AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #11

[Cardinal47]

I dont discount anyone's age. Anyone is capable of doing something like this and age doesnt preclude them from doing it.

The age could be from teens to their 60s. No one really knows. It could even be a female involved. We dont know what we dont know yet.

If age stopped someone from doing murders like this then our prison inmates going in would only be teens or those in their 20s. Sadly that is not the case.

This wasnt hard to do. He eliminated his biggest threat immediately. Denise and Jayme were at his mercy.

Jmo

How very true. There is no age on evil. It's everywhere.

I do think, if the door was kicked in, it had to be somebody with some strength and wearing some big KA boots!

 

[Atoz]

At the same time - DNA can be matched to someone - with no previous criminal history if it matched crime scene DNA. Match - bingo.

Rapist, who have never raped before have been identified this way.

Yep. It's being used frequently in the UK to finally catch up with killers from decades ago.

 

[human]

Not at all. The odds are against he

Here is a picture from Google street view taken sometime in the past. Blinds look askew.

Google Maps

Looks like a lot of traffic on that road including truck traffic.

I wonder if there is someone that drives that way everyday and may have seen Jayme get off or on the bus everyday.

The placement of the mailbox is strange. I wonder how the mail carrier accesses it.

I wonder how Jayme go to school Did she wait all by herself for the bus on that busy road?

 

[Zella]

I go back and forth on the age of the perp/perps.

On one hand, I do think the level of aggression and just sheer brazenness of it could indicate a younger person. But I think whoever did this was pretty confident and also apparently experienced enough not to leave blatant clues behind, which suggests it wasn't impulsive and was preplanned, and that makes me think it is a somewhat older person. I honestly don't know.

I also think there could be more than 1 person involved, and that could further muddy the profiles. Maybe one is more of a planner and the other is more of a doer. (Makes me think of In Cold Blood, with one orchestrating and instigating and the other being more active in carrying it out.)

 

[BB71]

One thing that bothers me is the dog. Why was the dog not barking or attacking? To me this means whoever the perp was, the person is well known to the family. Hope they find her soon.

Good point. Even though Molly was a tiny mop of a dog.
LE must know ID of caller as their prints would be on DC’s phone.

 

[bizzle2]

ERT means either "emergency response team" or "evidence response team". CFS is "Child and Family Services". Whenever there is a "serious incident" and child is involved they have to file documentation of the incident with CFS. In this case, when they find Jayme and if she's alive there are going to be issues of custodial care, treatment of any injuries, assessments, placement, etc. So this is required by law to file to address those issues.

Not sure about the CFS part. That part of the dispatch log is prior to LE even finding the second body. That seems awfully early to be thinking about calling family services.

 

[Songbird1973]

Same argument though, unless the family member is on file. DNA is a great tool for determining if someone was there or not, but its not ideal for identifying unknown persons unless they have a history.

The New York Times recently reported that most (at least 60%) of white Americans can be identified in current DNA databases, with that number reaching 90% in 2-3 years. It's more a question of whether privacy laws will be enacted to prevent such matching for Law Enforcement purposes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...ence/science-genetic-genealogy-study.amp.html

 

[foodsmart4]

News conference link please?

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Good point. Even though Molly was a tiny mop of a dog.
LE must know ID of caller as their prints would be on DC’s phone.

Could the dog have been in a crate? MOO

 

[BB71]

It would have been in the obit so I don't think so.

Both had previous marriages (read here).

 

[andreww]

(Makes me think of In Cold Blood, with one orchestrating and instigating and the other being more active in carrying it out.)

Great movie. And Ironic that Robert Blake would eventually be jailed for murder.

 

[Cardinal47]

One thing that bothers me is the dog. Why was the dog not barking or attacking? To me this means whoever the perp was, the person is well known to the family. Also I hope they have cameras 4 minutes out in every direction, which I think may be how they nailed down the cars? All this is just my opinion. Hope they find her soon.

How do we know the dog wasn't barking. That had to be one loud scene with shots being fired and people screaming Help. I'm sure the dog was going nuts but nobody heard anything.

 

[JohnTate90210]

Speaking of cars and garages, I've only noticed one vehicle at the Closs house that would appear to be a family car. The white one parked at the garage doors. I'd tend to guess they had a second vehicle. Parked inside? Perhaps if James came home late he parked outside since garage door openers can be rather noisy and wake up people. That leads to the possibility that somebody inside may not have realized he had arrived home, too.

 

[Zella]

Great movie. And Ironic that Robert Blake would eventually be jailed for murder.

Yes, it is superb! As is the book. Both are a personal favorite.

 

[CuriousMaine]

News conference link please?

This station has a link: UPDATE: News conference scheduled in Barron Co. after day of searching in Closs case

Note: I believe it'll start in an hour @ 4 PM central time.

 

[human]

DNA is useless unless the perp had previously been involved in some kind of crime that would require him giving a sample. Very few people have their DNA on file.

Geneaology site gives up potential relatives. Great tool

 

[MsBetsy]

So do they still need more owners to come forward after clearing some people with similar vehicles?

Maybe. It sounds like the drivers or vehicles that were seen at that time are not accounted for, or maybe only one was identified and cleared.( the one from the factory) So it seems they are still looking for any information about the drivers who were in the area. If they can at least eliminate one particular car, they can narrow it down. But then again, if they are looking for witnesses who may have driven by and seen something, if the owners of those vehicles are cleared and did not see anything, then they are back to square one. Does that make sense? I think I confused myself trying to explain what I mean.

 

[foodsmart4]

This station has a link: UPDATE: News conference scheduled in Barron Co. after day of searching in Closs case

Note: I believe it'll start in an hour @ 4m central time.

Oh, duh. I'm dumb and assume everything is on EST. Thank you! Also hi, finally came out of lurking.

 

[human]

Speaking of cars and garages, I've only noticed one vehicle at the Closs house that would appear to be a family car. The white one parked at the garage doors. I'd tend to guess they had a second vehicle. Parked inside? Perhaps if James came home late he parked outside since garage door openers can be rather noisy and wake up people. That leads to the possibility that somebody inside may not have realized he had arrived home, too.

Is the red truck James’s?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Looks like a lot of traffic on that road including truck traffic.

I wonder if there is someone that drives that way everyday and may have seen Jayme get off or on the bus everyday.

The placement of the mailbox is strange. I wonder how the mail carrier accesses it.

I wonder how Jayme go to school Did she wait all by herself for the bus on that busy road?

If you go to Wisconsin DOT interactive map of average daily traffic you will find that if you go to Barron that US 8 (east/west) near the Closs home has an average of 6400 vehicles per day pass by. The road to the east of their home (13th Street - runs north/south) gets 510 vehicles per day going to the north.

(Enter the Closs address in the address field and hit search)
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