WV WV - Aliayah Lunsford, 3, Lewis Co., 24 Sep 2011 - # 6

[Mjskit]

I am trying to find other cases where this has happened. Like, a parent searching for a kid for hours and literally not telling or asking anyone including neighbors standing outside at the time or the grandma involved in the kid's lives. I am just curious to see how common it is.

If I remember correctly, the neighbor said he was outside all morning and didn't see anything. Then he didn't see LL get in the car to go search for baby A. and the news reports say she did. She was on video.

Did the neighbor say he saw her leave?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

If I remember correctly, the neighbor said he was outside all morning and didn't see anything. Then he didn't see LL get in the car to go search for baby A. and the news reports say she did. She was on video.

Did the neighbor say he saw her leave?

He didn't hear anything either.

 

[MarthaM]

It makes very little sense to me to drive about alone trying to locate a three year old. The chances are that if she wandered away from home a short time ago she didn't get far from the home and the further you drive the more it becomes like a needle in a haystack. The child may or may not be so obliging as to stand beside a road visible from a van. With the motor running, you might yell her name but you might not hear the child respond.

Maybe she thought of someone who might have taken the child and went to check? To ask the stepdad? A relative? A friend?

That's what I thought in the beginning... that she wasn't just driving around randomly but checking places she might be. I don't remember if I actually said it here, but I thought maybe she might have gone to the place where the stepdad works to see if she'd gotten in the car or anything. I also wondered if maybe they only had one cellphone and stepdad had it, which is why she couldn't call people.

 

[Westinlund]

Just back-tracking a bit here. Has it ever been verified by anyone other than MSM exactly how many people were living in or staying at the house? I also wonder if it is standard practice for the SD to ride to work with a friend and leave the car for LL or if it was just that day because the vehicle was low on gas or to create an alibi.

RL always catches a ride to work from a co-worker/friend. I know the co-worker's brother.

 

[Mjskit]

I am trying to find other cases where this has happened. Like, a parent searching for a kid for hours and literally not telling or asking anyone including neighbors standing outside at the time or the grandma involved in the kid's lives. I am just curious to see how common it is.

He didn't hear anything either.

Which could mean he wasn't outside all morning as he said. Because she did leave and she may have yelled for baby A. I don't picture her as a yeller though so I will say called for the child.

 

[nanak]

From my understanding of the MSM reports and interviews, the neighbor lived on Dennison Street. The family parked out back, and would have driven on Armory Road to leave the area. So "technically" all sorts of people could have been in and out without him seeing it.

But she sure didn't go out desperately looking for her babygirl or he would have HEARD her.

 

[SmoothOperator]

That was my thought as well Gitana. Honestly after all the griping I've done, she sounds mostly credible in this call. Maybe it wasn't irregular for G-ma to show up and help her out with the baby but like she said, you'd think she'd have woken her before leaving with Baby A. This is just a call, a recorded one at that, but she sounds credibly upset to me. We'll wait and see. JMO

Kljohnson, you spoke my exact thoughts ^above^.. I mean point for point and to a tee these were my thoughts that iw as about to post at the bottom of this page(good thing I was reading the posts az I was scrolling down to the reply box at bottom of page.. Otherwise my post would have been literally an almost identical post as yours)..

I know personally I have been very leery of mom since almost the get-go.. Due to my being via mobile presently I had not yet been able to listen to the 911 calls on WBOY(IPhone not compatible for Flash media).. So was thrilled when I saw it'd finally been posted to YouTube and now able to listen for myself.. This, for me is of huge importance.. Tho, I rely heavily on the hard facts of a case.. Most times, as is here we have such a tiny modicum of "facts" to work with and in that situation my intuition becomes all the more important and necessary IMO.. Tho, no special gifts here by any means but rather just as I've gotten older I have become more in tune with my entire being, body, mind, and soul, and have learned to listen to intuition, hone in on what I believe to be a God given gift that we all have, and mothers tend to have even stronger and keen senses in these areas.. So, with that said it was of the utmost Importance for me to hear the calls myself.. So much lies in the voice, the inflection and emotion in words, and of course the obvious demeanor that can be heard through one's voice..

And I must admit I am a bit shocked.. However I am pleased that my intuition is able to still be totally objective even tho my mind is heavily influenced in feeling mom had involvement..so, many say that when one has their mind made up of what they feel was to have occurred(as in whose guilty of "disappearing" Aliayah) that once the mind has a particular theory that we tend to disregard any further info that comes to light that DOES NOT support that theory our minds has pretty much settled on.. that we even go as far as to "look for evidence" to further support only that theory and by doing this of course, one is no longer looking at things from an objective view.. In my personal self I have found this to be false.. And I prove to myself time and time again that just as I did here when I am faced with new info that comes to light I AM STILL VERY MUCH ABLE AND DO LOOK AT EACH NEW PIECE OF INFO OBJECTIVELY.. REGARDLESS that it not only doesn't support my theory of mom involved, but actually even works against that theory of mom involved..

But just as kljohnson said best In her ^above^ post.. We will just have to wait and see.. IMO the next piece(s) of evidence or info that comes to light will definitely ATLEAST give us a better grasp of one way or another..

Unfortunately at this time I am not feeling certain about anyone in particular's involvement and of who is the responsible party for Aliayah being gone.. I'll just have to be patient and wait for more info(patience not my strong suit).. And continue to pray that little Aliayah is found..

Nothing more than jmo, tho!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Which could mean he wasn't outside all morning as he said. Because she did leave and she may have yelled for baby A. I don't picture her as a yeller though so I will say called for the child.

She wasn't a yeller, she wasn't a door knocker and she wasn't a flagger downer either. Just some of the things that make me say she wasn't a searcher.

 

[Westinlund]

From my understanding of the MSM reports and interviews, the neighbor lived on Dennison Street. The family parked out back, and would have driven on Armory Road to leave the area. So "technically" all sorts of people could have been in and out without him seeing it.

But she sure didn't go out desperately looking for her babygirl or he would have HEARD her.

I concur, my wife has some photos from the back of the house. There is a carport there and at least two vehicles parked. The cars may not have been visible while parked, but you'd normally notice a vehicle leaving the area, as the witness house is directly across the street.

 

[StrayKat]

I am trying to find other cases where this has happened. Like, a parent searching for a kid for hours and literally not telling or asking anyone including neighbors standing outside at the time or the grandma involved in the kid's lives. I am just curious to see how common it is.

Casey Anthony did it for a month without telling anyone.

 

[deelytful1]

I know, I can't even find any rumors

:giggle:

 

[cachmo]

From my understanding of the MSM reports and interviews, the neighbor lived on Dennison Street. The family parked out back, and would have driven on Armory Road to leave the area. So "technically" all sorts of people could have been in and out without him seeing it.

But she sure didn't go out desperately looking for her babygirl or he would have HEARD her.[/QUOTE

When my middle son was 4 he went through this stage that he ignored you. That being said, we went to my dads to visit and they have a huge house. There was people on every level and outside. The kids kept running in and out up stairs down stairs etc., I noticed my little red head wasnt bouncing through. I started calling for him went all over looking for him couldnt find him went outside my cousin who happens to live outside heard me yelling came running over and helping look. The whole time I had my phone in my hand ready to dial 911. By this time everyone was looking for him. He was found in a restroom that was never used. He was using it just not answering. Lord i cant tell a short story sorry. My point was the neighbor heard me yelling for him and I was one step away from calling the police.
These are my reactions and I do not expect anyone to behave as I do/did

 

[SmoothOperator]

In looking at everything we know thus far.. Even tho, in hearing the 911 calls myself and feeling as tho Mom seems to genuine in the calls.. I am leaning towards that its possible that "at that time" of the 911 calls that LL did NOT know where Aliayah was.. But for me the question is what occurred in the time immediately thereafter(those following 24frs IMO are crucial).. I am leaning towards LL learning in those 24hrs just what happened to her daughter and whatever it is LL has motive for continuing to claim she doesn't know what's happened or where Aliayah is..

I really have to think on this and continue reading over what little we do know for certain and how the case has thus far unfolded.. Because for absolute certain, at this point I am not sure of anything.. I just know that there are indicators IMO that LL has knowledge of what's happened to Aliayah.. But this time I also feel as tho her initial 911 calls "seem" to be genuine IMO..

When I have time this evening I'm gonna go back and see what reviewing everything thus far does for my thoughts or theories.. Which of course ARE subject to change!?!?:crazy:

 

[deelytful1]

She wasn't a yeller, she wasn't a door knocker and she wasn't a flagger downer either. Just some of the things that make me say she wasn't a searcher.

ITA
The baby just turned 3 years old... you might run down to the water, look behind the house, look in her secret hiding places, call the grandmother who apparently may come and take the child sometimes but why on EARTH would you get in a car and travel into town??? Sorry, doesn't pass the sniff test.
Common Sense tells you she was wasting time for some reason or perhaps getting her story straight in her head IF she had anything to do with the disappearance. IMOO

 

[Mjskit]

She wasn't a yeller, she wasn't a door knocker and she wasn't a flagger downer either. Just some of the things that make me say she wasn't a searcher.

:floorlaugh: I like you!

 

[tlcya]

That's what I thought in the beginning... that she wasn't just driving around randomly but checking places she might be. I don't remember if I actually said it here, but I thought maybe she might have gone to the place where the stepdad works to see if she'd gotten in the car or anything. I also wondered if maybe they only had one cellphone and stepdad had it, which is why she couldn't call people.

She did tho, manage to make a call to 911, apparently from the home. And even if she had no phone at her disposal - I am imagining that any one of many neighbors could have lent her one, they were but a knock away. Also I imagine any number of gas stations, convenience stores, and other businesses open on a saturday would have been more than happy to let her use a phone during her long drive.

Please do not misunderstand. It is not my intention to beat up on mom. I have not walked in her shoes. But I have no intention of pretending some of her behavior upon finding her daughter missing does not cause me to wonder.

Because it does. Not saying there might not be explanations, any number of which have been posted and speculated upon low these many threads. But I am saying, to my eye, her drive, her search, etc. were all outside what I would expect given her missing child.

 

[kljohnson0458]

To Smooth Operator: I agree with your post 100%. I was thinking this morning while getting ready for work, that when I read message boards I shouldn't immediately jump to the defense/offense of something that's posted because most likely the poster doesn't look at things the way I do. I've been reading alot about the MJ trial (at another site) and posters there just go off the deep end with all of these stories they've woven from their opinions rather than facts and I get agitated and want to scream. Everyone who has posted on Baby Aliayah's thread here at WS thinks before they type and comes up with truly thought out weaves of what might have happened. I for one, go with my gut and wait till I hear enough (at least I try) before I can really say much. This case so far has been easy for me because of you and others who post here at WS. Now the Anthony case was a whooooooooole different ballgame. We all knew from the get go the Tot Mom should never have walked and it haunts me to this day. The 31 days said it all. I will now sit back and wait because something his going to blow any day now and that 911 call (which I want to believe) might be part of that. JMO

ETA: On subject of LL not running to neighbors to use their phones. She hadn't lived that but a month if I recall correctly and given her past history in this small area, maybe she didn't just open up her life to people she probably hadn't even met. She appeared to me on camera to be a little shy and unlike me wouldn't just knock on a neighbors door and bring them in to her personal life. JMO. I would do it in a heartbeat but others wouldn't. Some women are so controlled by the men in their lives that they aren't to talk to ANYONE. Here I am giving her credence again but I'm still waiting.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I tested myself with this one.

I take my child to the babysitters who is sick with the flu. I come back 5 hours later to pick her up and the babysitter tells me she is missing.

I find out the extent of the search for her has been looking in the house and driving around in the van for 2 hours. Nothing else.

If I could refrain myself from killing said babysitter there would be no way that LE would not have her locked up that day.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Which could mean he wasn't outside all morning as he said. Because she did leave and she may have yelled for baby A. I don't picture her as a yeller though so I will say called for the child.

This guy doesn't say he saw lena leave or that he didn't see her leave.

If he was in fact outside when lena left, and he did see her leave, he doesn't say he thinks lena saw him. maybe she did maybe she didn't.

he says he was outside loading a truck until just before 10am and he didn't see anything strange.

 

[deelytful1]

Wow..I'm reminded of all the people in the Celina Cass case that was condemning the mom for being HYSTERICAL when she found out her 11 year old was missing. :lol: now people are arguing that it may be possible for LL to not want to knock on doors or call 911 right away for fear of repercussion when a 3 year old is missing.
I just always try to use the common sense God gave me and The way Celina's mother reacted is the way MOST mothers would react unless they weren't really concerned with the welfare of the child. You'd be hysterical, frantically running to neighbors and asking for every last person to help you find her.
Also, remember she had a 9 year old and 11 year old to run the terrain for her (if her excuse was that she was pregnant)
My son went missing for 5 minutes once when he was 6. knocked on the door of the kids house he was supposed to be at, no answer..looked around the yard where the kids play..nothing. Then it was ON.. Ran to the office and asked the woman if the maintenance guy could make a rounds of the property and when she said "oh, he's on a call" I was going to rip her head off and i cursed her out. Then some ladies (who, mind you, I had never seen nor spoken to before) heard me and started to go towards the next complex to look and I was on the phone with 911 running amok.
I get the willies just reliving that! He was in the house but no one heard me pounding and the bell was broken.
That fiasco took all of 10 minutes.... I would have had to be sedated if it was 2 hours.