AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

[Mica]

I wanted the sheriff's anonymous email tipline. I should have said that sorry. I got it on here a couple days ago. I don't like calling, Id rather email

How about this link...

http://barronsheriff.org/contact-us/

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

It seems to imply there may have been call to CPS , possibly called family and children services in that area. I don't see any reason that anyone would think this. There is no evidence to support it and it would have been checked out at the very beginning of the investigation. Jmo

Thank You.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I thought this speculation came up many threads ago having to do with an acronym that was on the 911 call list of entries IIRC. It was never proved or disproved and eventually dropped from discussion.

Thanks pepper. I thought the post in question was made today.

 

[Le Singe]

May I ask what this is all about? Tia

I havent seen anything that would remotely support DFC being called on this family about anything.

The police said clearly they have never been called about this family for anything.

Do you have a valid link to back any of this up or is it just your opinion? Sorry I'm just confused where all of this is coming from. Tia

Imo

it's wild speculation relating to a IMO ridiculous facebook rumor someone brought over earlier today.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

it's wild speculation relating to a IMO ridiculous facebook rumor someone brought over earlier today.

Grrrrr

 

[human]

Would LE be allowed to get a warrant to see the phone number of all phones that pinged in the area around that tine

That’s up to a judge, and depends on the case made. There are other ways to track devices besides cell tower data, but would require assistance from the phone manufacturers which can be more difficult due to rigid privacy concerns. The line between privacy and safety is blurred, and our laws need to catch up to support these type of law enforcement investigations. Technology is great, but can be a show stopper unless LE can quickly access that info. Maybe a “Jamye’s law“ could be pushed through Congress to allow LE immediate access to the phone records of any minor missing. Hmmm...

Amateur opinion and speculation

I cannot remember the case, but a woman was missing or near death and the cell phone data could not be retrieved in time. I think she was with a killer. Was it Iowa or Missouri. A law was made in her name to get data if there is a known crime.

Aren’t I a fount of clear info? I wonder what happened to that law and if it was for the state only.

I know some people are adamant that there should not be such a broad reach.

If phone companies are private businesses and you go into partnership with them by having a phone, then I would think the business would set the parameters.

So frustrating to know there may be info out there. Until the perps are caught, everyone is at risk, I feel

 

[oceanblueeyes]

it's wild speculation relating to a IMO ridiculous facebook rumor someone brought over earlier today.

Oh gosh. I really really wish that would stop. They have no purpose here. Imo

Thanks for enlightening me.

That's the very way rumors morph into facts. Sigh

Imo

 

[pepper 34]

That’s up to a judge, and depends on the case made. There are other ways to track devices besides cell tower data, but would require assistance from the phone manufacturers which can be more difficult due to rigid privacy concerns. The line between privacy and safety is blurred, and our laws need to catch up to support these type of law enforcement investigations. Technology is great, but can be a show stopper unless LE can quickly access that info. Maybe a “Jamye’s law“ could be pushed through Congress to allow LE immediate access to the phone records of any minor missing. Hmmm...

Amateur opinion and speculation

I couldn't agree with you more. In cases like this where a minor is missing and endangered, this "privacy" issue is overreach imo. Minors can't legally enter into a contract with adults. All records should be turned over immediately upon request in an emergency order from a judge made familiar with the circumstances by LE. (They got their Amber Alert with FBI assist.) Sometimes you just have to do what's right and in the best interest of a child in spite of privacy laws. It could mean the difference between life or death.

 

[human]

If it helps, I sent in an orange with black stripes on the IL/MO line. It had IL plates which wouldnt be unusual in WI, even though Im down near St Louis which is pretty far from Barron. It felt weird, and I certainly dont want to waste their time, but it was you and all of those here encouraging you to call it in that made me do it. It seems like a long shot to me, but we just dont know. So if you feel alone, dont, cause now Im an amateurish cringe right along with you and I know what that feels like.

They even want to know if someone sees a half eaten hamburger so thanks for calling it in

 

[rainynights]

Danny Spewak on Twitter | 5:36 PM (CDT) - 1 Nov 2018

Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald says 24-7 command center operations are ending in the Jayme Closs case, but state and federal investigators continue to follow all leads from their home offices. @kare11

(*video of Sheriff at link)

 

[Alethea]

It seems to imply there may have been a call to CPS , possibly called family and children services in that area. I don't see any reason that anyone would think this. There is no evidence to support it and it would have been checked out at the very beginning of the investigation. Jmo

Someone erroneously stated that the "CFS" on the dispatch log meant "Children and Family Services." It does not. CFS stands for Call For Services and it is how LE logs the response to each 911 call.

When you call 911, you are calling for services. It is assigned a CFS number and dispatch will log who was sent out, what happened, and how the call was resolved.

 

[MsBetsy]

I thought this speculation came up many threads ago having to do with an acronym that was on the 911 call list of entries IIRC. It was never proved or disproved and eventually dropped from discussion.

Maybe it had something to do with one of the agencies they contacted to get help trying to issue the Amber Alert. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Someone erroneously stated that the "CFS" on the dispatch log meant "Children and Family Services." It does not. CFS stands for Call For Services and it is how LE logs the response to each 911 call.

When you call 911, you are calling for services. It is assigned a CFS number and dispatch will log who was sent out, what happened, and how the call was resolved.

Wow. Thanks for the clarification as to where that came from.

 

[MsBetsy]

Someone erroneously stated that the "CFS" on the dispatch log meant "Children and Family Services." It does not. CFS stands for Call For Services and it is how LE logs the response to each 911 call.

When you call 911, you are calling for services. It is assigned a CFS number and dispatch will log who was sent out, what happened, and how the call was resolved.

Got it. I thought maybe someone was thinking there was a call to Child Protective Services or whatever is equivalent but now I see where that idea may have come from.

 

[elektroangel]

Amazon isn’t a phone company.

It’s completely standard for LE to obtain phone records with a warrant.

From what I can find, it can take days or weeks in many cases.

I doubt they had to wait as long in this case.

Still privacy laws.
Amazon won’t back down from a fight with the police over recordings that could help to solve a murder

 

[elektroangel]

Would LE be allowed to get a warrant to see the phone number of all phones that pinged in the area around that tine


I cannot remember the case, but a woman was missing or near death and the cell phone data could not be retrieved in time. I think she was with a killer. Was it Iowa or Missouri. A law was made in her name to get data if there is a known crime.

Aren’t I a fount of clear info? I wonder what happened to that law and if it was for the state only.

I know some people are adamant that there should not be such a broad reach.

If phone companies are private businesses and you go into partnership with them by having a phone, then I would think the business would set the parameters.

So frustrating to know there may be info out there. Until the perps are caught, everyone is at risk, I feel

I remember this!! I think it was Sprint who wouldn't give it up too.

 

[WiseOwl]

Danny Spewak on Twitter | 5:36 PM (CDT) - 1 Nov 2018

Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald says 24-7 command center operations are ending in the Jayme Closs case, but state and federal investigators continue to follow all leads from their home offices. @kare11

(*video of Sheriff at link)

Like everyone else i hope this case is resolved before too long. Not only for James, Denise and Jayme's family and friends sake but also for Sheriff Fitzgerald. He is putting his heart and soul into this case and he deserves some luck with it. I think he is a top bloke.

 

[MassGuy]

Like everyone else i hope this case is resolved before too long. Not only for James, Denise and Jayme's family and friends sake but also for Sheriff Fitzgerald. He is putting his heart and soul into this case and he deserves some luck with it. I think he is a top bloke.

Absolutely agree. If this case isn’t solved soon, or solved at all, it won’t be for lack of trying.

 

[KLM6]

Hi kay74- if you're looking to submit a tip related to JLC's disappearance, it'd be worth trying the tip email again, to see if it goes through. I'd imagine that'd be the best method since it appears to be a dedicated email for JLC's case.

The email: [email protected]

If not, here's the contact form I believe you may be looking for. bbm

The link worked for me. ETA I used the jaymetips one.

Would LE be allowed to get a warrant to see the phone number of all phones that pinged in the area around that tine


I cannot remember the case, but a woman was missing or near death and the cell phone data could not be retrieved in time. I think she was with a killer. Was it Iowa or Missouri. A law was made in her name to get data if there is a known crime.

Aren’t I a fount of clear info? I wonder what happened to that law and if it was for the state only.

I know some people are adamant that there should not be such a broad reach.

If phone companies are private businesses and you go into partnership with them by having a phone, then I would think the business would set the parameters.

So frustrating to know there may be info out there. Until the perps are caught, everyone is at risk, I feel

Kelsey Smith? If so, that was Kansas. And the law unfortunately didnt pass. The Supreme Court however did just pass a law this year requiring a warrant from police to obtain cell phone records. I dont recall all the details but I do know a warrant is required.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Just checking in. Still following daily. Discouraged the tips have slowed & the team is downsizing. Can’t put into words how much I hope this does not become another cold, unsolved case. This family deserves justice. As do other unsolved cases, of course.