AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[MsBetsy]

Ma

Obviously, LE meeting with the family privately and instructing them what to say seems normal. But the "closed door" meeting with the community in this type of case seems very different and unusual . Unless LE wanted to keep any theories or concerns the community had out of main stream media reports? JMO.

Maybe. But I got the impression he wanted to address some of their concerns and questions without being i

But, it sure seems they have not identified voices on the call, or was it words that were not identified? Need clarification, and I doubt the sheriff is going to give it.

In one of the earliest reports by the local news the author summarized the sheriff as saying the only word they could make out was " help," although later he would not confirm it. Maybe it was Jayme they heard. At any rate, they know she was there.
nterupted by the media. It's a small town and I think people were scared and he wanted to give them an opportunity to voice their concerns and answer questions. He seems like a sheriff who is very invested in the community. Jmo

 

[Gardener1850]

I thought she indicated or it was indicated somewhere that there was a recorded message that it was disconnected. At least that's what I gathered from the discussion about it. Jmo

The 911 operator hearing a recorded message is only speculation or our assumptions IMO. All we know is what is written in the 911 log and it does not specify that she heard a record message. See page 4: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

 

[tiffkinsadder]

The school bus stop is on the driveway I imagine. The home sits on a highway where 6000 plus cars pass by per day as was posted by another WS poster .

That is a lot of cars per hour. I don’t think there would be a time where he would be unseen. Plus, the bus stops with the stop arm out until the child has passed. She would be up the driveway before the driver left.

However, I think it is possible that she was seen by someone as she got off the bus almost everyday.

I wonder if she took the bus every morning? Did she wait alone at the bottom of the driveway for the bus every morning?

She took the bus?

 

[kkdj]

They've also said the 911 call is inaudible. So what other evidence?

IIRC they said that in the beginning and they were going to try to enhance it. Later they said they believe Jayme was in the home when her parents were murdered and they believe this partially because of the 911 call and further evidence.
I believe they were able to enhance the 911 call.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Ma

Maybe. But I got the impression he wanted to address some of their concerns and questions without being i

In one of the earliest reports by the local news the author summarized the sheriff as saying the only word they could make out was " help," although later he would not confirm it. Maybe it was Jayme they heard. At any rate, they know she was there.
nterupted by the media. It's a small town and I think people were scared and he wanted to give them an opportunity to voice their concerns and answer questions. He seems like a sheriff who is very invested in the community. Jmo

I read that early on too. someone saying “help”

 

[Bluepopsicle]

Is the ringing sound for a cut phone line or a phone disconnected at the wall the same sound as a phone that rings through without any voicemail message and no answer?

I believe so, or at least that’s how it works in my neck of the woods... whether the line was cut, or unplugged from the wall, it just rings and rings. Unless of course, one has an “invisible answering machine”.

 

[MsBetsy]

Wow, my two posts really got messed up. I had tried to answer the question about the sheriff holding the meeting because he wanted to give the community a chance to ask questions without the media being there. My post got messed up somehow. Anyway I don't see anything unusual about it, just a sheriff who really cares about the community. I'm sure people were terrified and wanted to ask questions directly to him without being interrupted. Holding a meeting gets it done faster than trying to answer hundreds of phone calls. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

Y

I read that early on too. someone saying “help”

Yes, I believe this is what was heard, since it was in the local news in the very beginning. Maybe it was decided later that the information should not be revealed. Jmo

 

[kkdj]

Wow, my two posts really got messed up. I had tried to answer the question about the sheriff holding the meeting because he wanted to give the community a chance to ask questions without the media being there. My post got messed up somehow. Anyway I don't see anything unusual about it, just a sheriff who really cares about the community. I'm sure people were terrified and wanted to ask questions directly to him without being interrupted. Holding a meeting gets it done faster than trying to answer hundreds of phone calls. Jmo

I'm impressed with this sheriff and how he is handling this community who must be under fear.

 

[andreww]

I read that early on too. someone saying “help”

The police chief has said several times that there was absolutely no dialogue between the caller and the operator. To me that says that nobody said "help". Just background noise is all that was heard. Even the idea that there was screaming or conversation is just speculation. It could have been the sounds of somebody routing through drawers and cupboards looking for something. I believe it was described as "commotion".

 

[MsBetsy]

The 911 operator hearing a recorded message is only speculation or our assumptions IMO. All we know is what is written in the 911 log and it does not specify that she heard a record message. See page 4: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

Ok, well then I guess I can go back to my original opinion that the killer disconnected the lines. The reasons given were so convincing that I gave up that theory almost a month ago.

 

[WiseOwl]

That's right, the phone call was only less than a minute. Hmmmm, now why did you have to go a throw a monkey wrench in my well thought out crime line?! LOL, know I'm going to have to continue banging my head against the wall....not literally of course.

I know, just when you think you've sussed it someone will say 'Ah but have you taken this into consideration' and obviously you haven't! Jayme's case is typical of this, so many possible scenarios and yet as soon as you think 'got it' someone will always come up with a great reason why your theory just doesn't fit!

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Pedophiles that kill their victims, yes. I think a pedophile that kills two people to get at their victim is quite rare. Not saying its never happened, but its rare.

But it does happen...

 

[Gardener1850]

Until we actually know how many shots were fired we just don't know. I will say that it is entirely possible that a high calibre bullet could pass through someone and find its way in to the chair. But who knows, only info we currently have suggests two shots fired..

Thanks. But respectfully, I disagree with the BBM text. The info we have indicates more than 2 shots were fired. The officers first on the scene reported "multiple rounds spent" before they found Denise's body. Dispatch log says "advised one male down, multiple rounds spent" and then it is several minutes before they found Denise dead inside another room of the house. Unless we think Denise AND James both went to the door and were shot there by the suspect with only two gunshots and Denise was somehow able to barricade herself in another room while dying from a fatal shot...Which is possible, I'll grant you that. But it requires many more assumptions than believing there were more than 2 gunshots. JMO.

(And I should add I do not take the neighbor's statements of there only being 2 shots as factual-- they may think they only heard 2 but I think there are too many other issues with their statements to give their account any weight in this. JMO)

Page 4: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

 

[pepper 34]

I agree if we assume that the neighbors got something wrong and this was not some drawn out 25 minute thing, then I think it is an act of impassivity and more balls than brains. IMO that would suggest younger 17-25 age perp than say 45 plus.

Essentially a coward, the "balls" aren't real imo, but I agree on not much in the brains department. The method this killer(s) used was all brawn. James and Denise had no way to make up for the element of surprise and brute strength of the initial attack. A man twice Jayme's size would have been just as blind sided, imo. These killers are sneaky cowards underneath the bravado they display (maybe every day as a personality trait, too.) Smashed a door in and killed two people who had no way to prepare for the shock or take any effective defensive measures... a time of night where almost everyone is winding down, relaxing or asleep... and one child is left behind. That's real bravery, huh? Yet they are just the sort to celebrate such a feat, imo but that's brainless foolishness since they stacked all the cards on their side from the start. I bet they've been "bullies" all their lives. I think there are people out there who know how obnoxious and dangerous they are. I wish those people had more courage than I would have and would make that call to LE. Even if they're wrong about who they think it is... so what. An effort was made.

 

[MsBetsy]

The police chief has said several times that there was absolutely no dialogue between the caller and the operator. To me that says that nobody said "help". Just background noise is all that was heard. Even the idea that there was screaming or conversation is just speculation. It could have been the sounds of somebody routing through drawers and cupboards looking for something. I believe it was described as "commotion".

Right, but the fact is it was still reported in the beginning in several sources that the sheriff said there was a lot of yelling and a disturbance going on, and the only word they could make out was help. I always consider the local news some of the best sources, especially at the very beginning, before they determine what should or should not be revealed. Maybe on the first day he didn't consider it harmful to the investigation to reveal this information. It was likely the first interview. Jmo

 

[doublestop]

The police chief has said several times that there was absolutely no dialogue between the caller and the operator. To me that says that nobody said "help".

But someone screaming help, not into the phone but in the house somewhere, would not be considered dialogue between caller and operator.

 

[andreww]

IIRC they said that in the beginning and they were going to try to enhance it. Later they said they believe Jayme was in the home when her parents were murdered and they believe this partially because of the 911 call and further evidence.
I believe they were able to enhance the 911 call.

I'm not sure about that, the sheriff said they believe she was there pretty early on. I'd probably guess that they came to this conclusion based on the fact that her bed was slept in, the clothes she wore to the party were there, her shoes and jacket were there, etc.

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm impressed with this sheriff and how he is handling this community who must be under fear.

Me too! I wish he was our sheriff.

 

[kkdj]

But someone screaming help, not into the phone but in the house somewhere, would not be considered dialogue between caller and operator.

The operator tried to converse with the caller and got no response. The operator also tried to call the # back and got no response. I suspect it (the 911 call) was from Denise dying that she made that 911 call in hopes of saving her daughter. jmo.