Working Theories Thread

[twzzlrgirl]

He has four parents and none of them showed up. I wouldn't miss my children or grandchildren in a show ever. I took off work for many of them. This might mean he wasn't in the show but from some accounts, all the children were to be in it.

Well, Dad was working and BM and SD lived quite a distance. But according to SM, she was running errands that day. I do believe he was suppose to perform that day, and if I find the link, I will post it. Please feel free (anyone) to offer a link that contradicts this if you have one :cow:

 

[Morag]

I had a sudden idea as to how it could have happened that I haven't seen anyone else post yet. I consider it low probability, though.

If Kaine and Terri Horman had identical cell phones, it would not be impossibly difficult for Kaine to re-program his cell to be identical with Terri's (same phone list, photos, etc). They would still have different phone numbers but he could be fairly certain that Terri wouldn't check the number on her own phone.

So. He switches phones with Terri. He gives her about an hour's lead, to tour the science fair and leave Kyron at school. He then enters the school, lures Kyron out, commits murder and disposes of the body on Sauvie Island, carrying her phone the whole time knowing that it will ping its location.

He gets home early, which was expected because they're going to drive Kyron to meet his mother halfway. At some point, he quietly switches the phones again and starts to re-program his phone lists, etc.

He figures that LE will pull the ping logs ASAP. His plan was to frame Terri with the cell phone logs.

From her point of view, she's frustrated and upset: she's telling the truth that she never went to Sauvie Island and yet the police keep telling her that her cell phone pings place her there.

As I said above, I believe this is a very low probability theory. It does have a certain elegance to it, though. The perpetrator hid in plain sight by making one simple move.

Interesting... Have you ascribed any meaning to the early quote(s) of "...his mother, whom he loves" ?

 

[CaringCitizen]

What I meant was, facts. It is strange that there is no mention of where the baby was during the time it took to drive Kyron to school, look at his exhibit and walk around....

The thing is, we still do not know where biodad was that day, what car he was driving. We don't know where the baby was....

Agree, and since this is a theories thread, I will add my theory on where I think the bio dad was that day:

I believe bio dad works from home on Fridays. Not that one is supposed to have kids around when telecommuting but it does happen on occasion. I think that explains why Terri had access to his truck that day and why the baby was not at school (as she has been on all the other occasions when Terri volunteered there).

When Terri got home "from her errands" which included actions against Kyron, she told Kaine the very same story she would later tell police. It was rehearsal so to speak.

Kaine working from home that day also explains why his internal work email on the Sunday after his son went missing stated "we" went to pick him up from the bus stop. That email, btw, sure was business like, lacked any kind of emotion, and told colleagues not to talk to the media.

See post #866 from this much earlier WS thread that has Kaine's email:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106330&page=35


He actually refers to Kyron's disappearance as "this situation".

Why that tone? I believe that Terri has been steering the ship from the moment she planned and executed this horrible act. After the deed was done, she came home like normal and rehearsed her story without Kaine realizing anything yet. She then started prepping him for how she could not possibly go on TV and that it would be best to stay out of the limelight. Once things got going in the news on Friday night and heated up Saturday, she prepped him for how to handle his workplace too. Make sure they don't talk to media, make sure they know we took him to school and then tried to get him from the bus, etc. And you can bet that whatever "Becky's" email said, Kaine had shared that with Terri and hence his response to colleagues to 'control the matter'.

I also believe that Terri steered Kaine originally into thinking Kyron would be found soon. That it really wasn't going to be a long drawn out scary affair. I think he bought it hook, line, and sinker. But by the time the "family" finally spoke in a press conference, I do believe he had his doubts about internal behaviors that he can now not talk about. I think he does have a clue at this point but doesn't know what to do about it.

He has to be embarrassed by actions she took on social media sites and even more embarrassed now as additional information comes out about the family (his brother Kristian going to jail for child molestation, his wife formerly being his nanny and has a DUI while driving with a minor, etc). No wonder he is exhausted.

Do I think he was the perfect dad? No way, Jose. Terri knew his weaknesses and exploited them. More on that later, lest I write an entire book with this post right now. :innocent:

 

[twzzlrgirl]

If someone has already posted this, forgive the double post

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Some interesting inside info about the family and a DUI arrest (and child endangerment) for SM.

 

[seeking truth]

A well-thought out theory. Although I didn't believe the SM did it early on, I feel it's looking like she did. I agree that if this were premeditated, the person who did it had already prepped a burial site or disposal site. Given the range of the search area, the LE seem to be very convinced that the perpetrator was on a very tight time frame. Notice that none of the search area crosses Hwy 26 or even goes that far north, nor does it involve any part of Forest Park (which one basically needs to hike into). So they believe that either Kyron was on foot, or whomever took him was in a car but had less than an hour.

Didn't LE also ask for information, video, pictures for the day before; June 3, 2010? I wonder if they are thinking along the lines of premeditation, also?

 

[CharlestonGal]

Agree, and since this is a theories thread, I will add my theory on where I think the bio dad was that day:

I believe bio dad works from home on Fridays. Not that one is supposed to have kids around when telecommuting but it does happen on occasion. I think that explains why Terri had access to his truck that day and why the baby was not at school (as she has been on all the other occasions when Terri volunteered there).

When Terri got home "from her errands" which included actions against Kyron, she told Kaine the very same story she would later tell police. It was rehearsal so to speak.

Kaine working from home that day also explains why his internal work email on the Sunday after his son went missing stated "we" went to pick him up from the bus stop. That email, btw, sure was business like, lacked any kind of emotion, and told colleagues not to talk to the media.

See post #866 from this much earlier WS thread that has Kaine's email:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106330&page=35


He actually refers to Kyron's disappearance as "this situation".

Why that tone? I believe that Terri has been steering the ship from the moment she planned and executed this horrible act. After the deed was done, she came home like normal and rehearsed her story without Kaine realizing anything yet. She then started prepping him for how she could not possibly go on TV and that it would be best to stay out of the limelight. Once things got going in the news on Friday night and heated up Saturday, she prepped him for how to handle his workplace too. Make sure they don't talk to media, make sure they know we took him to school and then tried to get him from the bus, etc. And you can bet that whatever "Becky's" email said, Kaine had shared that with Terri and hence his response to colleagues to 'control the matter'.

I also believe that Terri steered Kaine originally into thinking Kyron would be found soon. That it really wasn't going to be a long drawn out scary affair. I think he bought it hook, line, and sinker. But by the time the "family" finally spoke in a press conference, I do believe he had his doubts about internal behaviors that he can now not talk about. I think he does have a clue at this point but doesn't know what to do about it.

He has to be embarrassed by actions she took on social media sites and even more embarrassed now as additional information comes out about the family (his brother Kristian going to jail for child molestation, his wife formerly being his nanny and has a DUI while driving with a minor, etc). No wonder he is exhausted.

Do I think he was the perfect dad? No way, Jose. Terri knew his weaknesses and exploited them. More on that later, lest I write an entire book with this post right now. :innocent:

BBM. Me, too. I still had many thoughts flowing through my head the day of the first press conference in which she appeared. I watched it a few times because something about her bothered me immediately. Then it struck me - she looked like a bad actress who had been practicing "grief and worry" in the mirror. The mother was really feeling grief and worry and that shone through - what Terri was doing that day was acting it.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I don't know where I should post this - but this thread fits the closest.

Something is missing for me that we haven't been even given any "hints" or "rumors" at. What was Kyron's disposition for, let's say, the week before he was taken? Like from that Mon. through Thurs. - was he his normal, happy self? Did he seem "distracted", "upset" , nervous, maybe even a little withdrawn?

I would really like to hear about Kyron's behavior during the week BEFORE he went missing.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

BBM. Me, too. I still had many thoughts flowing through my head the day of the first press conference in which she appeared. I watched it a few times because something about her bothered me immediately. Then it struck me - she looked like a bad actress who had been practicing "grief and worry" in the mirror. The mother was really feeling grief and worry and that shone through - what Terri was doing that day was acting it.

Always look for tears -- real tears. Desiree has to be wiping her face almost constantly because she is crying buckets. Terri -- I haven't seen a tear yet. Just the "worry face."

Back to theories: I wonder if they want pictures from the 3rd because they wonder if Kyron was never even there on Friday. Is it positive that anyone else actually saw him? Or, are memories vague (being clouded by the fact that his SF project was set up...his bookbag was there, etc.) JMHO, by the end of the year, I can't remember what day it is, much less what students I've seen when. We see what we expect to see when things get overly hectic. Add to that that SM has possibly been purposefully misleading/confusing, and the mess could be very difficult to untangle.

What better time to do this than during the chaos of an all-school activity? MOO

 

[IRule254]

I don't know where I should post this - but this thread fits the closest.

Something is missing for me that we haven't been even given any "hints" or "rumors" at. What was Kyron's disposition for, let's say, the week before he was taken? Like from that Mon. through Thurs. - was he his normal, happy self? Did he seem "distracted", "upset" , nervous, maybe even a little withdrawn?

I would really like to hear about Kyron's behavior during the week BEFORE he went missing.

When I read this , it reminded me of that random comment supposedly posted by a school mate of Kyrons following an early article on the net...I am trying to find the link....

 

[K!tty]

Does anyone know if scent dogs were used in the beginning? I'm assuming so. That would have been very useful for LE to determine if Kyron left on foot, by vehicle, where the vehicle was parked, in which direction it traveled, etc.

Contrary to what many think, I believe LE is working a very complex strategy in this case. There are great measures being taken to ensure that the SM doesn't begin to feel like a suspect. LE knows what happened and working on proving it. In the mean time, they have to keep her from lawyering up and ruining any chances they have of getting the additonal information they need from her. Denying that the truck is involved in the investigation, disclosing very little about their investigation, this is all part of the angle they are working to solve this case.

 

[carbuff]

Always look for tears -- real tears. Desiree has to be wiping her face almost constantly because she is crying buckets. Terri -- I haven't seen a tear yet. Just the "worry face."

Back to theories: I wonder if they want pictures from the 3rd because they wonder if Kyron was never even there on Friday. Is it positive that anyone else actually saw him? Or, are memories vague (being clouded by the fact that his SF project was set up...his bookbag was there, etc.) JMHO, by the end of the year, I can't remember what day it is, much less what students I've seen when. We see what we expect to see when things get overly hectic. Add to that that SM has possibly been purposefully misleading/confusing, and the mess could be very difficult to untangle.

What better time to do this than during the chaos of an all-school activity? MOO

BBM -- That's not necessarily true. Some people are criers and some aren't. Some people bottle things up and some people express them. I can cry buckets over a horserace or a pretty seascape, but if I were in a situation like this, I would be numb, locking everything away to be processed later. I would probably be making inappropriate jokes -- God knows why, that's just what I do sometimes.

So I don't think any theories about anybody's involvement can be built on just their demeanor and whether we think they're expressing emotion appropriately.

 

[TrialAddict]

Does anyone know who paid to have the billboards put up across two states?

 

[carbuff]

Does anyone know who paid to have the billboards put up across two states?

The sheriff's department website says it was donated by the billboard company -- let me see if I can find the link again.

eta: Well, I can't get a link directly to the article, but here: http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276 It's about three or four items down.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

BBM -- That's not necessarily true. Some people are criers and some aren't. Some people bottle things up and some people express them. I can cry buckets over a horserace or a pretty seascape, but if I were in a situation like this, I would be numb, locking everything away to be processed later. I would probably be making inappropriate jokes -- God knows why, that's just what I do sometimes.

So I don't think any theories about anybody's involvement can be built on just their demeanor and whether we think they're expressing emotion appropriately.

Point taken...and very true (I think b/c I am a crier, I judge by that baseline). But you're very right...

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Does anyone know who paid to have the billboards put up across two states?

Clear Channel donated

 

[glorybug]

Odd that it doesn't look like anyone is adjusting their theories now that some actual information has come out about the structure of the families involved.

One thing I'll note is that the description of the two women being best friends, having been friends before and after SMs marriage to biodad, certainly goes against all the 'observations' and 'ideas' people here had about supposed animosity between them, or some kind of coldness from the mom to SM. That is why I don't like to base my theories on things like my 'interpretation' of people's facial expressions, or my projections about how other people feel, when people are so very often wrong about things like that.

SM is still possibly involved, as are other people, but I think people should now tweak their theories to reflect that it appears there was no imaginary conflict between the women over parenting Kyron.

I do wonder now, though, whether mom and SD were having to pay CS to SM and biodad.

 

[IRule254]

BBM -- That's not necessarily true. Some people are criers and some aren't. Some people bottle things up and some people express them. I can cry buckets over a horserace or a pretty seascape, but if I were in a situation like this, I would be numb, locking everything away to be processed later. I would probably be making inappropriate jokes -- God knows why, that's just what I do sometimes.

So I don't think any theories about anybody's involvement can be built on just their demeanor and whether we think they're expressing emotion appropriately.

I have been in a pretty bleak situation here recently and, sad to say, I did exactly this (bolded)

Not that I am defending SM, but I have to agree with you here.

 

[winterrose]

Agree, and since this is a theories thread, I will add my theory on where I think the bio dad was that day:

I believe bio dad works from home on Fridays. Not that one is supposed to have kids around when telecommuting but it does happen on occasion. I think that explains why Terri had access to his truck that day and why the baby was not at school (as she has been on all the other occasions when Terri volunteered there).

When Terri got home "from her errands" which included actions against Kyron, she told Kaine the very same story she would later tell police. It was rehearsal so to speak.

Kaine working from home that day also explains why his internal work email on the Sunday after his son went missing stated "we" went to pick him up from the bus stop. That email, btw, sure was business like, lacked any kind of emotion, and told colleagues not to talk to the media.

See post #866 from this much earlier WS thread that has Kaine's email:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106330&page=35

He actually refers to Kyron's disappearance as "this situation".

Why that tone?
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Me...
This is what has disturbed me from the first presser with them,his reaction to "this situation".I know everyone has a personality and deals with things differently,but this father's speech completely lacked emotion,his whole demeanor was emotionless,never spoke to Kyron.First I thought like he was in shock.But,now along with my theory of the SM taking Kyron,I'm wondering if he is possibly involved,if Kyron is hidden.His email was the same,lack of emotion as his speech at the presser.His behavior with the SM at the presser was more of a comforting for pretense to make her feel she's not suspected or something else.Either way,I can't put my finger on it,but I definitely feel he knows something,by way of her or LE.

 

[miabellamoure]

If someone has already posted this, forgive the double post

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Some interesting inside info about the family and a DUI arrest (and child endangerment) for SM.

Thank you for this link...VERY interesting to read about the family history!

 

[winterrose]

But,no matter what he knows or feels,his lack of emotion is so disturbing.If,as in the flyer,LE wants to know who saw the truck from 8am to 4pm,did someone pick her and Kyron up from the school.If so,who was it that wouldn't be suspect if seen?I'm saying if this whole plan for the day fell through.A man that was a stranger would be suspect if seen with them,but a woman or relative,not so much.