wouldn’t take long to emotionally destroy him, and I’d take tremendous satisfaction in seeing that happen.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I think the mask served two purposes:

To conceal his identity.

To fulfill an aspect of his fantasy.

I think saw himself as some sort of special forces soldier. The black clothing, gloves, and mask, were an important part of this.

Concealing his identity was probably a part of it but his plan was to leave no witnesses including LE if necessary (a lot of killing with his small number of bullets and a kitchen knife eh?). I agree 100% with needing the mask to fulfill the fantasy of who he wanted to be but I think he was to weak (for lack of a better word) to have his face seen. He was hiding behind it like a coward. JMO X5

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I think the mask served two purposes:

To conceal his identity.

To fulfill an aspect of his fantasy.

I think saw himself as some sort of special forces soldier. The black clothing, gloves, and mask, were an important part of this.

But to add, yes! Definitely a want to be flunky.

 

[PommyMommy]

The 21-year-old charged with kidnapping Jayme Closs, 13, is seen in court for the first time | Daily Mail Online
He betrayed no emotion as he confidently answered the judge's questions, determining that he had made his decision to not have a preliminary hearing 'knowingly, intelligently and voluntarily.'

By waiving his right to a preliminary hearing, Patterson's case will now go to trial.

Emotion flickered across Patterson's face as he was escorted past the row in which his father, sister Katie and brother Erik sat. 'Love you Jake,' his father said quietly.

Both Katie and Erik echoed him with the words, 'We love you' as the youngest of the three siblings shuffled past them in handcuffs and orange prison overalls.

His face contorted with a half smile, half grimace. For a moment he appeared on the verge of tears and then he was gone.

This is the first time that Patterson has appeared in person and stood in the same room as the relatives of the couple he is accused of murdering and the 13-year-old girl he kidnapped.

At 10.41am more than a dozen of Jayme's family members had filed silently into the courtroom. Earlier they had acknowledged it was 'going to be a hard day.'

They filled three of the four rows of benches. Patterson's family presence was meager by comparison.

Patterson's father quietly thanked the Sheriff's Deputy who had escorted them in, then placed a protective arm around his daughter's shoulder and held her close as they sat waiting for proceedings to start.

Proceedings lasted barely three minutes and the case will now go to trial. As he left the room Patterson's sister stifled a sob and his brother broke down in tears.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I hope it doesn’t go to trial, but if it does, I hope to God he takes the stand.

It wouldn’t take long to emotionally destroy him, and I’d take tremendous satisfaction in seeing that happen.

Without a plea deal what does he have to lose? He seemed to enjoy telling LE his plan. Imagine if he thought he could speak to thousands via televised trial or simply knowing it would be recorded and shown later. He won't be any match for the prosecutors. His grand finale will fizzle like a 4th of July fireworks display in the rain.

 

[MassGuy]

Without a plea deal what does he have to lose? He seemed to enjoy telling LE his plan. Imagine if he thought he could speak to thousands via televised trial or simply knowing it would be recorded and shown later. He won't be any match for the prosecutors. His grand finale will fizzle like a 4th of July fireworks display in the rain.

He may care about what his family thinks of him, and they don’t want a trial.

Everyone knows what he did, and he will still be able to speak at sentencing.

We’ll see what happens, early days yet.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

He may care about what his family thinks of him, and they don’t want a trial.

Everyone knows what he did, and he will still be able to speak at sentencing.

We’ll see what happens, early days yet.

That's true. Family would be the only reason he has left to avoid trial. It was one of the reasons I thought he may have confessed so readily. Seems like it's been eons since that time.

 

[Ragnarok]

Reference plea/no plea deal. I'm sure that will be a discussion between the prosecutors and the Closs family relatives. If offered 50 years with chance of parole to plead guilty versus trial with guilty verdict resulting with life I wonder what the family would do?

If trial the Closs family relatives can never unsee or unhear the crime details.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Reference plea/no plea deal. I'm sure that will be a discussion between the prosecutors and the Closs family relatives. If offered 50 years with chance of parole to plead guilty versus trial with guilty verdict resulting with life I wonder what the family would do?

If trial the Closs family relatives can never unsee or unhear the crime details.

Everyone is so different. I think it's impossible to tell what any family would do. I have kept up with the David Grunwald murder trials that have gone on for so long and still aren't over. David's parents always attend and I can't imagine how difficult it must be to see the pics they see. I think it is what they feel they need to do though.

 

[SeekingJana]

This is a very odd thought but he may have needed the mask to hide from himself. Hope this makes sense but he was a social outcast and people made him uncomfortable.

This is true of many killers, not for a disguise against identification so much as the " disguise" comes to represent who they are. From the days of Ed Gein wearing his victim's skin, we have known there is a "costuming" component to some killers, usually serial killers. The prevailing theories are that a significant covering that's not necessary is 1) part of the serial killer's identity as they almost always lack a formed self image, or 2) they believe the item or items they choose or are compelled to wear gives them special abilities either in thinking or actions or maybe both. It's one of the least understood aspects of the sociopathic killer.

The second explanation would likely occur in a killer or serial killer/ serial assault criminal who is deep into fantasy and role- playing as part of their crimes.

IMO, it's impossible to determine which category JP fits into, because I think there's a both components of lack of self- image, and also a significant fantasy role- playing element to his crimes.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

This is true of many killers, not for a disguise against identification so much as the " disguise" comes to represent who they are. From the days of Ed Gein wearing his victim's skin, we have known there is a "costuming" component to some killers, usually serial killers. The prevailing theories are that a significant covering that's not necessary is 1) part of the serial killer's identity as they almost always lack a formed self image, or 2) they believe the item or items they choose or are compelled to wear gives them special abilities either in thinking or actions or maybe both. It's one of the least understood aspects of the sociopathic killer.

The second explanation would likely occur in a killer or serial killer/ serial assault criminal who is deep into fantasy and role- playing as part of their crimes.

IMO, it's impossible to determine which category JP fits into, because I think there's a both components of lack of self- image, and also a significant fantasy role- playing element to his crimes.

Thank you! Your explanations were much better then mine. Both were what I poorly tried to word.

 

[stephlovescheese]

I hope it doesn’t go to trial, but if it does, I hope to God he takes the stand.

It wouldn’t take long to emotionally destroy him, and I’d take tremendous satisfaction in seeing that happen.

I agree- and i think if it does go to trial he’ll insist on taking the stand. Perhaps not, because i see weakness in him, but IF he does take the stand, I foresee him talking in circles, more smirks, and eventually going down in flames.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Reference plea/no plea deal. I'm sure that will be a discussion between the prosecutors and the Closs family relatives. If offered 50 years with chance of parole to plead guilty versus trial with guilty verdict resulting with life I wonder what the family would do?

If trial the Closs family relatives can never unsee or unhear the crime details.

If I were her fam, I’d hold out for LWOP. In 50, JP will be 71. JC will be 63, with kids & grandkids. Aunts & uncles may not be alive anymore. I’d want to be able to leave this earth knowing that b@st@rd will never have opportunity to hurt her or her future loved ones ever again. Regardless of whatever testimony I had to hear. Remember his charges are limited to murder & kidnapping.

 

[SeekingJana]

Thank you! Your explanations were much better then mine. Both were what I poorly tried to word.

You did just fine. It's a quirk of a subset of killers, especially when there's a sexual component in the overall plans for a victim or victims which needs to be discussed.

The more society understands how these traits form in the disordered mind, the better chance we have of identifying a budding killer or assaulter before they become a serial killer or serial rapist.

 

[Rubiconbob]

This is true of many killers, not for a disguise against identification so much as the " disguise" comes to represent who they are. From the days of Ed Gein wearing his victim's skin, we have known there is a "costuming" component to some killers, usually serial killers. The prevailing theories are that a significant covering that's not necessary is 1) part of the serial killer's identity as they almost always lack a formed self image, or 2) they believe the item or items they choose or are compelled to wear gives them special abilities either in thinking or actions or maybe both. It's one of the least understood aspects of the sociopathic killer.

The second explanation would likely occur in a killer or serial killer/ serial assault criminal who is deep into fantasy and role- playing as part of their crimes.

IMO, it's impossible to determine which category JP fits into, because I think there's a both components of lack of self- image, and also a significant fantasy role- playing element to his crimes.

There’s a 20 percent chance he gets on cell
Phone cam or doorbell cam.... that was the main purpose of mask...???

He didn’t want JC for 2 minutes... wanted longer than that...

Chubby white guy.. 6 ft in mask in Wisconsin..that’s 1/3 males over 18

I think rest could play into minimal fantasy..
But his fantasy was only what’s provided or stolen from family... avenger takes to street in 18 yr old Ford Taurus with gun stolen from dad...

The reason closs killed, he wanted no witnesses...

He couldn’t bust down front door so he shot it... 12 try’s on bathroom door... I think he ate Doritos/ played fortnite and skimed army tough guy books..

I would bet he wishes he just kidnapped a hooker one nite and regrets the whole thing.. who knows..

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

You did just fine. It's a quirk of a subset of killers, especially when there's a sexual component in the overall plans for a victim or victims which needs to be discussed.

The more society understands how these disorders form in the disordered mind, the better chance we have of identifying a budding killer or assaulter before they become a serial killer or serial rapist.

Agree. Wisconsin prisons were a huge part of the criminal sociopath research a while back. It was very interesting. Cure isn't the right word but for lack of better I use it....you can't cure something unless you understand it.

 

[SeekingJana]

There’s a 20 percent chance he gets on cell
Phone cam or doorbell cam.... that was the main purpose of mask...???

He didn’t want JC for 2 minutes... wanted longer than that...

Chubby white guy.. 6 ft in mask in Wisconsin..that’s 1/3 males over 18

I think rest could play into minimal fantasy..
But his fantasy was only what’s provided or stolen from family... avenger takes to street in 18 yr old Ford Taurus with gun stolen from dad...

The reason closs killed, he wanted no witnesses...

He couldn’t bust down front door so he shot it... 12 try’s on bathroom door... I think he ate Doritos/ played fortnite and skimed army tough guy books..

I would bet he wishes he just kidnapped a hooker one nite and regrets the whole thing.. who knows..

I apologize, but I cannot follow your grammar for most of your post.
If he'd wanted a hooker, he'd have gone that way. He wanted a pure little girl.
Respectfully, IMO.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I apologize, but I cannot follow your grammar for most of your post.
If he'd wanted a hooker, he'd have gone that way. He wanted a pure little girl.
Respectfully, IMO.

Agree with that, and I was just saying I don’t think fantasy played much into this. The mask was mainly for concealment.

If you read on Ed Gein, him
And JP share some similarities, quiet/odd..

But I think Ed Geins mom was nuts and screwed him up, JP seems more like he took divorce especially hard at very young age and never fully recovered... as for his mom... dunno anything, as she’s said nothing..

 

[Forpsy]

What? No more apologetic letters for JC?