AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

[Charliegizmo49]

Can I just say that from my own experience of being dispatched to an incident via the Police radio, you have to take what is initially on the dispatch log for 911 with a pinch of salt. I say this because from my personal perspective and that of my colleagues, attending incidents in inner city Liverpool U.K. , you don’t really know what you have in front of you when you first arrive at scene and it can be a minute or two for you to realise what’s happened or what you think you are dealing with. All the while transmitting this information over the radio . And then the officer who inputs the information on the computer log is literally transcribing as quickly as possible, the information that you are passing, but from their own perspective and using their own words and terminology. At the same time of doing this, they are also making contact with a supervisory officer, the Detective dept , the Area commander ( or whoever is in charge of that Policing area to update them of a potential serious situation that requires a strategy to deal with the media and enquiries from the Prime Minister Office ) , ascertaining who the SIO is and calling them out, calling out Forensic teams, calling out Search trained and armed response officers ( UK cops are not routinely armed with guns ), obtaining previous incident data for the address , making initial contact with Mobile phone providers that there is an incident commenced that may need real time input ) , and tasking the Force Intelligence Unit to obtain recent information from all the Force systems of intelligence re the address attended
All this is going on at super speed and it’s only a couple of operators along with the Forve Incident Commander, doing all of these initial actions to get the ball rolling. And as I said before, this is all being done whilst communicating over the Police radio with attending officers AND updating the log ( 999 or 911 record ). So you really can’t put too much thought into what was said by whom or what instruction given at what time or when the reason for attendance code / title was changed and by whom or who was in the house and now appears to be missing. All this information gathering is taking place in real time and bring actioned accordingly and the operator is run ragged at this point and high on adrenaline trying
to fulfill a checklist of what needs implementing and updating it all on the computer. So he answered the door becomes he’s at the foot of the door or his feet are out of the door or the door has been kicked in, no not kicked from my perspective, it’s been shot in etc etc etc
If you get my inference?
That’s why when a case finally goes before the Court, the initial log of call and the information thats then inputted can be a huge source of confusion leading the defence to create huge reasonable doubt among a jury straight away as if the initial call info isn’t clear as to what’s what and what happened then how can LE be sure of anything. It’s s typical defence strategy to attack policy and procedures rather than evidence in the U.K. although they do attack the evidence chain too.
I hope this helps you understand all the different information first released .

Thank you. Great explanation.

 

[KLM6]

I have to say that while I understand the investgation team downsizing, its a little bittersweet. I feel like if Jayme has any access whatsoever to any news source that this would make her feel like they are giving up on her. On the flip side, I hope it does make the responsible party feel that way so maybe they will start making dumb mistakes. I feel confident they are keeping enough people on the case to keep it moving, and I suspect those being let go came in for specific assistance during the overload of evidence, forensics, processing, etc. so it makes sense. Still praying for Jaymes safe return.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Oh gosh. I really really wish that would stop. They have no purpose here. Imo

Thanks for enlightening me.

That's the very way rumors morph into facts. Sigh

Imo

Thank you Oceanblueeyes for being an incredible victim’s advocate and reminding us all to not get too freewheelin’ with our speculations, if it could hurt the family.

God Bless, you rock!

 

[MassGuy]

I have to say that while I understand the investgation team downsizing, its a little bittersweet. I feel like if Jayme has any access whatsoever to any news source that this would make her feel like they are giving up on her. On the flip side, I hope it does make the responsible party feel that way so maybe they will start making dumb mistakes. I feel confident they are keeping enough people on the case to keep it moving, and I suspect those being let go came in for specific assistance during the overload of evidence, forensics, processing, etc. so it makes sense. Still praying for Jaymes safe return.

Agreed. There are certain things that are especially time critical in a case like this. You need bodies in order to canvas the area, search for clues, follow up on tips, and interview potential witnesses.

At a certain point, all of these things are completed to a certain point.

Now it’s a matter of waiting for forensic analysis of the crime scene, and analyzing digital evidence.

Those things require less people.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Has the C extended family or LE stated the time that DC/Jayme left the family gathering?

Has LE stated DC/Jayme were seen on camera anywhere between the family gathering and the C home? Any receipts in DC car or handbag?

Do we know what time DC/Jayme arrived home?
Could the perp(s) been waiting for them in
JMO and wondering

No on all but last idea. Anything’s possible.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Agreed. There are certain things that are especially time critical in a case like this. You need bodies in order to canvas the area, search for clues, follow up on tips, and interview potential witnesses.

At a certain point, all of these things are completed to a certain point.

Now it’s a matter of waiting for forensic analysis of the crime scene, and analyzing digital evidence.

Those things require less people.

Agreed. There are certain things that are especially time critical in a case like this. You need bodies in order to canvas the area, search for clues, follow up on tips, and interview potential witnesses.

At a certain point, all of these things are completed to a certain point.

Now it’s a matter of waiting for forensic analysis of the crime scene, and analyzing digital evidence.

Those things require less people.

All good points. In addition those experts are in high demand and needed at another crime scene.

 

[pepper 34]

Thanks pepper. I thought the post in question was made today.

It did come up today. I was just saying the subject had come up before and I wasn't sure which time it came up that caused it to come up again... today's or "way back when's" ... because I wasn't following the comments on that subject very closely. I guess I've assumed that CPS might have to be notified because Jayme is missing and I supposed someone in the family might have to become her legal guardian even though she is missing but, since I've read nothing official about CPS being involved before she went missing; I have to skim over that. (I have enough trouble keeping track of everything we can consider.)

 

[BB71]

I did not hear that they were outside with the dog. Is there a video? I saw the video on Daily Mail about 1:12 seconds in and he is stating that he was falling asleep when she woke him up and asked if that was gunshots. Is that a legit site?

They got home at 11:30. Were in bed but not asleep by 12:15. Heard shots at 12:30-12:31.
Husband who has trouble sleeping was out at boat at 1 am. Dog was alerting “lightly” to something.

Source: CNN interview dated Oct. 17 posted earlier in this thread

 

[KLM6]

Agreed. There are certain things that are especially time critical in a case like this. You need bodies in order to canvas the area, search for clues, follow up on tips, and interview potential witnesses.

At a certain point, all of these things are completed to a certain point.

Now it’s a matter of waiting for forensic analysis of the crime scene, and analyzing digital evidence.

Those things require less people.

How long do the forensics tests typically take? I realize some probably take longer than others. But Im curious if/when any of these (or potential clues from these) would be coming back?

 

[cody22]

Someone erroneously stated that the "CFS" on the dispatch log meant "Children and Family Services." It does not. CFS stands for Call For Services and it is how LE logs the response to each 911 call.

When you call 911, you are calling for services. It is assigned a CFS number and dispatch will log who was sent out, what happened, and how the call was resolved.

Thank you for sharing this info.

 

[BB71]

Yes, I don't think there is any indication that they are "shady." Maybe just a little confused or at least not very observant. Maybe they meant they never knew they had a child until the last few years. They did say they thought they lived there for seven years. Maybe they never noticed Jayme until she started school. I think it's just a matter of either poor reporting or communication problems. I certainly did not get the impression that they are shady. Jmo

Realty records show the Closs’ bought the property in 2001.
Source: posted in earlier thread
(WI land records would also list this info)

 

[Charliegizmo49]

https://gizmodo.com/5795861/how-the-police-get-your-phone-records

In order to convince AT&T, Verizon, or whoever to cough up someone's mobile phone tracks, cops need to present something approved by a judge. Basic account information like name, address, and credit card can be obtained with a subpoena. Anything beyond that, and the judge approved thing comes in two standard forms: a court order or a warrant. To get an order, law enforcement needs to prove that a certain record is relevant and material to an ongoing investigation. Getting a warrant, on the other hand, requires probable cause. The latter needs more proof that the data is worth getting (read: harder for the cops) than the former. Simple, right?

But here's where it gets tricky, says the Santa Clara Law Review: "As one court has appropriately observed, "the recently minted standard of electronic communication via emails, text messages, and other means opens a new frontier in Fourth Amendment [the right against unreasonable searches and seizures] jurisprudence that has been little explored." You see what that is? It's a shoulder shrug-a we have no idea where all this new stuff stands. So on a state level, the courts don't always agree what a judge should approve for a certain piece of information. Real time location tracking of a cell phone by law enforcement, for instance, has courts split. "Some say that the government needs a warrant and probable cause to track this kind of information," explains Catherine Crump, an attorney at the ACLU, "others have held that they need to meet the lower relevant and material standard."

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On top of that, not all cell phone data is created equal. Text messages newer than 180 days? Probable cause and a warrant. Text messages older than 180 days? Relevant and material for an order. What's the difference, you ask? Well, this new fangled cell phone business doesn't come bundled with an updated set of standards, so the government has been forcing twenty first century technologies into a decades-old framework. The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986-the year of IBM's first laptop computer-is one of these. Long long ago, checking your email meant that you had to download it. Leaving your email with a provider of a "remote computing service," for, say, 180 days, implied that you didn't want it. But that was then. Now, we leave years of email in the cloud. (Thanks, Gmail, for the 7575.950349 megabytes of free storage-and counting—btw.) Text messages-presumably because they're also messages with text—have been lumped in the same category. The government can obtain anything older than six months by proving that it's relevant. "Even if these rules once made sense, they are woefully outdated today," says Crump.

Let's break it down: Typically, outgoing and incoming telephone numbers, email and texts over 180 days old, and historical location records can be obtained with a court order. Precise real time cell tracking, email or text messages sent within the last six months, and the physical search and seizure of a phone some courts have held require a warrant and probable cause.

Which brings us around to the detailed location history that the iPhone keeps of its user. Because that data is stored on the phone and on the computers that the phone is synched to, cops would have to physically search your phone and computer. That type of thing requires probable cause, which is tough. Law enforcement would be better off just getting a court order for historical location records. The records kept by your cell service provider seem to raise much bigger issues about privacy.

But for now, keeping our digital footprint safe just means avoiding phone calls we might later regret.

Thanks. Awesome post. You might also tell everyone in some states LE can, examine your phone AND read texts numbers etc without that magical paper called a warrant.

 

[MassGuy]

How long do the forensics tests typically take? I realize some probably take longer than others. But Im curious if/when any of these (or potential clues from these) would be coming back?

It all depends on what the evidence is, and the backlog that a particular lab is dealing with.

I tend to believe that if there was some obvious DNA evidence left by the killer, it would have been tested in the very early days of this investigation.

There is a life hanging in the balance.

 

[BB71]

Another way to look at this is maybe now they found the devices they were interested in and are accessing them finally. Or. They obtained warrants to access cloud or online accounts etc.

In CNN interview Oct 17
Fitzgerald said he had all the devices he needed.

 

[kay74]

Hi kay74- if you're looking to submit a tip related to JLC's disappearance, it'd be worth trying the tip email again, to see if it goes through. I'd imagine that'd be the best method since it appears to be a dedicated email for JLC's case.

The email: [email protected]

If not, here's the contact form I believe you may be looking for. bbm

I sent in a tip on this link and the Sheriff's link. I am so worried about that little girl. I hope we all keep praying for her AND whoever has her.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Would LE be allowed to get a warrant to see the phone number of all phones that pinged in the area around that tine


I cannot remember the case, but a woman was missing or near death and the cell phone data could not be retrieved in time. I think she was with a killer. Was it Iowa or Missouri. A law was made in her name to get data if there is a known crime.

Aren’t I a fount of clear info? I wonder what happened to that law and if it was for the state only.

I know some people are adamant that there should not be such a broad reach.

If phone companies are private businesses and you go into partnership with them by having a phone, then I would think the business would set the parameters.

So frustrating to know there may be info out there. Until the perps are caught, everyone is at risk, I feel

In as much as I love and respect the law, and trust me I do, I think that in times of an emergency or crime, medical providers and LE should have limited access to phones and records. Immediately. In most of these cases it’s to late, but in that one single exception I think yes, give them every tool possible to save someone.

 

[Jabarn]

I am having a hard time finding the article that described how law enforcement was looking at the pings from other cell phones in the area at the time of the crime
(not the phone the 911 call was made from Denise’s phone). Seems like a good investigatory path.

Can anyone link that?

Some other information about the crime being scaled back from a ground search that might support this (makes sense more tactical investigation techniques would be considered since nothing has been found in the area).

Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald said in a Facebook post that the search for Jayme remains his number one priority and authorities will continue to analyze new leads. But he said incoming tips have declined, so authorities are transitioning from a round-the-clock reactive operation to a more methodical investigative approach.

Ground search for missing Barron County girl scaled back

Fitzgerald said he is convinced that “there is something out there” that can lead to find Jayme, given all the digital breadcrumbs in this world from smartphones, the internet and video surveillance.

“We’re in this digital world, and we just can’t get it,” the sheriff said, adding that he and others in this effort to find Jayme start every day with that thought.

Authorities shift from 24/7 effort to 'methodical' effort to find Jayme Closs

Thoughts that the offender’s cell could be identified in the area at the time of the crime, and at least the leads narrowed?

Interesting articles:

Locating Mobile Phones through Pinging and Triangulation

and

http://q985online.com/illinois-and-wisconsin-police-may-be-listening-to-your-cell-phone-calls/

 

[MsBetsy]

They got home at 11:30. Were in bed but not asleep by 12:15. Heard shots at 12:30-12:31.
Husband who has triuble sleeping was out at boat at 1 am. Dog was alerting “lightly” to something.

Source: CNN interview dated Oct. 17 posted earlier in this thread

I think that was cleared up. It was a typo.. It's meant to say ' about 1:00 am. He was in bed, not outside. Jmo

 

[KLM6]

It all depends on what the evidence is, and the backlog that a particular lab is dealing with.

I tend to believe that if there was some obvious DNA evidence left by the killer, it would have been tested in the very early days of this investigation.

There is a life hanging in the balance.

Im impatiently waiting. I also wish they would release the 911 call, but Im betting we wont hear that for awhile, if ever. But...I AM glad you changed your tagline so I can sleep better tonight. Ha. That made me laugh when I noticed it. Some cases Ive followed defintely make me check my doors, windows, and every corner before I turn off the lights. It plays tricks on the mind for sure, if you let it.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Oh gosh. I really really wish that would stop. They have no purpose here. Imo

Thanks for enlightening me.

That's the very way rumors morph into facts. Sigh

Imo

Sorry you are still dealing with everything. I know you asked for updates. Tricia gave another warning about rumors and apologies if another poster provided this for you already. From today:Barron County Sheriff's Department