AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #18

[BB71]

With the Jacob Wetterling case, LE had developed a profile where they thought the guy was in the military. He was in the guard.

They had the perp right away but then let him go for years. Why? Who knows. Anyway, LE developed a profile on little info.

I think with things such as how victims were shot and other i fo they have from the crime scene, they could glean some info. Organized, disorganized. I don’t know. Something to let people know.

Were they wearing boots or shoes? There must be blood they walked through. Size of shoes? What else could there be?

Who did Jayme contact that night?
And Denise?
Did Jayme have her winter coat when she left? <modsnip - rumor>
Was anything packed? Food? Clothes?
(Were the cupboards or bureaus disturbed?)
When did James arrive home?

 

[MassGuy]

Why do you think the Challenger has not been identified.

Years ago a child was hit and run with someone with a yellow car. I calles the neighbor boy in and LE told me it was not him. They said he had been called in many times.

So I think if anyone in the area knows of a Challenger,they would have called it in

Here’s a couple possibilities:

The car is from out of the area, and hasn’t been identified yet.

They’ve found a car that matches, but there’s nothing to connect the driver to this crime.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

Yes, although some have said that kicking in a door isn't easy.

I've had occasion to kick in front doors several times, and in each instance, it took just one kick - not difficult at all. That being said, lotta different doors and locks out there, obviously, and some are much easier than others to breach.

 

[Seattle1]

I have VPN not enabled on my iPad. I do not know what that means. Should I enable it?

You also need a subscription to VPN service to use in conjunction with enable function. (There are also free ones with many ads).

 

[human]

I too can see JC approaching door and asking who was there. I believe if he recognized party behind the door, he'd open it, ( if not, he wouldn't). However, I also believe if JC deemed party a stranger, and one that did not leave and/or hanging around outside, I think JC would have armed himself and kept watch until he thought they'd left his property -- or call 911.

I think it likely the Closs family got off guard -- forced entry before JC could arm himself, and DC called 911 as soon as she got to her phone.

When my husband hears weird noises, he looks out a window or windows.

Is there a window that James could have looked out of to see who was there instead of going to the door?

I really think with all of the weird crime in that area, he would not blithely go answer the door.

He was a hunter as people have found on FB. So he may have gone to the door with a gun and it was taken from him.

 

[human]

I'm not sure. I go back and forth on that. What do you do when someone knocks on your door in the middle of the night? Ignore it? What if they don't knock but just kick the door in? Then what? Hide? Or fight for your life and your family member's lives?
I'm not sure my reaction is any different if I know the person on the other side of the door or not. I never open my door for anyone but if someone knocked/rang the bell I would look to see who it was (and I could be shot through the door in that moment of checking). If they kicked the door in without warning and all I heard was a loud noise while I'm in bed, I'm either going out to check or sending my husband out to check what the noise was. If either of us rushes out there without a gun we could be just as dead at the door as James was. Maybe one of us has a chance to hide and call 911 as it seems someone did in this case. The situation doesn't really change, though, if it's someone I knew unless the person gave lots of advanced notice they were showing up. If my husband runs out and confronts a known person and I hear gun shots I probably would not have time to both look out to see who it was and hide while calling 911. Unless the person announces themselves or yells who it is I won't know if I know them. Someone they knew could ambush them just as easily as a stranger. The stranger is just potentially taking a bigger risk that the home owner is not armed and there are no alarm systems on the door or hidden cameras or big dogs. JMO.
I think this aspect makes the case very frightening.

That is interesting re the security system. So many people have them nowadays. A random perp would not know if they had one or not. That is something to think about.

 

[Seattle1]

Who did Jayme contact that night?
And Denise?
Did Jayme have her winter coat when she left? <modsnip - rumor>
Was anything packed? Food? Clothes?
(Were the cupboards or bureaus disturbed?)
When did James arrive home?

Jayme was photographed several times Sunday wearing a denim jean jacket -- photos published. Per Sheriff Interview 11/1/18, LE has completed the digital footprint of the victims so I believe they know all communication history. No confirmation of JC work schedule and/or when he arrived home. No confirmation of house ransacked/disturbed, food, clothing missing, or whether Jayme packed. MOO

 

[Gardener1850]

Video of person kicking in door. Homeowner shot him!
Mom shoots man who kicked in her front door, police say

And she didn't know the people. You can see two of them out on the porch. One was probably knocking to see if anyone was home first. If no reply, they kick the door open. I have always heard to yell through the door and/or at least turn on lights so someone knocking knows you are there. Most thieves avoid occupied houses (so I have been told). I never open the door but will look outside. I have had a woman run from my porch when she asked me through the closed door if she could use my phone for "an emergency". I told her I was already on the phone with 911 and she bolted and jumped in a van parked down the block. The police came and told me that had been a common scheme in the neighborhood lately (other neighbors reported the same van). They knock on a few doors to find one where no one is home. If someone answers sometimes they pretend they are at the wrong house or pretend they have an emergency still hoping you will open the door and be caught off guard. Bravo to that mama for protecting her home and kids. JMO.

 

[Trino]

Three weeks tomorrow. Doesn't look good.

I think the wrong house theory has pretty much gone away. Seems the house was targeted. I could write a murder mystery based on this - fiction, of course.

 

[MassGuy]

Three weeks tomorrow. Doesn't look good.

I think the wrong house theory has pretty much gone away. Seems the house was targeted. I could write a murder mystery based on this - fiction, of course.

This seems to be the type of case where you could write a work of fiction, and actually have it turn out to be accurate.

It’s just that bizarre.

 

[Randazzo]

I'm not sure. I go back and forth on that. What do you do when someone knocks on your door in the middle of the night? Ignore it? What if they don't knock but just kick the door in? Then what? Hide? Or fight for your life and your family member's lives?

I'd peek out a window that's not close to the door to see if there are any cars or people out there. I'm also going to listen for any voices or sounds like someone's trying to jimmy the door. But I avoid going to the door because if I do, whoever is on the other side knows exactly where I am. If I'm anywhere else in the house, they're at a disadvantage unless they already know the layout of the house.

Someone they knew could ambush them just as easily as a stranger. The stranger is just potentially taking a bigger risk that the home owner is not armed and there are no alarm systems on the door or hidden cameras or big dogs.

Exactly. A stranger has so many unknowns to deal with.

 

[human]

I went to a jewelry maker once who lived in a fabulous house on a lake. He had a pressure sensor under his driveway which ket him know when anyone drove onto his driveway.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

On the topic of whether or not the father may have answered the door, by my interpretation, one doesn't have to open the door to answer it. If someone knocked on my door after midnight, I'd go to the door after glancing out a side window and ask the person (if I didn't know him/her) what they wanted. I wouldn't open the door.

 

[Ragnarok]

I have VPN not enabled on my iPad. I do not know what that means. Should I enable it?

Research first and compare to VPNs. There are differing levels of privacy, security, and capabilities.

 

[AllGrace]

Interesting arrest.

Man arrested for breaking into home of Jayme Closs

 

[Gardener1850]

I went to a jewelry maker once who lived in a fabulous house on a lake. He had a pressure sensor under his driveway which ket him know when anyone drove onto his driveway.

You can get really cheap driveway motion sensors that do about the same thing. Google "driveway alert sensors" or "driveway alarm". I don't know how well they work but they are an option.
But it seems that the Closs family had no reason to be concerned about their home security or anything this extreme happening. I think few people have to worry about a home invasion of this magnitude-- either from a stranger or someone the family knows. Their home was modest and not the home of a jeweler or famous person. It might not have been difficult for a stranger who was determined enough to figure out that their security was likely minimal. That's why I can't decide either way if the perp(s) knew the family or not. I'm still undecided on that. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

Wasn't Jayme the target?

That is my assumption but not everyone’s. Some think she was spared for being a child.

 

[Gardener1850]

On the topic of whether or not the father may have answered the door, by my interpretation, one doesn't have to open the door to answer it. If someone knocked on my door after midnight, I'd go to the door after glancing out a side window and ask the person (if I didn't know him/her) what they wanted. I wouldn't open the door.

My thoughts exactly. I don't equate "answering" with opening the door.

 

[gngr~snap]

It would, but I doubt it happened.

The focus was on escaping, especially in the seconds after that 911 call was made. I think it’s likely that Jayme only left that house with the clothes on her back.

So, if she is alive, someone is able to clothe her.
Makes me believe that a woman is somehow involved.
Surely people are talking amongst themselves in the area. There's always that person in every area that everyone suspects, but no one will say it outloud because the person is THAT crazy, that they too fear them.
Moo

 

[Herb.Wis]

With the Jacob Wetterling case, LE had developed a profile where they thought the guy was in the military. He was in the guard.

They had the perp right away but then let him go for years. Why? Who knows. Anyway, LE developed a profile on little info.

I think with things such as how victims were shot and other i fo they have from the crime scene, they could glean some info. Organized, disorganized. I don’t know. Something to let people know.

Were they wearing boots or shoes? There must be blood they walked through. Size of shoes? What else could there be?

From the way the Closs killer acted fast killing both parents also suggests a military background and a familiarity with weapons and how to use them effectively. Could be a practiced Hunter as well. Here too the cops may talked to the dude but passed him over. Wasn't there any useful forensic evidence found at the crime scene? I've heard that in real life it's not as surefire as on TV.