WI WI - Milwaukee, WhtFem 40-60, UP7792, MickeyMouse watch, wedd'g ring w/ 'Emiliano 28-1-1953', May'74

[Coffee56]

Looking fo any little bit of scraps for either Emiliano or Margarita. I found the following at WI unclaimed property. I do not know when this is from The amount is small. Could be from many years ago.

Claim
Name
Street
City
Holder
Amount
Property ID
Select
VELEZ, MARGARITA
2036 W VILTER LN
MILWAUKEE
SEARS
less than $10
705535
https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/UnclaimedProperty/Home.aspx

Going to see what I can find out about the location. Any other thoughts. Last paycheck? Did she work at Sears?

 

[madamx]

I found a thread on Facebook on the Unidentified page I thought I would just bring it here

https://www.facebook.com/groups/128..._id=1506562902879495&notif_t=group_highlights

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...set=pcb.1422160734539875&type=3&theater&ifg=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...set=pcb.1422160734539875&type=3&theater&ifg=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...set=pcb.1422160734539875&type=3&theater&ifg=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...set=pcb.1422160734539875&type=3&theater&ifg=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...set=pcb.1422160734539875&type=3&theater&ifg=1

 

[Walko]

Do you think the ring has Emiliano as first or last name? I found some records on a free search site that have no exact marriage event date, others are close.

 

[Nate_Bro]

There was a Annie Marie that married an Emiliano Ordillas Beltran in Pasquotank, NC in 1953. Moved to San Francisco in recent years, shows as 90+ y.o now. If someone has access to findmypast.com or another site with marriage records maybe they can narrow down the date of the marriage.
https://tinyurl.com/y5yrcfcp
https://tinyurl.com/yywjy4w8
https://www.spokeo.com/Emiliano-Beltran

 

[Nate_Bro]

There was a Annie Marie that married an Emiliano Ordillas Beltran in Pasquotank, NC in 1953. Moved to San Francisco in recent years, shows as 90+ y.o now. If someone has access to findmypast.com or another site with marriage records maybe they can narrow down the date of the marriage.
https://tinyurl.com/y5yrcfcp
https://tinyurl.com/yywjy4w8
https://www.spokeo.com/Emiliano-Beltran

The marriage date seems to be 26 May 1953. Maybe 28-1 was their engagement?

 

[Nancy Drew RN]

In reference to posts saying that she could've been drunk, decomposition can also raise blood alcohol levels, up to 0.20. She may have gone into the water stone sober.

 

[Jlove]

This case seems SO very solvable.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Unidentified woman, possibly Hispanic, Italian or Native American found floating in Lake Michigan. She was wearing a wedding ring inscribed with 28-1-1953.

*** Warning, post mortem picture ***
She's case #1 here:
http://county.milwaukee.gov/MedicalExaminer/Unidentified-Adults1.htm

There's a Missing Person MP30254 on Namus that I feel has a lot of similarities to This Unidentified Person. The missing person's name is Christine Marie Honson. The things that could make her a possible match. She's Native American, 5'2, possibly wearing yellow brown pants, Blue ski coat, was wearing her mother's ring.

The things that aren't similar between the MP & UP are the date Christine Honson was reported missing 9/1/74, her age was 32 at the time she went missing, her estimated weight was 120-135 lbs, She was last seen in Grand Rapids Michigan, She was wearing an Yellow colored Blouse.
Grand Rapids Michigan isn't very far from Milwaukee WI like 4 1/2 hr drive. The age is estimated on the UP was 40-60 so maybe they estimated wrong. The weight difference isn't a huge difference MP 120-135 lbs UP 147 lbs. Although the color of the UP was Olive and the MP was Yellow the MP's husband also was unsure if she would have been in the same clothes he last saw her wearing. The UP was wearing Yellow Bra and Panties so maybe she was wearing a yellow shirt at some point as well. I was thinking although the dates are off maybe she wasn't reported missing when she really went missing.
Christine Marie Honson – The Charley Project
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[Giuc0]

JJ-MM-YY is also used in Central and Latin America, not only in Europe.
Date — Wikipédia


So, do not discount a MP from Central or Latin America with matching.

 

[Giuc0]

There's a Missing Person MP30254 on Namus that I feel has a lot of similarities to This Unidentified Person. The missing person's name is Christine Marie Honson. The things that could make her a possible match. She's Native American, 5'2, possibly wearing yellow brown pants, Blue ski coat, was wearing her mother's ring.

RBBM RSBM

Unless her mother was coming from Central or Latin America then moved to the US, the match is very unlikely.

The format date on the ring doesn't work for a match IMO.

 

[Giuc0]

Milwaukee County's website says that "Race Unknown"
Last unidentified adult.

WARNING: GRAPHIC PICTURE
Unidentified People | Milwaukee County Medical Examiner

IMO, I think that she is more Hispanic than Native.
Because of the name on ring & format date.

However, a Latina can be thought as a Native American because there are more often than not plenty of similarities.
My cousin on my maternal side is 100% Caucasian but when traveling in Americas, people think that she is NA. She is 100% Caucasian, mind you!

So, I take the race with a greater grain of salt than I did.


Aside the PM, -in B&W mind you- the whole description is leaning towards either Hispanic, European or race admixture like "Black + Hispanic", "Native + Northern African"....

Native American by itself, I doubt it.

 

[Giuc0]

Also, she wore a top full denture. Source: https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/7792/Images/29101/Original

The crutches belonging to her along with the top denture don't shock me. It suggests to me that UID has health issues with teeth, which can be connected with joint issues.
My first though is a rare disease called Ehlers–Danlos syndromes - Wikipedia
I'm not a doctor, but from what I found on Wikipedia is that osteoarthritis and joint dislocation are possible complications.
Patients with EDS may need crutches, even a wheelchair, and needing dentures because of digestive complications (gastroparesis is a possible one, watched a patient's video affected by EDS digestive & joint complications to the point she is fed by TPN, Total Parenteral Nutrition. She also needs to catheterise herself for urinating, mind you! I don't know if such YT link is allowed, so will ask to staff right away).

Also, in the "Management" paragraph on the same Wikipedia page:

Physicians may refer a person to an orthotist for orthotic treatment (bracing)

IMHO, we can not exclude a systemic illness without a proper diagnosis, as precise as we can have now. EHD genetic diagnosis was available only after 1997 (source: Wikipedia).

So, when looking at MP reports of the era, do not expect to find "Ehlers-Danlos syndrome" in the report!
Because it's very unlikely reported under such name in the "Medical" paragraph.


ETA: I am a patient classified as having a rare disease per my doctors, which explains why I focus a lot on details leading to the rare possibility.
If it's right, great.
If it's wrong, it's ok because we have closed a doubt.

 

[Giuc0]

On NamUS, the wallet found with the decedent is quite a masculine style, the ones used mostly by men.
https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/7792/Images/29092/Original

I turned around the picture on landscape picture than on portrait picture, the original photo is linked below. It's the only retouch I made on the photo, but the masculine style is more visible with a photo as a landscape angle than on portrait angle.



Also, I love when Milwaukee ME writes "Coin purse" Unidentified People | Milwaukee County Medical Examiner while NamUS site says that they found upper denture in! https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/7792/Images/29101/Original
/sarcasm

 

[Melt71]

While looking into some possibilities I found a woman, Jesusa Ayala Lopez, who married Emilio Morales Rivera in Puerto Rico on Jan 28, 1953. The location of their marriage, Dorado, PR, is interesting since the town's patron saint is Anthony of Padua. The saint depicted on the medal the UP was found with has lilies at the bottom which is symbolism commonly associated with Anthony of Padua.

I wasn't able to find any additional information and emailed NamUs what I had found. They replied and said they had also found that record but "it didn't lead us further to living relatives."

Has anyone else come across this record? If so, were you able to rule it out?

OK so here we have an overseas document with a number of possible connections including name, date, medal design. Where does WS go from here... hard to tell what LE’s research was like from the limited Namus response. Is there a way to check the PR census or house records for that village where the marriage occurred? Any member here in PR that can offer insight?

 

[Giuc0]

St Aloysius Gonzaga was an aristocrat in the Duchy of Mantua located in what is now northern Italy. (Italy didn't exist as a nation until relatively recent history, so to say he was Italian would be a misnomer of sorts.) He served several royal families in both present day Italy and Spain.

So, basically, he'd be more revered in Spain, Italy and among those educated by Jesuits. Not really all that helpful, I know. But that's what it is.

Ok, I found a school in Sao Paulo, Brazil, who revers this saint: https://www.saoluis.org/
Founded in 1867, but went coed only in 1967. Humm...

 

[Coffee56]

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[Wild Rose]

That Saint's feast day is June 21. In some countries, the saint's day is what your birthday is. So the medal might be from someone who was born on June 21st.

 

[Cubby]

While looking into some possibilities I found a woman, Jesusa Ayala Lopez, who married Emilio Morales Rivera in Puerto Rico on Jan 28, 1953. The location of their marriage, Dorado, PR, is interesting since the town's patron saint is Anthony of Padua. The saint depicted on the medal the UP was found with has lilies at the bottom which is symbolism commonly associated with Anthony of Padua.

I wasn't able to find any additional information and emailed NamUs what I had found. They replied and said they had also found that record but "it didn't lead us further to living relatives."

Has anyone else come across this record? If so, were you able to rule it out?

I can't read Spanish, but am wondering if the other names listed on the certificate, witnesses ?, could be researched. Perhaps they might be able to provide additional information about this couple?

 

[buyerninety]

That's interesting about 'Anthony of Padua' as the Wiki states;
"He typically appears carrying the infant Jesus and holding a cross."
The medal does appear to have him carrying a block of
wood that could be a cross and there appears to be
somebody laying sideways on that cross (not a
Crucifixion scene, possibly the Virgin Mary?) holding
something in their arms (baby Jesus?). Also, the top of
the head of the individual on the right appears as may
be consistent with the hair being cut in a Franciscan
friar tonsure. Also, there may be seen what could be a
turned down hood about his shoulders.

However, it seems unlikely the person 'Emilio' on the
marriage certificate is same person, due to the different
spelling of 'Emiliano' on the ring.

 

[buyerninety]

Maybe someone in Wisconsin could enlighten us - on
Google Maps, where exactly is 'Pier 5' on Jones Island
located?

 

[devertere]

My family is considering St. Anthony our patron saint although he isn't very "popular" around here.

He's basically considered a protector as he takes care of the "lost", no matter if people or items.

Central/Southern Europe descent is also possible.

Emilio is sometimes used as an abbreviation of Emiliano, would definitely not rule it out solely for that.