Working Theories Thread

[CaringCitizen]

To the failed the first polygraph, walked out on second - again, this is just a **RUMOR** around town that I heard (and if the moderator wants to delete, that's fine - no offense taken). I was saying that all the rumors I've heard so far have been confirmed days after I've heard them, and that's one of them.

Unfortunately I do think they deleted your post as I could not find it again after my reply. That's probably why the normal reply function wasn't working for me - timing of me trying while your post was being simultaneously deleted.

I am from around town too and just hadn't heard that yet. I agree, local rumours keep getting validated later so I anticipate seeing something on this too. Since this is a theories thread, I think you should have been allowed to post that - perhaps just calling that line item out as the next latest one that will likely be validated with links soon. Thank you for posting that!

 

[Padua]

This may sound crazy, but as a teacher, there is NO WAY that SF board was created by an unmedicated ADD kid. No way. Either he isn't ADD, or SM and BD did the board for him.

You'd be amazed at what ADHD, predominantly inattentive type kids can do when something interests them.

 

[Kimster]

Kimster's pet peeve is sleuthing minors. Pictures of minors.

If you want to discuss something with a minor's pic in it, link to the main stream media source and do not copy the pic on this forum. Kyron is the ONLY exception.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

You'd be amazed at what ADHD, predominantly inattentive type kids can do when something interests them.

No -- I believe that and have definitely seen it. I guess I should be clearer: this project does not look like a second grade project to begin with (between the board and the diorama). To add in that it was done by an ADD second grader would blow my mind.

Again, impossible: no. But JMHO.

 

[lightlady]

I feel so sad to have to even speculate on what might have happened. It took me so long to even half believe a parent could be involved.

I don't think any ruse would be needed to get Kyron to leave the school. If the teacher thought there was an appointment, perhaps Kyron thought so too. He could either have left with his stepmom or have met at a door later.

I hope none of this ends up true.

 

[justlogic]

Various news sources have reported Terri Horman was at the school Friday mourning, citing police and witness interview statements as their source. I think Kyron was removed from the school before 9:00am. He could have been dead and disposed by 10:00 am if he is within 5 miles of the school. There are 4 likely causes of Kyrons death. Suffocation,drowning,strangulation and blunt force trauma. Blunt force would be the most immediate and least time of personal contact. Blunt force is the most violent and could leave blood spatter and other evidence. The other 3 are less violent but would require fighting and restraining Kyron, watching Kyron die slowly and defensive action could leave evidence.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Various news sources have reported Terri Horman was at the school Friday mourning, citing police and witness interview statements as their source. I think Kyron was removed from the school before 9:00am. He could have been dead and disposed by 10:00 am if he is within 5 miles of the school. There are 4 likely causes of Kyrons death. Suffocation,drowning,strangulation and blunt force trauma. Blunt force would be the most immediate and least time of personal contact. Blunt force is the most violent and could leave blood spatter and other evidence. The other 3 are less violent but would require fighting and restraining Kyron, watching Kyron die slowly and defensive action could leave evidence.

A "drink" in the truck for him to have with something in it to make him sleepy or unresponsive would take care of the restraining problem. Once he's out, he could easily be suffocated or strangled, then the body dumped. (I hope to G-d this isn't true), but it is a possible theory.

 

[Wendy101]

My motive involves Kyron having a secret.

IF it is true that is was Desirre's weekend to have him, quite possibly that morning, Terri and Kyron were ..lets just say...not having a good morning.. and Kyron told Terri he was gonna tell this secret to his Mom and Tony......

Now, IF this was premeditated, it is quite possible that Kyron mentioned this earlier in the week....

*** These are OPINION only*****

 

[quadlatte]

Hypothetically speaking, in a case similar to this, one could imagine a damage control sort of scenario involving inappropriate relations occuring or being witnessed by a pair of siblings - in which one of the sibling pair is old enough to understand repercussions and is physically removed from the situation for protection - and the younger of the pair is the "loose cannon" so to speak and had threatened to or had already gone to authorities...

I could see where an emotional boiling point could be reached from a mentally exhausted mother's point of view, where she sadly came to a desperate "kill or be killed" decision that matters needed to be taken into her own hands...

(As an aside, if I may, I can also see how someone who valued her image enough to compete in bodybuilding competitions (not going to get into the hormonal aspect) could potentially have anger/resentment issues about her current weight - and how said potential anger/resentment could be directed toward a completely innocent party, an easy target...:furious

For now, this is the closest that I can come to a working theory for this case...(now time to go play with my precious children)

Praying for you, Kyron!!!

 

[akashana]

I posted a bit of this in the stepmom thread in agreement to how easy I felt it would be for SM or somebody else very, very close to Kyron to tell him to go on out to the truck and wait for her or them ther, she would be right along. Part of it depends upon whether or not Kyron had already presented his project to the judges, which is how it worked at every science fair I ever entered or observed; at some point, each kid gives an oral presentation of his project, answers a few questions and is judged. Had that occurred yet with Kyron? If not, a possible scenario could go like this:

SM or other person has already decided to get rid of Kyron and picked today for the day. But for this to work, Kyron would have to arrive at the school, be seen, be convinced to leave willingly on a day that he has great reasons to be there and be participating, i.e., the science fair and later talent show, and get out of the school undetected and without being seen again in the presence of SM or other perpetrator. That's a tall list, but not unachievable given the general chaotic atmosphere with parents and children arriving and leaving all morning.

So what if she or whomever says to Kyron that morning, "You know, that's a good tree frog project. But what would make it a great project is a real tree frog. How about we get one tomorrow after the pet shop opens at nine? We'll get to school early to set up, then slip out for the frog and surprise everybody. Don't say anything - it'll be our secret, and then you'll win!"

Kyron would be on that plan like white on rice, excited about his tree frog and maybe winning a prize. And after the project had been set up, picture taken, people greeted and acknowledged, telling him, "Run on out and get into the truck while I find your teacher to tell her we'll be right back."

Of course, no teacher is sought out or told anything like that, but it gets the parties out separately but into the truck together. It's a big truck. One smaller than average 7-year-old boy could quickly be subdued and manhandled by a former women's bodybuilder.

It's really ugly. But it could have occurred. We know something did, or he'd have long since been found.

 

[eyes4crime]

I had a sudden idea as to how it could have happened that I haven't seen anyone else post yet. I consider it low probability, though.

If Kaine and Terri Horman had identical cell phones, it would not be impossibly difficult for Kaine to re-program his cell to be identical with Terri's (same phone list, photos, etc). They would still have different phone numbers but he could be fairly certain that Terri wouldn't check the number on her own phone.

So. He switches phones with Terri. He gives her about an hour's lead, to tour the science fair and leave Kyron at school. He then enters the school, lures Kyron out, commits murder and disposes of the body on Sauvie Island, carrying her phone the whole time knowing that it will ping its location.

He gets home early, which was expected because they're going to drive Kyron to meet his mother halfway. At some point, he quietly switches the phones again and starts to re-program his phone lists, etc.

He figures that LE will pull the ping logs ASAP. His plan was to frame Terri with the cell phone logs.

From her point of view, she's frustrated and upset: she's telling the truth that she never went to Sauvie Island and yet the police keep telling her that her cell phone pings place her there.

As I said above, I believe this is a very low probability theory. It does have a certain elegance to it, though. The perpetrator hid in plain sight by making one simple move.

I find this so interesting GrainneDhu! I also leave open the possibility s-mom may have been setup or framed. We don't know the amounts and how many insurance policies there are for little Kyron, motive could be as simple as greed/money. Could be both s-mom and dad. Possibilities galore here. mhoo

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Let me just take a moment to say that I pray Kyron is safe, and I hope that all our theories (as brilliant as we are) are all completely wrong.

I would like nothing more than to be wrong....

 

[seeking truth]

Odd that it doesn't look like anyone is adjusting their theories now that some actual information has come out about the structure of the families involved.

One thing I'll note is that the description of the two women being best friends, having been friends before and after SMs marriage to biodad, certainly goes against all the 'observations' and 'ideas' people here had about supposed animosity between them, or some kind of coldness from the mom to SM. That is why I don't like to base my theories on things like my 'interpretation' of people's facial expressions, or my projections about how other people feel, when people are so very often wrong about things like that.

SM is still possibly involved, as are other people, but I think people should now tweak their theories to reflect that it appears there was no imaginary conflict between the women over parenting Kyron.

I do wonder now, though, whether mom and SD were having to pay CS to SM and biodad.

BBM

Hi glorybug.

*Addition to address why I've rambled on about the newspaper story. Glorybug wonders:

"Odd that it doesn't look like anyone is adjusting their theories now that some actual information has come out about the structure of the families involved."

My theory, or theories, are not affected by the newspaper story for the following reasons:

Speaking for myself, the story in the paper today listed a few factual dates, but it was not a well-rounded account of a "blended family" because only one half (possibly only one quarter) of that blended family was represented.

The story did not include Desiree's viewpoint. Desiree is Kyron's mother. Her input and HER friend's and family member's input is needed, along with that of her husband's. And some more input from Kaine, though it is from Tony and Desiree Young I really want to hear from.

Not that they should speak out. Especially right now about the topics in this article. This is like a human interest story in the middle of the terror and grief of a little boy being presummed dead. The timing is suspect, the contributors to the story are suspect, in that there appears to be an agenda for the step-mom's reputation. (I do not mean that they are suspects in the crime against Kyron). This is just my opinion and it doesn't have anything to do with right or wrong; this is obviously something we all have to decide for ourselves, and I imagine that Terri's family wants to help her.

It is just that, if a person is going to be fair and put a story like this out there, then shouldn't it, and mustn't it, include ALL of the blended family's perspectives on each of the chosen issues covered?

Who truly speaks for Kyron?

My OPINION

 

[cluciano63]

I can't get past an accidental death, if a parent was involved, or maybe I just do not want to imagine any or all of the preplanning that would have had to occur if not accidental. i can see how many of the post-actions would fit into an attempt to shift blame to school and cover-up actions. I guess my theory of the day is an accidental death followed by this blame/cover-up business.

 

[carbuff]

I see lots of room for a crime of opportunity -- someone who either works at or is familiar with the basement or back rooms of the school, who has fantasized about taking a child and thought about how it could be done. And when they saw Kryon alone in the hall, the fantasies took over. I picture a quick grab and drag into basement or steamer room or someplace like that. If that's what happened, K's probably still in the school, hidden behind a furnace or in an electrical closet or something.

 

[carbuff]

I can't get past an accidental death, if a parent was involved, or maybe I just do not want to imagine any or all of the preplanning that would have had to occur if not accidental. i can see how many of the post-actions would fit into an attempt to shift blame to school and cover-up actions. I guess my theory of the day is an accidental death followed by this blame/cover-up business.

I think that scenario is quite plausible also.

 

[eyes4crime]

Hi glorybug.

Speaking for myself, the story in the paper today listed a few factual dates, but it was not a well-rounded account of a "blended family" because only one half (possibly only one quarter) of that blended family was represented.

The story did not include Desiree's viewpoint. Desiree is Kyron's mother. Her input and HER friend's and family member's input is needed, along with that of her husband's. And some more input from Kaine, though it is from Tony and Desiree Young I really want to hear from.

Not that they should speak out. Especially right now about the topics in this article. This is like a human interest story in the middle of the terror and grief of a little boy being presummed dead. The timing is suspect, the contributors to the story are suspect, in that there appears to be an agenda for the step-mom's reputation. (I do not mean that they are suspects in the crime against Kyron). This is just my opinion and it doesn't have anything to do with right or wrong; this is obviously something we all have to decide for ourselves, and I imagine that Terri's family wants to help her.

It is just that, if a person is going to be fair and put a story like this out there, then shouldn't it, and mustn't it, include ALL of the blended family's perspectives on each of the chosen issues covered?

Who truly speaks for Kyron?

My OPINION

I saw it as a time-line of step-mom's life. In a time-line you don't include the time-line of others. Certainly it is more factual than rumor/gossip and random comments to an article. For me, it cleared up what many have called 'lies' regarding her resume. Talked about how complex her marriages/divorces have been, and how the two women met. Yes, it's from the step-mom's point of view so maybe the next article will be from mom's time-line and point of view. hopefully. moo mho

ETA: It doesn't speak to innocence or guilt/doesn't seem to have an agenda in that respect. moo

 

[jwagoner]

Yeah, I keep coming in and out of this thread, so I don't know what's been posted so far or not

I'm just unaware of any setup for kids that age that would take place the day of the event. Too many things could go wrong. Setting up the day before allows for kids "forgetting" part of their project, spilling something, having something fixed that needs it. It also cuts down on the congestion in the morning. When I taught third grade (about 4 years ago), we set up presentations at least the day before -- sometimes several days before "the main event."

Well something to think about re: "when" the Science Fair was supposed to be set up: It looks like this particular school does it actually in the classroom, on the students' desks. So set up would had to been Thursday evening or Friday morning, otherwise the classroom would be unusable.

Since Kyron rides the bus home in the afternoons, I'm guessing Friday morning was the only time stepmom would have been able to take the photo, when is when she took him to school.

I'm really thinking there is nothing to see here as far as the science fair photo, when it was taken, etc. That part of the story seems pretty legit from all angles.

Joe

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Well something to think about re: "when" the Science Fair was supposed to be set up: It looks like this particular school does it actually in the classroom, on the students' desks. So set up would had to been Thursday evening or Friday morning, otherwise the classroom would be unusable.

Since Kyron rides the bus home in the afternoons, I'm guessing Friday morning was the only time stepmom would have been able to take the photo, when is when she took him to school.

I'm really thinking there is nothing to see here as far as the science fair photo, when it was taken, etc. That part of the story seems pretty legit from all angles.

Joe

I hadn't even thought of the bus the day before...I think you are right.

 

[GrainneDhu]

No -- I believe that and have definitely seen it. I guess I should be clearer: this project does not look like a second grade project to begin with (between the board and the diorama). To add in that it was done by an ADD second grader would blow my mind.

Again, impossible: no. But JMHO.

I'm no expert in child development, just have experience from attending many such events with my nephews.

The project looked very, very good, almost professional. Kyron would certainly not be the first kid whose project was essentially done by adults (usually parents).

He may well have found all the information in his exhibit and had an adult (parent) format it on the computer, print it out, cut it out, matted it and paste it up for him. In other words, Kyron did the research, the adult did the actual formatting, printing and pasting, possibly in consultation with Kyron as to the layout ("what do you think, should we put this chart over here?").

This would have been acceptable at my nephews' school in the lower grades. In the higher grades, the students are expected to do it all themselves... but they also have much higher skill levels than the average 7 year old.