Working Theories Thread

[carbuff]

Point taken...and very true (I think b/c I am a crier, I judge by that baseline). But you're very right...

I don't think we can totally ignore her (or anyone's) demeanor, either. There is something odd about the body language in that press conference. Not just hers, either. It seems like something more is going on.

 

[jwagoner]

Agree, and since this is a theories thread, I will add my theory on where I think the bio dad was that day:

I believe bio dad works from home on Fridays. Not that one is supposed to have kids around when telecommuting but it does happen on occasion. I think that explains why Terri had access to his truck that day and why the baby was not at school (as she has been on all the other occasions when Terri volunteered there).

When Terri got home "from her errands" which included actions against Kyron, she told Kaine the very same story she would later tell police. It was rehearsal so to speak.

Kaine working from home that day also explains why his internal work email on the Sunday after his son went missing stated "we" went to pick him up from the bus stop. That email, btw, sure was business like, lacked any kind of emotion, and told colleagues not to talk to the media.

See post #866 from this much earlier WS thread that has Kaine's email:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106330&page=35


He actually refers to Kyron's disappearance as "this situation".

Why that tone? I believe that Terri has been steering the ship from the moment she planned and executed this horrible act. After the deed was done, she came home like normal and rehearsed her story without Kaine realizing anything yet. She then started prepping him for how she could not possibly go on TV and that it would be best to stay out of the limelight. Once things got going in the news on Friday night and heated up Saturday, she prepped him for how to handle his workplace too. Make sure they don't talk to media, make sure they know we took him to school and then tried to get him from the bus, etc. And you can bet that whatever "Becky's" email said, Kaine had shared that with Terri and hence his response to colleagues to 'control the matter'.

I also believe that Terri steered Kaine originally into thinking Kyron would be found soon. That it really wasn't going to be a long drawn out scary affair. I think he bought it hook, line, and sinker. But by the time the "family" finally spoke in a press conference, I do believe he had his doubts about internal behaviors that he can now not talk about. I think he does have a clue at this point but doesn't know what to do about it.

He has to be embarrassed by actions she took on social media sites and even more embarrassed now as additional information comes out about the family (his brother Kristian going to jail for child molestation, his wife formerly being his nanny and has a DUI while driving with a minor, etc). No wonder he is exhausted.

Do I think he was the perfect dad? No way, Jose. Terri knew his weaknesses and exploited them. More on that later, lest I write an entire book with this post right now. :innocent:

Regarding not talking to the media, some employers (like mine) have policies in place about talking with the media for *anything*. The first thing the news does is start coming to your workplace and attaching your employer's name all over everything. So I wouldn't read too much into this. He did say he was contacting the legal department to see how to handle.

Joe

 

[Mylou]

I honestly have a very difficult time believing the SM had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance. I have been thinking about this for days now. Perhaps I don't want to believe that a woman that apparantly spends so much time with her children could do something like this.
I am leaning more towards someone in the school that day,
either a teacher, a parent.
Someone who has befriended the SM recently or even longer ago.
Someone with an interest in Kyron.
Someone who has gotten to know him , to know his interests , etc..
It appears all planned to me. I can't imagine it being a crime of opportunity because no one seems to have seen anything amiss. This person obviously doesn't stand out to anyone. Unless he or she is already a suspect and only the investigators know that.
I do remember the police saying that this will not be a cold case, which I think is why they are going back over everything from the beginning. Alot of cold cases that eventually get solved, it seems to me ,they had their eye on the right person from the beginning.
JMO

 

[twzzlrgirl]

I don't think we can totally ignore her (or anyone's) demeanor, either. There is something odd about the body language in that press conference. Not just hers, either. It seems like something more is going on.

Yes...but I can't exactly put my finger on it. I don't think SM's demeanor is genuine (maybe that's a better way to put it). Or she doesn't look as shocked or blindsided as I would expect (MOO).

MOO -- Kyron was not there on Friday. My guess is the setting up took place the day before, and that's when the picture was taken and the bookbag and coat were "left" in the room. No way would 2nd graders be setting up the morning of the fair. I teach middle schoolers and a morning set up is chaos. No...I think that's why the point of asking if anyone saw them on Friday.

 

[jwagoner]

Yes...but I can't exactly put my finger on it. I don't think SM's demeanor is genuine (maybe that's a better way to put it). Or she doesn't look as shocked or blindsided as I would expect (MOO).

MOO -- Kyron was not there on Friday. My guess is the setting up took place the day before, and that's when the picture was taken and the bookbag and coat were "left" in the room. No way would 2nd graders be setting up the morning of the fair. I teach middle schoolers and a morning set up is chaos. No...I think that's why the point of asking if anyone saw them on Friday.

I was thinking this as well, but I'm SURE that LE would have asked the father and daughter in that science fair pic if they were there on Friday morning or on Thursday evening. Surely! And if the answer was Thursday evening, then you've got a problem.

Joe

 

[eyes4crime]

A few days ago, I put my thoughts together saying I ruled out postpartum depression and what isolated incident meant to me. I also said there wasn't enough information to make a 'guilty' verdict.

Today I continue to be at the same impasse. The charge against step-mom Terri would most likely be...murder one , and for right now, there is NOT enough factual information for me to consider such a charge. I'll be back when more facts are available.

 

[CaringCitizen]

...Contrary to what many think, I believe LE is working a very complex strategy in this case. There are great measures being taken to ensure that the SM doesn't begin to feel like a suspect. LE knows what happened and working on proving it. In the mean time, they have to keep her from lawyering up and ruining any chances they have of getting the additonal information they need from her. Denying that the truck is involved in the investigation, disclosing very little about their investigation, this is all part of the angle they are working to solve this case.

Couldn't agree more! That is absolutely their strategy. LE takes of advantage (as they should) of the fact that it would seem suspicious and UNHELPFUL to the rest of the family if Terri were to get a lawyer and refuse polygraphs. Since she was (as confirmed by LE) the last person known to have seen Kryon before he disappeared, everything she can give to the case would be in Kryon's best interest.

Odd that it doesn't look like anyone is adjusting their theories now that some actual information has come out about the structure of the families involved.

One thing I'll note is that the description of the two women being best friends, having been friends before and after SMs marriage to biodad, certainly goes against all the 'observations' and 'ideas' people here had about supposed animosity between them, or some kind of coldness from the mom to SM. That is why I don't like to base my theories on things like my 'interpretation' of people's facial expressions, or my projections about how other people feel, when people are so very often wrong about things like that.

SM is still possibly involved, as are other people, but I think people should now tweak their theories to reflect that it appears there was no imaginary conflict between the women over parenting Kyron....

Check all of my posts - I (for one) never said anything about the moms not getting along. Why did I not say that? Because #1 it isn't relevant to this case IMHO and there weren't enough clues to this.

Next, why would one revise a theory when so far, EVERYTHING that comes out each day serves to validate my assumptions. Until something comes out that causes me to reject my theory, I am sticking to it.

• Terri was the perpetrator
• Bio dad worked from home, watched the baby, and became rehearsal material for Terri when she returned
• Bio dad suspects her now but can't/won't do anything right now to out her
• Bio mom and step dad also suspect her
• And lastly, LE absolutely suspects her but cannot say she is a POI lest she lawyer up and stop taking polys, stop socmedia activity, and stop talking to friends about 'her feelings'

 

[GrainneDhu]

I keep trying to post this and it keeps getting deleted for some reason:

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE THINK KYRON HAS ADD OR ADHD????

TIA.

I am very familiar with ADD/ADHD and the meds involved in keeping ones focus are STIMULANTS and should not have any effect on Kyron's timidness or shyness. What they do is stimulate the brain to give it focus so that children and adults make the right choices (and can basically think straight).

Yes, children who have it can be very difficult to parent. I should know, having had a 7-year-old unmedicated ADHD boy at one time (who is now older and, thank God, medicated - changed his academic life, I am convinced).

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Kyron has this medical condition and I'm just wondering where this is coming from.

Attention Deficit Disorder without Hyperactivity Disorder can manifest itself as dreaminess. Meaning that the child is easily distracted into their own thoughts, day dreams, etc. Such kids are often very quiet and may even seem withdrawn from the classroom. They are at higher risk for slipping past without notice because they aren't as obvious as a kid with Hyperactivity Disorder; sometimes they are described in group situations as "the invisible child."

The stepgrandmother said early on that Kyron was a sweet, dreamy, timid child.

 

[Emeralgem]

Yes...but I can't exactly put my finger on it. I don't think SM's demeanor is genuine (maybe that's a better way to put it). Or she doesn't look as shocked or blindsided as I would expect (MOO).

MOO -- Kyron was not there on Friday. My guess is the setting up took place the day before, and that's when the picture was taken and the bookbag and coat were "left" in the room. No way would 2nd graders be setting up the morning of the fair. I teach middle schoolers and a morning set up is chaos. No...I think that's why the point of asking if anyone saw them on Friday.

I agree.. I have only just begun to follow this case and am not familiar with alot of what has been posted since day one... but IF the school didn't open until 8:00 am on Friday morning and the children were due to start touring other exhibits by 9:00 am, I don't see how all the students with their parents would have had time to come in and set up their projects on Friday morning....Forty five minute set up for the entire school would have produced nothing but pure chaos..JMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

Interesting... Have you ascribed any meaning to the early quote(s) of "...his mother, whom he loves" ?

I haven't given that quote any particular weight because it is essentially hearsay evidence. It is someone's guess as to Kyron's feelings, which may or may not be accurate.

The one and only thing that makes me wonder a bit about Kaine Horman is that he is almost invisible in all this. Does that mean he's generally a quiet person who almost never makes much of a fuss or an impression? That could easily be it. Or is he succeeding in slipping under the radar? This is possible although I judge it unlikely.

 

[carbuff]

I agree.. I have only just begun to follow this case and am not familiar with alot of what has been posted since day one... but IF the school didn't open until 8:00 am on Friday morning and the children were due to start touring other exhibits by 9:00 am, I don't see how all the students with their parents would have had time to come in and set up their projects on Friday morning....Forty five minute set up for the entire school would have produced nothing but pure chaos..JMO

That's how my son's school did it -- and at least half the parents couldn't or didn't show up until just before the bell. Yes, pure chaos.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

I was thinking this as well, but I'm SURE that LE would have asked the father and daughter in that science fair pic if they were there on Friday morning or on Thursday evening. Surely! And if the answer was Thursday evening, then you've got a problem.

Joe

I definitely think they asked -- I'm just not sure we would be privy to that information yet.

My pondering is more along the lines of: do they already know they weren't there on Friday (hence the question on who might have seen Terri on Friday. If they were sure she was there with Kyron in the morning, the question becomes unnecessary). MOO and all that jazz

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Attention Deficit Disorder without Hyperactivity Disorder can manifest itself as dreaminess. Meaning that the child is easily distracted into their own thoughts, day dreams, etc. Such kids are often very quiet and may even seem withdrawn from the classroom. They are at higher risk for slipping past without notice because they aren't as obvious as a kid with Hyperactivity Disorder; sometimes they are described in group situations as "the invisible child."

The stepgrandmother said early on that Kyron was a sweet, dreamy, timid child.

This may sound crazy, but as a teacher, there is NO WAY that SF board was created by an unmedicated ADD kid. No way. Either he isn't ADD, or SM and BD did the board for him.

 

[IRule254]

I definitely think they asked -- I'm just not sure we would be privy to that information yet.

My pondering is more along the lines of: do they already know they weren't there on Friday (hence the question on who might have seen Terri on Friday. If they were sure she was there with Kyron in the morning, the question becomes unnecessary). MOO and all that jazz

Wonder where the little girl in the back of the pic is and if her and the parent with her were there on Thursday orFriday...anybody know?

That would be a pretty easy way to tell.

Whoops........im a little late on this........

 

[glorybug]

Hmmm. Well I guess that's why they call it theory... and not 'fact'.

Check all of my posts - I (for one) never said anything about the moms not getting along. Why did I not say that? Because #1 it isn't relevant to this case IMHO and there weren't enough clues to this.

Next, why would one revise a theory when so far, EVERYTHING that comes out each day serves to validate my assumptions. Until something comes out that causes me to reject my theory, I am sticking to it.

• Terri was the perpetrator
• Bio dad worked from home, watched the baby, and became rehearsal material for Terri when she returned
• Bio dad suspects her now but can't/won't do anything right now to out her
• Bio mom and step dad also suspect her
• And lastly, LE absolutely suspects her but cannot say she is a POI lest she lawyer up and stop taking polys, stop socmedia activity, and stop talking to friends about 'her feelings'

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Wonder where the little girl in the back of the pic is and if her and the parent with her were there on Thursday orFriday...anybody know?

That would be a pretty easy way to tell.

Whoops........im a little late on this........

Yeah, I keep coming in and out of this thread, so I don't know what's been posted so far or not

I'm just unaware of any setup for kids that age that would take place the day of the event. Too many things could go wrong. Setting up the day before allows for kids "forgetting" part of their project, spilling something, having something fixed that needs it. It also cuts down on the congestion in the morning. When I taught third grade (about 4 years ago), we set up presentations at least the day before -- sometimes several days before "the main event."

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Quote reply function not working for me right now! Quoting the post a few above from "JUST".

You know it's so interesting to read all these posts and theories! I don't know if it's because I live in the area or the people I talk to are better sleuths (than me), but for days I've heard exactly what's panning out:
1) Two teachers saw SM leave WITH Kyron on June 4th.
2) Parents heard her say Kyron had an appointment across a busy room
3) She failed the first polygraph, walked out on the second.
4) Her cell phone was in Sauvie Island and she said she was out running errands.
5) LE wants a confession and to find the boy which is why they are waiting to arrest (because then she will get a lawyer and stop talking)

I believe they are starting in right now with, "Listen Terri, things don't look good here. We know accidents happen. We aren't looking to prosecute anyone, we are simply trying to find the boy. Was there an accident with Kyron and you've been afraid you'd be blamed and taken away from your daughter? Tell us so we can clear it allllll up."

Me:

What?? She walked out on the second polygraph?? Do you have a link on that??

I double that WHAT?? If she walked out on the second, to me that's huge (and I didn't know she failed the first one).

 

[anamarieus]

was there some sort of jealousy between that project (unconfirmed of who it belongs to) and Kyron's?

 

[natsound]

Kaine working from home that day also explains why his internal work email on the Sunday after his son went missing stated "we" went to pick him up from the bus stop. That email, btw, sure was business like, lacked any kind of emotion, and told colleagues not to talk to the media.

See post #866 from this much earlier WS thread that has Kaine's email:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106330&page=35


He actually refers to Kyron's disappearance as "this situation".

Why that tone? I believe that Terri has been steering the ship from the moment she planned and executed this horrible act. After the deed was done, she came home like normal and rehearsed her story without Kaine realizing anything yet. She then started prepping him for how she could not possibly go on TV and that it would be best to stay out of the limelight. Once things got going in the news on Friday night and heated up Saturday, she prepped him for how to handle his workplace too. Make sure they don't talk to media, make sure they know we took him to school and then tried to get him from the bus, etc. And you can bet that whatever "Becky's" email said, Kaine had shared that with Terri and hence his response to colleagues to 'control the matter'.

Wow. If that email is authentic, it sounds like it's from a friend of a friend of a friend, not the dad of a missing child! Very odd. :waitasec:

 

[Wendy101]

My theory. Please consider that I have a diabolically criminal mind. I have drafted numerous murder plans in my head for a novel about the almost perfect murder, and I've thought out every detail in advance. My theory assumes the same of TH.

Motive. Simple. Kyron and the 16 year old are no longer welcome as part of TM's new blood family with KH. The 16 y/o is sent away easily enough, as KH has no legal or biological authority over that, but KH absolutely will not entertain any idea of sending Kyron to live with his mother. This frustrates TH to no end because she wants the new baby and herself to be the entire focus of KH, so she begins to plot.

TH, having watched many episodes of her favorite show, CSI, knows that the crime scene and the body hold hundreds of clues. It's very difficult to stage an "accident" or a SODDI scene, so she does the smart thing and plans that there be no crime scene or body at all. He can't disappear from home because that brings too much attention and too few possible perps. It can't be a busy mall or shopping center because there are too many cameras. After considering a few scenarios, she chooses a logical scene - the school.

Having chosen the scene, she thinks about how she herself can abduct the child from school. This presents problems. First of all, Kyron rides the bus and there is no reason for TM to be at the school on an average day. Second, she is a familiar face and will certainly be recognized and reported. So, she waits for an opportunity that she will be expected at the school. Third, she has to plan what to do with the toddler while she carries out her mission. Now the real planning begins.

The toddler. There are many pictures of the toddler at the school with Terri during school events. This morning, she does not bring the toddler. Why the departure from the norm and how does she explain it? I have not yet heard her explanation for this, but she manages some way to have the toddler elsewhere while she is alone at the school with Kyron. I have strong suspicions about where the toddler was that morning, but the information is rumor at this point. The point is, she manages and the toddler is not at the school with her and Kyron.

The confusion. TM counts on the confusion of that morning, and she deliberately adds some more. She gives the teacher "paperwork" the day prior for an appointment Kyron has on Friday. It has been confirmed that TM did indeed confuse the teacher with an "appointment" so that the teacher did not find anything amiss when Kyron was gone. The toddler is safely elsewhere and the school will not be alarmed at Kyron's disappearance. So far, so good.

The next problem is how to get Kyron out of the school. This is a possible scenario I posted elsewhere on the board:

"What's been in my mind from the beginning is Kyron's obvious pride in his exhibit - the tree frog. Many of us have suspected from the beginning that the frog was used as part of a ruse to get Kyron out of the school. Many doubted he would leave the school with a stranger for that reason - but I believe he would have left with someone who made it seem "OK". I also think it would have been necessary to enlist Kyron's help in the "sneaking out for a few minutes" part of the ruse.

If Kyron was told, "Hey, guess what? Mr. Science Teacher (or principal or whoever) says there are tree frogs in X place and it's OK for us to go over there real quick, as long as we're back in a few minutes and no one sees us go. How cool would THAT be for your exhibit! I'll go out the front door, you act like you're walking to your classroom, but sneak downstairs while no one is looking, then sneak to the truck! We'll get the frog and be back before anyone misses us!"

The beauty of this plan is that Kyron HELPS with his own disappearance. It can also be abandoned quickly if he is seen in the parking lot or seen getting in the truck. He had no reason to think he wouldn't be back - his coat and backpack were in the classroom. I think poor Kyron was tricked in the most heinous way by someone he trusted - because he wanted a tree frog."

Of course, it's not critical that the ruse involve a tree frog, that is just one example of a ruse that would have worked to gain Kyron's assistance. If TM or Kyron encountered anyone in the building or in the parking lot, the plan would have been abandoned at once. No crime had been committed at that point and TM could have taken him on the excursion and simply returned him to school. No more would have come of it and TM would have been back to square one.

But, as we know, they both made it to the truck without the "escape" being noticed. So far, so good. Now Part II of the plan kicks in. TM drives to a location she has already scouted and prepared. Again, if they are noticed along the way, TM can abandon the plan and return Kyron to school. But again, they are not noticed. She arrives at the location, does whatever she did to Kyron (I refuse to imagine this part). Then she either places him in a previously prepared grave or into a weighted container or suitcase and submerges him in the water. I don't believe she buried him though because too much evidence would have been left on her. The cleanest method is the water burial and is more likely.

After that, she simply drives away and goes about her errands. Her "side trip" with Kyron on her way to run errands could literally have taken 30 minutes or less.
The crime is clean. No evidence at home, at the school, or in the truck. TM believes the entire focus will be on the school and surrounding woods, which it was - at first. She believes she will be the object of sympathy as the grieving mother of a child who was lost by the school.

THIS POST IS A THEORY. IT IS JUST ONE POSSIBLE CHAIN OF EVENTS THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED DURING THE MORNING OF THE 4TH OF JUNE, 2010 AT SKYLINE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WOW!! Did I write this??? So very close to my thoughts!

My motive goes a bit deeper, but I can not post on the board yet, as I will most defiantly get a time out.