AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[MsBetsy]

Interesting. What if Jayme was elsewhere during the crime? Already outside?

I think if LE thinks she was there at the time of the murder, and specifically give the 911 call and other evidence as the reason, then there is no reason to doubt them. This is one thing they would want to be sure of. I'm thinking the only reason they mentioned the call as being evidence that she was present is because they hear her voice on the call. Imo

 

[stephlovescheese]

It appears the perp(s) were on a mission, had they wanted to eliminate Jayme as a witness it would have taken only a second to pull the trigger.

Just a thought- and perhaps it’s been discussed. Did the perp(s) run out of ammunition or did the gun jam? And that was a reason to take her?

 

[Gardener1850]

Why would they call a school security officer for that information instead of one of her sisters? The difference between what records at a school show and what actually is known by the family to be true. Also, perhaps, Jayme's bed was not slept in, wrinkled blankets etc. indicating the crime may have happened much earlier than we think.

Why/how would LEOs on the scene automatically have Denise's sisters phone number? Unless they knew the family personally they probably would not have that info. I'm guessing the school security officer would have emergency contact numbers for the extended family in case something happened to Jayme's parents while she was at school. The school records would also show if there were step-parents or other regular caregivers that Jayme could be staying with (who has permission to pick up a child from school has to be noted in their records these days). Also, LE have said evidence from the house and the 911 call indicated Jayme was there at the time of the murders.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Did you take into consideration the 911 call was 47 seconds long? Great reconstruction of the crime by the way!

That's right, the phone call was only less than a minute. Hmmmm, now why did you have to go a throw a monkey wrench in my well thought out crime line?! LOL, know I'm going to have to continue banging my head against the wall....not literally of course.

 

[Trino]

I think if LE thinks she was there at the time of the murder, and specifically give the 911 call and other evidence as the reason, then there is no reason to doubt them. This is one thing they would want to be sure of. I'm thinking the only reason they mentioned the call as being evidence that she was present is because they hear her voice on the call. Imo

But, it sure seems they have not identified voices on the call, or was it words that were not identified? Need clarification, and I doubt the sheriff is going to give it.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Totally agree. But why not answer the question about james? Maybe because if it was yes then people would go crazy with meaningless speculation?? That threw me off. Only because he said how much he knew about the timeline, followed by "i dont know." I guess it was too direct of a question. ?

IMO, that interview was contradictory. Just seemed off with some of his answers.

 

[Le Singe]

It does seem to be effective, however. Reading up on organized crimes and cartels shows that this method of "business" is one that's been used for a century and still going strong.

I don't think this crime had anything to do with either, by the way, but punishing one person (or small group) to send out a message to others IS something that happens.

As someone previously pointed out, there is also the idea that the "debt" wasn't monetary but a reneging on a promise or a failure to follow through with something. Also valid ideas, though I don't feel strongly about them one way or the other.

I try to stay away from saying, "I wouldn't do this" or "I wouldn't do that" because though I can speculate for myself, I can't speak for how other people would react.

The whole point of this type of crime is that many people KNOW who did it. It's worked for centuries b/c people know who did it so they know not to try to cheat those people in the future. This isn't 1960s~1970s Bensonhurst Brooklyn or little Italy or Hells kitchen or providence or south Boston or modern day Culiacan. If a large group of people knew who did it LE would know. There's a child missing a lot of that mafia type of owing money murders in the past was tolerated and people kept their mouths shut b/c they wrote it off as criminals in the underworld killing other criminals in the underworld. This is different.

 

[andreww]

Just a thought- and perhaps it’s been discussed. Did the perp(s) run out of ammunition or did the gun jam? And that was a reason to take her?

Anything is possible I guess, but I think she'd have been found with a bullet in the head by now if that were the case.

 

[gipsypup]

I got the idea the sheriff and the community are being very careful in avoiding the media, except when it is necessary and useful to them. I think LE has used the media wisely to get this story out, and to avoid speculation and rumor. I also think he addressed all the concerns the public had about dealing with media and the importance of not revealing too much information during that meeting for the community they had at the beginning. Imo

Obviously, LE meeting with the family privately and instructing them what to say seems normal. But the "closed door" meeting with the community in this type of case seems very different and unusual . Unless LE wanted to keep any theories or concerns the community had out of main stream media reports? JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

If not Jayme’s voice on the call, someone else calling out to her.

 

[girlhasnoname]

How do we know she was there? I don’t recall any reference to that. Plenty of speculation. I might be incorrect but I recall no one in an official capacity sayingvshe was definitely at the house at any given time.

I know it makes sense, but there’s no statement or evidence she was there. What if she wasn’t. How does it change things.????

Yes, in one of the earlier PC the Sherriff said they believed she was there due to evidence at the scene and the 911 call. He wouldn't comment on the specifics.

 

[MsBetsy]

I disagree, because I think if i just rang and rang (as it would if the line was cut), then I would assume the dispatcher would note that there was no answer in the call log as opposed to noting it was disconnected.

I thought she indicated or it was indicated somewhere that there was a recorded message that it was disconnected. At least that's what I gathered from the discussion about it. Jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

If not Jayme’s voice on the call, someone else calling out to her.

Yes, maybe the perp (or DC) called her out specifically.

 

[kkdj]

If I heard gunshot in my home I think i would grab my child and run away from where I heard it....like outdoors. My main objective would be to get my child out of harms way period.
Was Denise found inside the home or outside or near a door leading outside or what do we know as fact?

 

[andreww]

True, but we do know she was there at the time of the murder. So it makes sense that she was there at the time of the call, or that she may be the one who called. Imo

Sorry, how do we know she was there at the time of the murder?

 

[bizzle2]

Just a thought- and perhaps it’s been discussed. Did the perp(s) run out of ammunition or did the gun jam? And that was a reason to take her?

Low probability of happening, but certainly possible. That scenario has been brought up before.

 

[Celt1997]

LE has stated that they believe Jayme was present at the time of the murders. They haven't said anything more specific, though. She could have been outside or inside. I'm thinking the reasoning behind the statement is that whatever the commotion was that is heard on the 911 call, there is enough there to infer that Jayme was somewhere on the property during the murders. As I said, though, the "somewhere" has never been specified.

 

[andreww]

LE has specifically stated that from the 911 call as well as other evidence that she was there, at the house at the time of the murder. They seem to be confident based on the evidence. Jmo

They've also said the 911 call is inaudible. So what other evidence?

 

[Gardener1850]

I disagree, because I think if i just rang and rang (as it would if the line was cut), then I would assume the dispatcher would note that there was no answer in the call log as opposed to noting it was disconnected.

Is the ringing sound for a cut phone line or a phone disconnected at the wall the same sound as a phone that rings through without any voicemail message and no answer?

 

[kkdj]

It appears the perp(s) were on a mission, had they wanted to eliminate Jayme as a witness it would have taken only a second to pull the trigger.

Well.....I've thought from the beginning the intent was to take Jayme and that's still my #1 theory. But what if it was a random robbery and the creepy perp(s) suddenly realized they had an added benefit in discovering young Jayme and they decided on the spot they wanted to explore that option for a bit? Ew. Sorry to even type that thought.....that really makes me upset to think about.