AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #30

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  • #101
ITA my first 2 biggest questions many threads ago were the 2 girls driving by and the 911 call.
I totally agree. The two girls driving by at that time of the morning is strange to say the least and I do hope that LE took a look at their cell phones as well.
 
  • #102
Has anyone else wondered that this may have been a revenge/honor killing by an unknown person/persons with a perceived/or real disrespect issue with one or both parents from the past ? That Jayme would have also been revenge raped and then killed in that house also that night, if not for that 911 call ?
 
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  • #103
To be honest, I have wondered this myself. Yet, the sheriff said judging by the 911 call that came in, they determined she was at the house at the time of the murders.

Something just doesn't add up in this case, and it is truly bothering me.

I also have wondered this. I would guess many have. It can't be determined when we don't know the reason they say she was there. Let's just say Denise said something like "No, Oh Jayme" or "My daughter" or even yelled "Jayme" that could be heard, it still in no way would mean she was there, it could be just last thoughts of who matters to you most in your life, who you are concerned about etc. Not a pleasant thought but do they have irrefutable proof of either the time this happened or that she was there? We have no way of knowing of course. If they heard her voice to me is the only way it is a sure thing or if they have something like footprints of hers through blood. One would think though they would have then realized a child was missing more quickly before checking with school, etc.
 
  • #104
Wow....some really insightful comments here today. Makes me really wonder about everything. The two girls driving by at the time, the weird man breaking into the home, no real flyers on missing Jayme posted in the surrounding areas, the time line of James that day....did he actually go to work that day....etc.

The brother of Denise said he had a "gut" feeling about this in one of his interviews. The family said Denise helped out those less fortunate through the church, etc. I hope LE has checked out the people she helped. After reading the article posted here about the rape case in Barron is disturbing to me. Add that with all the criminals (sex offenders and meth heads) that live there. Something is not right in Barron, WI.
 
  • #105
Wow....some really insightful comments here today. Makes me really wonder about everything. The two girls driving by at the time, the weird man breaking into the home, no real flyers on missing Jayme posted in the surrounding areas, the time line of James that day....did he actually go to work that day....etc.

The brother of Denise said he had a "gut" feeling about this in one of his interviews. The family said Denise helped out those less fortunate through the church, etc. I hope LE has checked out the people she helped. After reading the article posted here about the rape case in Barron is disturbing to me. Add that with all the criminals (sex offenders and meth heads) that live there. Something is not right in Barron, WI.
this! I agree a whole lot of somethings are not right in barron, wi
 
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  • #106
We're the names of the executors released publically? If so where, can you point me to it? tia
I apologize if someone answered this already. Wisconsin has public court records. Enter either parents name and you will come up with a probate case. You can find more info and chronological events there, along with the executor/named sibling, GAL, attorney who filed and judge, etc. It is a sister in each family for their respective brother's/sister's estate.
 
  • #107
I noticed in the probate filing for J&D that they each have someone different over their estate..just a thought that maybe this was all about money

Already answered.
 
  • #108
I apologize if someone answered this already. Wisconsin has public court records. Enter either parents name and you will come up with a probate case. You can find more info and chronological events there, along with the executor/named sibling, GAL, attorney who filed and judge, etc. It is a sister in each family for their respective brother's/sister's estate.

I should add it is "wisconsin circuit court access" just google it. it is free.
 
  • #109
I apologize if someone answered this already. Wisconsin has public court records. Enter either parents name and you will come up with a probate case. You can find more info and chronological events there, along with the executor/named sibling, GAL, attorney who filed and judge, etc. It is a sister in each family for their respective brother's/sister's estate.
Thanks. Interesting read.
 
  • #110
Does anyone think LE could be withholding the specific transcript of the 911 call because it may contain even one piece of new information that they have not revealed thus far?

For example, if it contained Jayme’s voice yelling in a way that revealed she knew the person in front of her? “Why would you do this? I thought you were our friend” etc.

Thoughts?
 
  • #111
A bit different of a subject and forgive me if it has already been discussed but I have not seen it. Is there anyone on here that knows about death, rigor mortis, food in the stomach and how accurately those sorts of things can give a time of death? Or even a time of injury? It is something that crosses my mind on occasion with the difference in the neighbors' account and that of LE, or four minutes versus 1/2 an hour or longer, etc. How accurate these days can they be? I have no idea, just wondering if anyone does.
 
  • #112
Closs took care of neih or’a daughter
I have never followed other cases on here but I keep seeing remarks on how odd this one is. I agree. One could not plan nor make such things up.

One thing that may mean nothing but still bothers me is Jayme's alert states she has green eyes. Her aunt in one interview, I cannot remember which one, stated that they are amber and sometimes look blue. Her pictures as well are all over the place, in the originals she looks like a young, maybe a bit awkyard yet of a teen; and now we have seen several where she looks like a poised young lady older than the original pictures. Her eye color in the pictures as well sometimes looks blue, and sometimes does not, etc. I am not saying this means anything important, it is just odd that in one release they are green and yet a family member said otherwise.

A few weeks ago I had occasion to drive Highway 8 through Barron. I paid very close attention. I found it extremely strange there is not one single billboard or sign of any kind from the MN Taylor Falls border through Barron. Barron has literally dozens of Chris Kroeze signs (contestant on The Voice) understandably, he did great(!), but basically none of Jayme. One City office had something about her on their sign and one house had a tree and a "hope" sign. Throughout the entire stretch of Highway 8 and the main drag. Yet Kroeze signs were everywhere as were Barron Bear signs even more present than anything about Jayme. The two things I saw about Jayme were negligible for the length of Barron and not a picture nor a detail. I stopped at one gas station, used the restroom and shopped for a snack and again noticed not one thing about her. I cannot say there may not have been something somewhere, what I am saying is I shopped the gas station and used the restroom as 90 percent of people would, without LOOKING for anything about her, and never noticed a thing. Could there be something somewhere? Sure, but nothing that would stand out to someone entering the station or shopping in it. Not to me anyhow.

There are billboards in other states but not a one from the MN border nor in her own area towns (not the ones I was in anyhow). Again, I am talking the main streets which I would think is where you would want such signs. Cameron was the same. I was not on Highway 53 so I cannot comment on that but I would doubt it as if Highway 8 has nothing why would 53? They searched along 8.

Nothing by Jennie-O either despite having a several block presence and a fence where something could be hung.

I allow for people could be scared and not want to call attention to themselves but I do NOT understand why there wouldn't be a ton of businesses doing so and at least a billboard. I do not know what is the norm in a missing case but I find it somewhat odd.

Then for odd things we have a panty thief who just happens to break in and the place happens to be under camera. What are the odds? Maybe he has no connection but we do know he skulks around at that time of night and stalks. Based on his arrests.

We have cars that mattered that now seem not to and yet they are still on posters as if they matter, etc. It has never been said definitively they do not matter, just more of a "not the focus" sort of right now.

A remark that stands out to me to this day is the sheriff saying or seeming to be surprised they did not find a weapon/gun. Why would they expect to??

I know people in the area and they are not talking about this case. I was told it is not in the papers and it is quiet and off of many people's radar as there is nothing about it in the local papers, etc. It was remarked to me the tree lighting was recently in the paper but other than that, there has been nothing. I can't say people do not talk privately about it in their homes or that some do elsewhere s well but I found no evidence of it, just the opposite when I asked a few close to me.

I also for the first time came by the house and tried to watch for it to see if I felt it would be easily picked or targeted. I can only say it is easily visible from the road now but it wouldn't have been in October and one is past it before you register you see it. I mean maybe at 1 a.m. you could be driving slowly to watch for it but in normal traffic that is not an option imo.

I was also struck by the fact that, even though we know it is just about a mile, I felt in no time flat I was in the Barron City Limits. It seems like a poor choice of a home to target randomly with no knowledge unless you are just stupid or methed up or something. When I returned by the same route I felt the same although the house seemed a bit further out but still, I just do not see it being randomly selected IF you knew two police agencies were less than four miles away.

I could and many others could as well add many more odd things that just do not make sense nor add up. I am in no way questioning LE or the victims, etc., I just cannot figure out the reasons. I imagine some of these things are tactics or they have a good idea of who did it. I sure hope so. The alternatives one can think of are not good ones.

I also find the silence about the family's activities even the weekend prior to possibly be significant. And it has been especially silent with regard to Jim.

Another oddity in this case is the neighbor's account. Either they are wrong or LE is. I also wonder where they were until 11:30 p.m. Again, this is not directed at them I am just thinking like a middle aged person. It is a Sunday night almost to Monday. The casino and perhaps a few bars would be open. While there may be some middle aged die hard bar flies, I think the majority have turned to being more daytime, early afternoon or early evening types. Perhaps they were at a family member's home for a party? I thought of that but others would most likely have jobs or children with school to attend the next day and such things would not go late on a Sunday. Now the casino would be a different story. One gets into a casino and forgets the time or keeps gambling. And if one did not have to work it would not be a big deal.

I have wondered if the neighbors won a big pot or even upset someone and they were followed at a distance. They see them signal and turn into a driveway and the ones following get the wrong driveway, the Closses.

I have no way of knowing this is even likely, just a thought. The neighbors could have been anywhere even coming from Wal-Mart in Rice Lake. It just seems unlikely and seems a late hour for a Sunday night.

My very first instinct when this case was in the news was meth heads and a possibly wrong residence. And then there was an arrest in the neighborhood and I still think it is possible.

However, like everyone, I entertain them all. Parents the target, Jayme the target, random, targeted, etc.

For some reason and I am unsure why, I feel the parents were the target (or one of them).

Just rambling and thought maybe some of it would give some food for thought. I have not been on here in awhile but have now caught up and read all posts.

Excellent post. The lack of posters or a billboard is a huge concern. Certainly Jennieo can afford to sponsor a couple.
 
  • #113
On the two girls/women, I more wonder if they somehow learned through the small town grapevine that Jayme was missing and they were searching for her. Maybe they thought if she was hiding in the woods scared that she might come out to a familiar vehicle and voice.
 
  • #114
In a small area where it is all small towns, I would guess people do not want to be seen gossiping when they really do not know anything nor accused of affecting the case. I also wonder if since it is something so unusual in the area, is it denial and telling oneself it was targeted and could never happen to us/fear? One would think with something this unusual it would be the opposite, it would be a major focus and talk. I also would think not a one would want to be known to be talking with the media. Look at the opinion of some regarding the neighbors when they did and it is a small area.

I hope some day we understand the whys. I hope and pray even more that she is alive. I can only figure they are building a case. If not, I can think of no reason not to share more, as you say, or at least to clear up the confusing things that almost seem to contradict each other.

When Jacob Wetterling was kidnappedin 1989 from a small town in MN, there were posters and billboards everywhere. White ribbons everywhere.

LE did goof that one up really badly but he still would have been dead. The perv did scope out the neighborhood but it was a dirt road, not a highway.
 
  • #115
Does anyone think LE could be withholding the specific transcript of the 911 call because it may contain even one piece of new information that they have not revealed thus far?

For example, if it contained Jayme’s voice yelling in a way that revealed she knew the person in front of her? “Why would you do this? I thought you were our friend” etc.

Thoughts?

I think what there fearful of is instint recognition of voice and implications.. that could lead to telling somebody to get to Mexico have a nice life... or someone getting gun..

Nothing would stun me... could be someone yelling I told you not to lose your temper..
Or parents yelling call 911 go get the damn guns..

Also could be yelling so poor quality u can’t make out word... if that’s case .. let perp think they got a lot ..

What hurts my head.. who hung up the phone ... perp.. looking at phone.. likely gone in 30 seconds...
 
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  • #116
I have never followed other cases on here but I keep seeing remarks on how odd this one is. I agree. One could not plan nor make such things up.

One thing that may mean nothing but still bothers me is Jayme's alert states she has green eyes. Her aunt in one interview, I cannot remember which one, stated that they are amber and sometimes look blue. Her pictures as well are all over the place, in the originals she looks like a young, maybe a bit awkyard yet of a teen; and now we have seen several where she looks like a poised young lady older than the original pictures. Her eye color in the pictures as well sometimes looks blue, and sometimes does not, etc. I am not saying this means anything important, it is just odd that in one release they are green and yet a family member said otherwise.

A few weeks ago I had occasion to drive Highway 8 through Barron. I paid very close attention. I found it extremely strange there is not one single billboard or sign of any kind from the MN Taylor Falls border through Barron. Barron has literally dozens of Chris Kroeze signs (contestant on The Voice) understandably, he did great(!), but basically none of Jayme. One City office had something about her on their sign and one house had a tree and a "hope" sign. Throughout the entire stretch of Highway 8 and the main drag. Yet Kroeze signs were everywhere as were Barron Bear signs even more present than anything about Jayme. The two things I saw about Jayme were negligible for the length of Barron and not a picture nor a detail. I stopped at one gas station, used the restroom and shopped for a snack and again noticed not one thing about her. I cannot say there may not have been something somewhere, what I am saying is I shopped the gas station and used the restroom as 90 percent of people would, without LOOKING for anything about her, and never noticed a thing. Could there be something somewhere? Sure, but nothing that would stand out to someone entering the station or shopping in it. Not to me anyhow.

There are billboards in other states but not a one from the MN border nor in her own area towns (not the ones I was in anyhow). Again, I am talking the main streets which I would think is where you would want such signs. Cameron was the same. I was not on Highway 53 so I cannot comment on that but I would doubt it as if Highway 8 has nothing why would 53? They searched along 8.

Nothing by Jennie-O either despite having a several block presence and a fence where something could be hung.

I allow for people could be scared and not want to call attention to themselves but I do NOT understand why there wouldn't be a ton of businesses doing so and at least a billboard. I do not know what is the norm in a missing case but I find it somewhat odd.

Then for odd things we have a panty thief who just happens to break in and the place happens to be under camera. What are the odds? Maybe he has no connection but we do know he skulks around at that time of night and stalks. Based on his arrests.

We have cars that mattered that now seem not to and yet they are still on posters as if they matter, etc. It has never been said definitively they do not matter, just more of a "not the focus" sort of right now.

A remark that stands out to me to this day is the sheriff saying or seeming to be surprised they did not find a weapon/gun. Why would they expect to??

I know people in the area and they are not talking about this case. I was told it is not in the papers and it is quiet and off of many people's radar as there is nothing about it in the local papers, etc. It was remarked to me the tree lighting was recently in the paper but other than that, there has been nothing. I can't say people do not talk privately about it in their homes or that some do elsewhere s well but I found no evidence of it, just the opposite when I asked a few close to me.

I also for the first time came by the house and tried to watch for it to see if I felt it would be easily picked or targeted. I can only say it is easily visible from the road now but it wouldn't have been in October and one is past it before you register you see it. I mean maybe at 1 a.m. you could be driving slowly to watch for it but in normal traffic that is not an option imo.

I was also struck by the fact that, even though we know it is just about a mile, I felt in no time flat I was in the Barron City Limits. It seems like a poor choice of a home to target randomly with no knowledge unless you are just stupid or methed up or something. When I returned by the same route I felt the same although the house seemed a bit further out but still, I just do not see it being randomly selected IF you knew two police agencies were less than four miles away.

I could and many others could as well add many more odd things that just do not make sense nor add up. I am in no way questioning LE or the victims, etc., I just cannot figure out the reasons. I imagine some of these things are tactics or they have a good idea of who did it. I sure hope so. The alternatives one can think of are not good ones.

I also find the silence about the family's activities even the weekend prior to possibly be significant. And it has been especially silent with regard to Jim.

Another oddity in this case is the neighbor's account. Either they are wrong or LE is. I also wonder where they were until 11:30 p.m. Again, this is not directed at them I am just thinking like a middle aged person. It is a Sunday night almost to Monday. The casino and perhaps a few bars would be open. While there may be some middle aged die hard bar flies, I think the majority have turned to being more daytime, early afternoon or early evening types. Perhaps they were at a family member's home for a party? I thought of that but others would most likely have jobs or children with school to attend the next day and such things would not go late on a Sunday. Now the casino would be a different story. One gets into a casino and forgets the time or keeps gambling. And if one did not have to work it would not be a big deal.

I have wondered if the neighbors won a big pot or even upset someone and they were followed at a distance. They see them signal and turn into a driveway and the ones following get the wrong driveway, the Closses.

I have no way of knowing this is even likely, just a thought. The neighbors could have been anywhere even coming from Wal-Mart in Rice Lake. It just seems unlikely and seems a late hour for a Sunday night.

My very first instinct when this case was in the news was meth heads and a possibly wrong residence. And then there was an arrest in the neighborhood and I still think it is possible.

However, like everyone, I entertain them all. Parents the target, Jayme the target, random, targeted, etc.

For some reason and I am unsure why, I feel the parents were the target (or one of them).

Just rambling and thought maybe some of it would give some food for thought. I have not been on here in awhile but have now caught up and read all posts.
What is wrong with these people in this community? It seems they have no care? I can't believe they don't have posters up for this sweet little girl. I find it SHAMEFUL.
James came home from work and he was shot! So what happened at work?? Doesn't that make you wonder?!
 
  • #117
I’m guessing after the first kid in town overheard adults say something happened at the Closs home, word spread like wildfire to every kid in town that has a device. Thus the girls driving by trying to figure out what happened...imo

Apparently the girls lived 20 miles away. Is that true?
 
  • #118
Closs took care of neih or’a daughter


Excellent post. The lack of posters or a billboard is a huge concern. Certainly Jennieo can afford to sponsor a couple.

It just bothered me. Granted that the area has never probably went through such a thing and maybe other state's billboards are run by the National Missing Children org, etc. or are in big cities, etc. But why not in her own area? Maybe it would trigger something in a semi driver or someone headed home that night to the Twin Cities, etc. even after or before the crime or at a gas station or the side of the road with someone stopped? I get that families may be concerned and not want to call attention but most of the Barron main drag are businesses not houses, and many with signs they can change the message on. I did see messages for The Voice, etc. which again, was cool, but why not for her? And Jennie-O I thought might be to do with laws and whatever but they did contribute to the reward so I fail to see a reason they cannot put up a big poster. jmo. All I have to say is if this is the way it is in most cases, more can be done. The Amber Alert was an awesome thing when that mother lobbied for it. But far more can be done for these children.
 
  • #119
What is wrong with these people in this community? It seems they have no care? I can't believe they don't have posters up for this sweet little girl. I find it SHAMEFUL.
James came home from work and he was shot! So what happened at work?? Doesn't that make you wonder?!
Do we know for sure there aren’t posters?
 
  • #120
What is wrong with these people in this community? It seems they have no care? I can't believe they don't have posters up for this sweet little girl. I find it SHAMEFUL.
James came home from work and he was shot! So what happened at work?? Doesn't that make you wonder?!

The family is doing a LOT. Several posts and pictures every day from what I see that people share, however I am unsure with social platforms how far they carry. I have read that MN and WI are covered well, I am just saying that if you are not looking for it, you may not even see it. I sure didn't and I tried to look at it as if I did not hear about this case. Nothing like "grabbed" my attention. Nothing. And at the very least, one would think there would be a billboard or two or a picture or BIG poster along the main drag. My hope is it is because the who is known but the where she is maybe is not. And again, this is just what I noticed. What does it cost for a standard billboard? I would gladly contribute. Just venting. I am sure the experts know far more.
 
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