Working Theories Thread

[PorcineGranny]

Ok, my heart is breaking over Kyron, he looks like such a sweet little boy. But let me add one thing, and this is pure speculation. If Kyron has ADHD, he will of course be difficult to handle no matter how sweet he is. That with the fact he is not the SM's bio child would put great stress on her since she now has her own child. And I wonder how the father would react to all this.
But as others have said, I don't understand why get rid of him in any way, when he has a bio mom? Who understands how people think that would harm a child?

 

[CharlestonGal]

Ok, my heart is breaking over Kyron, he looks like such a sweet little boy. But let me add one thing, and this is pure speculation. If Kyron has ADHD, he will of course be difficult to handle no matter how sweet he is. That with the fact he is not the SM's bio child would put great stress on her since she now has her own child. And I wonder how the father would react to all this.
But as others have said, I don't understand why get rid of him in any way, when he has a bio mom? Who understands how people think that would harm a child?

BBM. I know, right? The problem is that TM did not have the power or authority to send Kyron to his mother. TM had that power and authority over her own 16 y/o son and was able to send him away, but she did not have that authority over Kyron - Kaine did and there was nothing TM could do about that.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Ok, my heart is breaking over Kyron, he looks like such a sweet little boy. But let me add one thing, and this is pure speculation. If Kyron has ADHD, he will of course be difficult to handle no matter how sweet he is. That with the fact he is not the SM's bio child would put great stress on her since she now has her own child. And I wonder how the father would react to all this.
But as others have said, I don't understand why get rid of him in any way, when he has a bio mom? Who understands how people think that would harm a child?

I was thinking the same thing.Were we told he was calm and timid?I am very familiar with ADHD.If he was calm and timid I am thinking he was on possibly ritalin?or some medication.I feel she could not give him to the bio mom because possibly the father would not do that and not agree to it.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I admit, its late here and... Im sleep-typing, but I hope Im misreading and no one is actually advocating leaving an 18 month old unattended at home or in a car.

I think what people are trying to point out is that someone cold blooded enough to plan the killing of a 7 year old boy probably would not be terribly freaked out at the thought of leaving an 18 month old baby unattended for a few hours.

Normal parents would never dream of leaving a baby or toddler unattended but someone who would carry out the premeditated murder of a 7 year old is not exactly a normal parent.

 

[balaney]

theory

One of the very first reports of a missing child indicated Kyron was ADHD. I only saw it one time.
Possibly his appointment was for a ritalin drug check. Maybe it was the 4th or the 11th. I believe he left the school after being told he had a dr appointment and that he left willingly with SM.

 

[IRule254]

Maybe it's just me, but I never left either of my boys ANYWHERE while I drove off in a car. I did not leave them in a crib, did not leave them on the floor or in a carseat, if I was leaving the house. I certainly did not give them snacks and a DVD. Do people actually do these kinds of things? I sincerely hope not, and if they are, I hope they stop. It's dangerous.

I am going to try to erase that horrid thought from my brain. I will say that it makes no sense that a woman who's supposed only motive for killing her stepchild is that it was competing with her child certainly would not leave that child alone while they run off to murder the stepchild. Ludicrous.
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I have thought it possible that SM left school, and rather than running errands as she claimed, actually met up with someone in the area searched. Perhaps for a tryst, maybe for drugs- who knows? Maybe she'd been overspending and was borrowing money that nobody knew about. There are plenty of reasons she could have lied- obviously, including murder. Maybe that was the reason initially no info came out- because SM admitting to 'something' that wouldn't look good- she just didn't admit to doing it that day. This is exactly why I'm glad I took my parent's lessons to heart and avoid lying... it's not worth getting caught for, and it makes even simple things worse.

If she had 'something' else planned for that day, it would explain why she wasn't chaperoning, and why she missed the talent show. Although, as someone else mentioned, unless it's in the evening, I often miss events like that at my children's schools- sometimes because I have other plans, sometimes because the children or school don't notify me, and to be honest, sometimes because I don't really want to do the activity, and my kids don't care if I miss it. Between all their sports activities that run me ragged, I just can't go to all of them. My bad.

They absolutely do.

I am a librarian at a Public Library and I can't tell you the number of times I have seen LITTLE kids dropped of at the library with a coke bag of chips...or nothing at all. (at which time they come to me asking if I have any snacks)

I have had parents leave 1 and 2 year olds on my side of the library while they go to use the computers on the other side where there is usually a 30-45 minute wait list and an additional 45 minutes on the computer. My area is very close to the only exit door.
This happens on a daily basis.


As far as the second bolded statement, I don't think it ludicrous at all. A very small window of neglect for a lifetime of freedom (so to speak). JMO.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I had a sudden idea as to how it could have happened that I haven't seen anyone else post yet. I consider it low probability, though.

If Kaine and Terri Horman had identical cell phones, it would not be impossibly difficult for Kaine to re-program his cell to be identical with Terri's (same phone list, photos, etc). They would still have different phone numbers but he could be fairly certain that Terri wouldn't check the number on her own phone.

So. He switches phones with Terri. He gives her about an hour's lead, to tour the science fair and leave Kyron at school. He then enters the school, lures Kyron out, commits murder and disposes of the body on Sauvie Island, carrying her phone the whole time knowing that it will ping its location.

He gets home early, which was expected because they're going to drive Kyron to meet his mother halfway. At some point, he quietly switches the phones again and starts to re-program his phone lists, etc.

He figures that LE will pull the ping logs ASAP. His plan was to frame Terri with the cell phone logs.

From her point of view, she's frustrated and upset: she's telling the truth that she never went to Sauvie Island and yet the police keep telling her that her cell phone pings place her there.

As I said above, I believe this is a very low probability theory. It does have a certain elegance to it, though. The perpetrator hid in plain sight by making one simple move.

 

[Cher352]

You make a lot of sense. She could have merely told Kyron that she was going to be dropping him back off after his appointment and to go drop his bags off in the class and to meet her at the front of the school.
The infant could have been at daycare or with a friend. Maybe this was the neighbor that was searched solely because it was the next place she was right after getting back that day.
I have been very slow to even consider SM as an option and I do this only because I respect whatever it is that the LE has discovered. I don't think we know the half of it. They are being so tight with any info that is out there.

This makes a lot of sense to me but then again I am of the theory that it was ever happened to Kyron was not planned but something that was not just an accident either. Maybe both parents are in on the cover-up as they fear the baby would have been taken away from them if they had reported it.

 

[CocoChanel]

I had a sudden idea as to how it could have happened that I haven't seen anyone else post yet. I consider it low probability, though.

If Kaine and Terri Horman had identical cell phones, it would not be impossibly difficult for Kaine to re-program his cell to be identical with Terri's (same phone list, photos, etc). They would still have different phone numbers but he could be fairly certain that Terri wouldn't check the number on her own phone.

So. He switches phones with Terri. He gives her about an hour's lead, to tour the science fair and leave Kyron at school. He then enters the school, lures Kyron out, commits murder and disposes of the body on Sauvie Island, carrying her phone the whole time knowing that it will ping its location.

He gets home early, which was expected because they're going to drive Kyron to meet his mother halfway. At some point, he quietly switches the phones again and starts to re-program his phone lists, etc.

He figures that LE will pull the ping logs ASAP. His plan was to frame Terri with the cell phone logs.

From her point of view, she's frustrated and upset: she's telling the truth that she never went to Sauvie Island and yet the police keep telling her that her cell phone pings place her there.

As I said above, I believe this is a very low probability theory. It does have a certain elegance to it, though. The perpetrator hid in plain sight by making one simple move.

...EXCEPT....LE would probably check the pings of WHATEVER phone Kaine was carrying also, and note IT'S location as well. If both phones turned up with discrepancies (Terri's phone pings near Kaine's office, or Terri's phone stays home all day), that would be discovered and investigated, no?

 

[violet67]

Not sure how this fits with a theory of exactly who took Kyron, but it's really weird that the teacher never noticed that Kyron's coat and backpack were left at the school all day and just "assumed" that the appointment was for that day. I can't imagine SM,a former teacher leaving a kid's backpack at school and not bringing the child back after the appointment. No offense, but the teacher does sound sort of ditzy and maybe that was taken advantage of along with the knowledge that the teacher wouldn't be going through folders checking off behavior or giving homework that day. I also can't imagine that Kyron's classmates didn't notice his stuff still at school and mention it to the teacher during the day or at the end. Very strange.

with all due respect i am guessing you havent been in a grade 2 classroom at the end of the school year - there are tons of coats, lunch bags, backpacks and just general kid stuff left at the back of most classrooms (and particularly so on a friday after a science fair and talent show) i really dont think it would draw immediate attention what i cannot believe is if this is so methodically planned out WHY on earth would you be stupid enough to have your cell phone with you and in defense of SM - why would you leave your 18 month old's pic as your profile pic on FB for 6 days (how could anyone be that niave as to not think it would raise a few eyebrows) i am surprised that no one has brought up insurance as a factor in motive again all this is JMO

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Maybe it's as simple as this: Having Kyron in the family kept them (particularly Kaine) in contact with Desiree. Could it have been sheer jealousy? Could SM have thought that with Kyron out of the way, the BM and SD would also be out of her life?

MOO, JMO, etc., etc.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Also, there was a talent show that afternoon, that SM never showed up for, even though Kyron was suppose to perform. Why on earth would any mother stay away from seeing her second grader perform, unless (of course) she knew HE WASN'T THERE to take part. MOO

 

[Wise Old Owl]

In developing a theory one must take these into account:

Means
Motive
Opportunity

Means - As this is a 7 yr old child - means could be anything and could include a whole lot of people.

Motive - Now you have to look at WHO would have a motive to want a 7 yr old gone? This usually spawns LE questions as to "who were the enemies?" "anyone with a grudge?" "any co-workers or management have a "problem' with you?" "anybody owe you money?" etc. Again, since this is a 7 yr old - NOT TO MANY people will fall in this category. It certainly could be another 7 yr old (or child) - bullies and all - but Kyron was a well liked child.

Opportunity: Being that this was a abnormal school day with all the chaos going on - opportunity was there. Sure, lots and lots of peeps with the "opportunity" but when you add the means and the motive to it - you will certainly narrow down the prospects.

When looking at this with these qualifiers - there is only one (or possibly two) that will easily fit into all three categories. This is JMHO and all.

 

[IRule254]

Also, there was a talent show that afternoon, that SM never showed up for, even though Kyron was suppose to perform. Why on earth would any mother stay away from seeing her second grader perform, unless (of course) she knew HE WASN'T THERE to take part. MOO

I was not aware that Kyron was going to perform?

 

[Astrella613]

Also, there was a talent show that afternoon, that SM never showed up for, even though Kyron was suppose to perform. Why on earth would any mother stay away from seeing her second grader perform, unless (of course) she knew HE WASN'T THERE to take part. MOO

He has four parents and none of them showed up. I wouldn't miss my children or grandchildren in a show ever. I took off work for many of them. This might mean he wasn't in the show but from some accounts, all the children were to be in it.

 

[violet67]

He has four parents and none of them showed up. I wouldn't miss my children or grandchildren in a show ever. I took off work for many of them. This might mean he wasn't in the show but from some accounts, all the children were to be in it.

i hear ya...gotta love those kid's school shows...but i think the science fair was the focal point of the day and the talent show was an end of the year fun show-case of singing and short skits. I can see Desiree and Tony not being there due to distance and dad due to work commitments. As the commited SAHM i am suprised that Terri would not be there however her created confusion over the apparent "appointment" was her out for that event...again JMO

 

[sofia76]

He has four parents and none of them showed up. I wouldn't miss my children or grandchildren in a show ever. I took off work for many of them. This might mean he wasn't in the show but from some accounts, all the children were to be in it.

There seems to be such a divergence of opinion on this. My parents were very involved parents (my mom volunteered at my school, too), but they didn't attend every single thing I did in school. I even participated in (and won) a school spelling bee and neither of them were in attendance. Granted, I had siblings, too, so my parents had other children to be concerned with. But I don't think not attending a group talent performance (lasting probably no more than 5 minutes) is a big deal or has any bearing on ones parenting skills. Especially when there are plenty of other ways the parents are present and involved.

 

[sofia76]

Then she either places him in a previously prepared grave or into a weighted container or suitcase and submerges him in the water. I don't believe she buried him though because too much evidence would have been left on her. The cleanest method is the water burial and is more likely.

After that, she simply drives away and goes about her errands. Her "side trip" with Kyron on her way to run errands could literally have taken 30 minutes or less.
The crime is clean. No evidence at home, at the school, or in the truck. TM believes the entire focus will be on the school and surrounding woods, which it was - at first. She believes she will be the object of sympathy as the grieving mother of a child who was lost by the school.
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A well-thought out theory. Although I didn't believe the SM did it early on, I feel it's looking like she did. I agree that if this were premeditated, the person who did it had already prepped a burial site or disposal site. Given the range of the search area, the LE seem to be very convinced that the perpetrator was on a very tight time frame. Notice that none of the search area crosses Hwy 26 or even goes that far north, nor does it involve any part of Forest Park (which one basically needs to hike into). So they believe that either Kyron was on foot, or whomever took him was in a car but had less than an hour.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I keep trying to post this and it keeps getting deleted for some reason:

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE THINK KYRON HAS ADD OR ADHD????

TIA.

I am very familiar with ADD/ADHD and the meds involved in keeping ones focus are STIMULANTS and should not have any effect on Kyron's timidness or shyness. What they do is stimulate the brain to give it focus so that children and adults make the right choices (and can basically think straight).

Yes, children who have it can be very difficult to parent. I should know, having had a 7-year-old unmedicated ADHD boy at one time (who is now older and, thank God, medicated - changed his academic life, I am convinced).

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Kyron has this medical condition and I'm just wondering where this is coming from.

 

[sofia76]

I keep trying to post this and it keeps getting deleted for some reason:

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE THINK KYRON HAS ADD OR ADHD????

TIA.

So far as I know this is unconfirmed. There was a poster or "help find Kyron" flier early on that said he "might have ADHD" and then also there is this recent news article about Kyron's teacher being given paperwork to fill out for a medical appointment that Kyron had; teachers here have commented that such paperwork is common in the process of diagnosing ADD/ADHD in school aged children.