AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #18

[human]

There's a Barron city water waste department. I'd wager that house is on city water/sewer.

Someone looked at a document, maybe assessor?, that shows they have a septic.

 

[chihuahua]

It looks like snow showers are going to set in for Barron by Wednesday.
This is all so sad, unnecessary and troubling on the deepest level.
If anyone knows anything, do the right thing.
There's always time even if this girl is gone from this life.
Her family needs it.
They deserve answers.
It isn't going to just go away.
Chi

 

[duckduck]

Trying to rack my brain for anything new to say, but was thinking about a post earlier that mention the possibility that Jayme ran and someone "safe" might be hiding her. But then, I was wondering who might that be. Then I realized that while we have heard from very few of Jayme's family, the only ones (that I know of) that have spoken have come from her mom's side of the family. It looks like James has quite a few surviving relatives as well. It also looks like both James and Denise had quite a few siblings which indicate large extended families, which may make some sort of "underground railroad" possible?

Why would someone continue to hide Jayme if she did run?
-Protect Jayme from still at large perp
-Protect parent's memory/reputation if they were the targets
-Anything else?

Hope this at least provides some new talking points. And if this has been rehashed in prior threads, I apologize. This thread has gotten quite voluminous. All of this is jmo and I am not in anyway implicating Jayme's family in this.

 

[Jbetty567]

I think the guy had a planned hiding place where he is keeping her, like with the girl in the storage container Shayla Brown, or like Eliz Smart. It’s a shed or basement or old mine shack or something similar, very isolated. As someone else said, ir doesn’t make sense to go to all the trouble and planning just to rape and murder her.

 

[Bugurl747]

You may be right but I hope not. Possibly she was taken as a perverted child bride and the perp wants to keep her alive. There are hundreds of remote farmsteads/homesteads in that area where she may be held prisoner. Even though "he" (they?) killed her parents, it's possible he's trying to be nice to her and win her over. Isn't that called Stockholm syndrone?

Why go to the lengths of murder if one only wanted a child bride? One could find plenty of opportunities to find an easy victim, IMO.

 

[human]

For anyone interested in the number and location of homes surrounding the Closs home, this is a good map showing each address in the Barron Township.

The first "hyway 8" icon to the left of Barron is the exact location of the Closs home.

http://www.co.barron.wi.us/address_maps/town_barron.pdf

Ugh. It is blocked in my country!

 

[SandyQLS]

It is entirely possible to have 'city' public utility water and be on septic.

 

[margarita25]

I would think there are some things , though, because of the weapon, kicking in the door, the crime scene , that indicate a personality type.

I would think that perhaps the level has increased and it indicates a type of person who has done another type of crime.

For instance, it seems that many mass shooters have DV in their backgrounds. So do elements of this crime have precursors?

Good thoughts, human.

So if we were to hypothetically try to profile the potential suspect(s) what would we say?

What stand out to me is brazenness, initially. That’s where I’ll start. It would be very interesting to hear what we can possibly assume about the killer(s) profile wise based on the factual information we have at hand.

I would say possible history of breaking and entering. Idk..

(Man, this is harder than I thought!)

Need some to time to think about this! (Wait I think we’ve had enough time.)

 

[Gardener1850]

Been wracking my brain, trying to figure how not only one (quite distinctive muscle car, but another regular everyday car) could disappear so quick.
Here's what I have so far.
1: maybe hiden in an auto body shop.
2: could be someone with a garage, and under the table business, car painting, detailing, soupING up,or moding type thing.
3: the cars are hidden in a storage unit.
4: it could be a car hobbyist, collector, with multi car garage.

5. Cars were stolen from another state and dumped in a body of water as soon as crime was completed? With two people they could easily accomplish that-- dump the one that had Jayme in it first (I'm thinking the Challenger since it has a trunk), then go get your own car and get rid of the 2nd stolen car somewhere else...

 

[Falcon500]

"Unprotected species (as well as coyote, fox and raccoon) may be hunted without shooting hour restrictions" (except deer season.) from page 10 of: https://dnr.wi.gov/files/pdf/pubs/wm/wm0430.pdf

Page 3 explains what are unprotected species.

Page 20 also talks about landowners.

Strangely I have never thought Jayme had anything at all to do with all of this.
Usually in a case where a young girl runs something breaks. A Walmart shot of buying hair dye, an ID at a FF restaurant or LE is putting up BOTLO for and a description. I know there are posters and billboards but I think that's SOP!

With that said what 13 year old girl. Much loved and tended to by her mother and probably dad too since she was their one and only meets up on the internet a guy that comes to the home at 12:30 PM guns blazing and breaks down the door, kills two human beings, rapes the girl and takes her with him to avoid leaving DNA (that's my own opinion..not a fact).

With that said nary a word or sighting or whisper about Jayme anywhere. Police all over this USA have her in sights but nothing.
Four girls taken and never heard of again have been returned and that's rare. We all know their names. Dugard, Smart, Hernandez and the Cleveland three.

Most others have met the same fate at Mollie Tibbetts. We just haven't found them yet.

You would be surprised. On Wednesday I attended a briefing on a 40 year old cold case at a 1200 member department on the east coast. Not one officer/detectives had ever heard of this case.

Don’t assume that the details of every notorious case filters down to the worker .

 

[margarita25]

I think the guy had a planned hiding place where he is keeping her, like with the girl in the storage container Shayla Brown, or like Eliz Smart. It’s a shed or basement or old mine shack or something similar, very isolated. As someone else said, ir doesn’t make sense to go to all the trouble and planning just to rape and murder her.

This is just so awful to think about.
I think it’s important to keep in mind that this is a real possibility, because this wasn’t your usual abduction of a minor where stats they say they are usually dead within a few hours.

Where are you Jayme?!

 

[Bugurl747]

I think the guy had a planned hiding place where he is keeping her, like with the girl in the storage container Shayla Brown, or like Eliz Smart. It’s a shed or basement or old mine shack or something similar, very isolated. As someone else said, ir doesn’t make sense to go to all the trouble and planning just to rape and murder her.

Over the last week thinking about Jayme, I can't help but think of the novel by Alice Sebold, The Lovely Bones.

It is the story of a teenage girl who, after being raped and murdered, watches from her personal Heaven as her family and friends struggle to move on with their lives while she comes to terms with her own death.

 

[Falcon500]

You would be surprised. On Wednesday I attended a briefing on a 40 year old cold case at a 1200 member department on the east coast. Not one officer/detectives had ever heard of this case.

Don’t assume that the details of every notorious case filters down to the worker bees. .

 

[margarita25]

You would be surprised. On Wednesday I attended a briefing on a 40 year old cold case at a 1200 member department on the east coast. Not one officer/detectives had ever heard of this case.

Don’t assume that the details of every notorious case filters down to the worker .

Our late great member @Foxfire used to talk about “jurisdictional blindness” that can sometimes occur; I must admit though, Falcon, I am still surprised to hear this, considering the agencies involved, etc.

 

[Le Singe]

What do I type into you tube - the victim surname?

try full name david grunwald.

 

[charminglane]

Trying to rack my brain for anything new to say, but was thinking about a post earlier that mention the possibility that Jayme ran and someone "safe" might be hiding her. But then, I was wondering who might that be. Then I realized that while we have heard from very few of Jayme's family, the only ones (that I know of) that have spoken have come from her mom's side of the family. It looks like James has quite a few surviving relatives as well. It also looks like both James and Denise had quite a few siblings which indicate large extended families, which may make some sort of "underground railroad" possible?

Why would someone continue to hide Jayme if she did run?
-Protect Jayme from perp
-Protect parents memory/reputation if they were the targets
-Anything else

Hope this at least provides some new talking points. And if this has been rehashed in prior threads, I apologize. This thread has gotten quite voluminous.

This could also be retaliation against another family member.
Think outside the box/3 person family.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

5. Cars were stolen from another state and dumped in a body of water as soon as crime was completed? With two people they could easily accomplish that-- dump the one that had Jayme in it first (I'm thinking the Challenger since it has a trunk), then go get your own car and get rid of the 2nd stolen car somewhere else...

Ughhhhhhh. Another good one. Hope it's not that though. How aweful. Holding out hope that Jayme is still alive.

 

[ThaiBali]

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No. And since I am not an attorney I don’t know every thought on keeping things close to the vest.

But common sense tells me to apply everything I learned in my political career.

As smart as one believes themselves to be, regarding any issue or procedure, there are 5 people out there smarter than you determined to have their way with your idea/project.


And pray tell I’ve run into some very intelligent people.

Not everyone an attorney, but I have been taught some substantial lessons while trying to put together budgets, pass a new law, and astonishingly even when trying to update some very old ones.

I agree. It really doesn't help the case when the public are waiting on updates with non to be had. In today's world people and life move at a rapid pace, yesterday's news is old news and we move on. Even been being drip fed is better than nothing. To keep the public involved it needs to be out there everyday jogging people's memories.
The public begin to think they have been used (which they have) by joining in searches, sleuthing, calling tip lines, putting posters up etc.
I have lived in a few countries and have never experienced LE using the 'less is more' strategy it is actually the reverse. I seriously doubt that releasing anything would be detrimental at this stage of the investigation.
They either know or they don't and I'm going for the later.

 

[Abba's Tears]

They also mention a possible sighting in Northern Michigan. I never heard about that one.

Wait. What??? Anyone know anything more about the northern Michigan thing?

 

[human]

I still have a problem with the theory that Jayme was targeted. If that is the case, why not take her when she is some place alone? Bus stop? Store? When she is home alone? I don't know whether this is just really poor planning or an act of desperation. If it were the later - i.e., the killer(s) thought either the parents or Jayme knew something they shouldn't - maybe the killer(s) believed they didn't have the luxury of time to conduct surveillance on Jayme or the parents. Maybe they believed the house was so far from other neighbors they could pull it off like they did. Were it not for the 911 call no one might have known a thing till the next morning or afternoon.

Still you're going to go into a house not knowing if the owner has a gun nearby? I know my dad had a loaded .38 in his bedside cabinet and he was a light sleeper. Someone kicking a door open in that situation would likely have a very bad day.

Your father would have been shot the minute he showed his face, The killer with a gun has the total advantage of being prepared.