Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #44

[JenniD]

If he pleads guilty there will still be several hearings. That we won't see the last of his face just yet.

Ugh!

 

[girlhasnoname]

As this thread has become very slow it has given me the opportunity to reflect on the case from the beginning I thought about the first few days- what little Info we had to work with and how we all interpreted that information in different ways. Some were convinced from the beginning that Jayme was the target. I for one did not believe that to be the case. I was convinced that James and Denise were the targets and it was a revenge killing. I thought Jayme was either taken in case a hostage was needed or it was just an afterthought. I was also convinced there were 2 perps Boy was I wrong. Many speculated the neighbors didn’t hear gunshots- or at the very least their timeline was wrong. It appears to have been a mistaken time recalled by the neighbors

I always felt that Jayme was alive but no evidence to support my belief

The 911 call was a mystery to all. What was on that tape? No mystery conversation just the sound of a crazy person trying to break into a bathroom I do still wonder if you could hear JP telling Denise to hang up the phone

Based on what we know now it is amazing that this was solved, and most likely would never have happened if it wasn’t for the strength and courage of Jayme herself

One last thought- I always wonder if JP was on WS. I recall a few posts by a member that made the hair on my neck stand up. Then they just disappeared

Wow, looking back like you mentioned...it seems like years to me instead of months. This case hit me especially hard.

Thinking back on the early day threads, wow, we were really grasping at straws with little to no evidence. I debated, analyzed, scrutinized, kicked, screamed, cursed, cried, laughed in rare moments, and then started all over again. Mentally exhausting it surely was, but I never gave up hope Jayme was alive bc I always felt she was the target. Her escape blew my mind in the best possible way.

The rest of JP story was a shock and incomprehensible that this little pip squeak could have reeked such devastation on this innocent family. I still can't process this perp, he's a strange, strange and evil dude IMO.

I wonder often how Jayme is doing, I'm glad she's kind of faded from the spotlight to heal and I hope she's learning how to cope one day at a time with the support of her loving family.

 

[crhedBngr]

Checking in and catching up.

I always thought Siberia would be an excellent place for "people" like JP.

 

[Ragnarok]

Jake Patterson: Experts say insanity defense would be tough sell in Jayme Closs kidnapping

 

[Ragnarok]

Legal Experts: Jake Patterson Is ‘As Close to 100 Percent Screwed’ as a Person Can Be Without Pleading Guilty

Good

 

[PommyMommy]

Jake Patterson: Experts say insanity defense would be tough sell in Jayme Closs kidnapping

From the article:

Convincing a jury that Patterson was suffering from a mental disease or defect at the time the crimes occurred would be a tough sell, criminal experts say.

“This crime is so despicable (that) it’s almost impossible for an insanity defense to work here,” said Jack Levin, a longtime criminologist and a professor emeritus at Northeastern University in Boston and co-director of the university's Brudnick Center on Violence and Conflict.

Levin said Patterson’s confession in the Jayme Closs abduction case, if true, showed that he went to great lengths to plan and carry out the crimes, which runs contrary to the belief that he was an out-of-control offender. Holding a hostage for three months while eluding police "are not character traits of criminals who are out of touch with reality.”

 

[PommyMommy]

Legal Experts: Jake Patterson Is ‘As Close to 100 Percent Screwed’ as a Person Can Be Without Pleading Guilty

Good

From the article:

Based on the available information about the case, it seems circumstances are stacked against Patterson in every possible way. Then again, an arraignment is set for March 27, and a lot can change in the discovery process. With all of that in mind, we asked our legal experts if Patterson was completely screwed or if he had some leverage in this case.

Short answer: He’s screwed.

“To answer your question, Patterson is as close to 100 percent screwed as a defendant can be without actually pleading guilty,” said Aaron Keller, host of The Daily Debrief on the Law&Crime Network.

[...]

What about a plea deal? Rendelman said that’s an option: Patterson’s attorneys would have to show he is taking full responsibility. Keller suggested that while the defendant has yet to enter a plea, the lawyers would likely be telling him behind the scenes that the case is pretty much “impossible.”

Perhaps the defense could seek a plea deal. It doesn’t mean that’s going to be successful either, however. Barron County authorities would need to accept it.

The defense “will have to try to convince the prosecutors to give him some sort of deal to spare the public and court and prosecutors a trial,” said Bianchi. “It will be a very hard argument.”

Bianchi, the former lead prosecutor out of Morris County, New Jersey, told Law&Crime that he would have “no mercy” in a case like this, due to the nature of the crime and the strong evidence against Patterson. He wouldn’t be willing to offer a lesser punishment.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Hoping Jayme is doing better with each passing day.

 

[SkipperKey3]

From the article:

[...]

What about a plea deal? Rendelman said that’s an option: Patterson’s attorneys would have to show he is taking full responsibility. Keller suggested that while the defendant has yet to enter a plea, the lawyers would likely be telling him behind the scenes that the case is pretty much “impossible.”

Perhaps the defense could seek a plea deal. It doesn’t mean that’s going to be successful either, however. Barron County authorities would need to accept it.

No plea. I just wonder - if he is really still obsessed with Jamie, I wonder if he is going to go to trial, rather plead guilty, as one last desperate attempt to see Jayme again, even if it is to testify against him. However, I don't think that's going to happen. There is already too much evidence in the case, I don't think they need Jayme to make an appearance. I think they are and will continue to be very protective of her.
She's already been through way more than she should have ever had to endure. Let her heal.

 

[Ragnarok]

No plea. I just wonder - if he is really still obsessed with Jamie, I wonder if he is going to go to trial, rather plead guilty, as one last desperate attempt to see Jayme again, even if it is to testify against him. However, I don't think that's going to happen. There is already too much evidence in the case, I don't think they need Jayme to make an appearance. I think they are and will continue to be very protective of her.
She's already been through way more than she should have ever had to endure. Let her heal.

If necessary Jayme could appear via CCTV rather than physically in courtroom. Wouldn't want to be defense lawyers asking her questions about what happened in the house, her trip in the trunk of the car, and introduction to Patterson's residence.

 

[Inthedetails]

If necessary Jayme could appear via CCTV rather than physically in courtroom. Wouldn't want to be defense lawyers asking her questions about what happened in the house, her trip in the trunk of the car, and introduction to Patterson's residence.

Would the defense lawyer's even have to question her? I don't know how they could without looking horrible. The prosecution could ask her the questions, the defense lets it stand, and then moves on to other evidence/theories to attempt to defend the perp.

IDK?

jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

Elizabeth Smart set to speak in Barron County on Jayme Closs rescue
Kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart is scheduled to speak in northwestern Wisconsin next week to help the region cope with a high-profile double homicide-kidnapping.

Smart told The Associated Press in January that Jayme will struggle to regain a sense of normalcy.

Elizabeth Smart to host town hall in Jayme Closs' hometown
Elizabeth Smart will host a town hall discussion at Barron Area Community Center Friday, March 15 to talk about her experience and how the community can heal and move forward.

Smart shares some of Closs' tragic experience. At the age of 14, Smart was abducted from her Salt Lake City bedroom at knife point by a man in 2002. She was rescued by police nine months later. Both of her captors were caught.

Elizabeth Smart will visit the hometown of Jayme Closs
Kidnap survivor Elizabeth Smart, who has been vocal in her support of Jayme Closs, is coming to Jayme's hometown for a public event next Friday.

According to the Barron County Sheriff's Department, Elizabeth Smart will be in Barron for an event called "Moving Forward with Elizabeth Smart". The event is scheduled for 6:30pm-7:30pm on March 15 at the Barron Area Community Center.

Elizabeth Smart to hold town hall in Barron as community grapples with Jayme Closs case
Smart is now a child safety advocate and author, and is married with two children.

Doors open at 6 p.m. for Smart's town hall. The event is free and open to the public.

 

[human]

I imagine she will meet with Jayme.

 

[Falcon500]

If necessary Jayme could appear via CCTV rather than physically in courtroom. Wouldn't want to be defense lawyers asking her questions about what happened in the house, her trip in the trunk of the car, and introduction to Patterson's residence.

I doubt that she would testify via video link. The only time you see that is at bond hearings where they want to save money on transportation costs. Much cheaper for the defendants to appear on television than to bus fifty guys to the courthouse for a two minute hearing.

Either way she would still have to testify and undergo cross examination.

 

[Ragnarok]

Elizabeth Smart set to speak in Barron as area copes with Jayme Closs case

"The sheriff declined to say whether Jayme would attend or whether Smart will meet with her, saying he will never comment on Jayme's movements.

Smart will focus on her own experiences and how her community moved past her kidnapping but won't discuss Jayme's abduction, Fitzgerald said."

 

[JudgeJoe]

Elizabeth Smart set to speak in Barron as area copes with Jayme Closs case

"The sheriff declined to say whether Jayme would attend or whether Smart will meet with her, saying he will never comment on Jayme's movements.

Smart will focus on her own experiences and how her community moved past her kidnapping but won't discuss Jayme's abduction, Fitzgerald said."

Interesting...
“Smart will focus on her own experiences and how her community moved past her kidnapping but won't discuss Jayme's abduction, Fitzgerald said. Patterson's court case is still pending and any comments Smart makes about Jayme could be used in the proceedings.”

So... that implies ES will meet with JC? Otherwise I don’t see how ES’s comments could be used in court proceedings. She’d just be another expert outsider stating an opinion. Opinions in media are not generally used in court.

On another note, I love that ES is offering her insight & experience to this community. I can’t think of a finer example of overcoming great horror to thrive & contribute to this needy world.

 

[SkipperKey3]

Interesting...
“Smart will focus on her own experiences and how her community moved past her kidnapping but won't discuss Jayme's abduction, Fitzgerald said. Patterson's court case is still pending and any comments Smart makes about Jayme could be used in the proceedings.”

So... that implies ES will meet with JC? Otherwise I don’t see how ES’s comments could be used in court proceedings. She’d just be another expert outsider stating an opinion. Opinions in media are not generally used in court.

On another note, I love that ES is offering her insight & experience to this community. I can’t think of a finer example of overcoming great horror to thrive & contribute to this needy world.

Whether or not ES meets with JC depends, I imagine, entirely on JC. She needs to heal, but at her own pace. It may be too early for her yet. Or she may feel she wants to be with another survivor. It all depends on JC. No need to push her. She needs a lot of time. And quite often it takes small steps.

 

[human]

It sounds like the community is still freaked out. I think that ES coming would have been discussed with the different family members and Jayme.

I think ES is obviously sensitive and I think the community is sensitive to Jayme

 

[Damarna]

'I can’t believe I did this' | Accused Jayme Closs kidnapper writes letter from jail

( Sent from KARE 11 )

 

[Ragnarok]

'I can’t believe I did this' | Accused Jayme Closs kidnapper writes letter from jail

( Sent from KARE 11 )

Hope he's honest about pleading guilty. Time will tell. Interesting his thoughts on LE.