WV WV - Aliayah Lunsford, 3, Lewis Co., 24 Sep 2011 - # 6

[ClaireNC]

I think there was so much edited out after that and there's no way to tell what info was/wasn't given during the calls.

I have listened to a few different versions of the 911 call and it is odd how my computer seems to be "buffering" at the same time during each version. In the more public versions, the grandmother's telephone number is obviously "bleeped" out. In all versions there are odd silences where critical information might have been given.

The two things that really stand out to me, is the time the mom said she saw baby A was "really early", (I assume LL said something like at 6:30 when I got up with SD). In the recordings that are currently available, the dispatcher repeated with 6:30 am. Something is missing there. How did the dispatcher get 6:30 out of "really early".

The other part is where the dispatcher asked about other adults in the household. It sounds like LL answers the question, but it is just a blank/buffering sound on my computer, with no real answer to the question. I think LL gave the name of the SD at that point, but it has been blanked out for the rest of it.

I find it interesting that they left the information about the bio dad in the call but seem to have blanked out any reference to the SD.

As for the whole bit about mom driving to look for the baby and not calling her mother until after the fact, that just looks suspicious to me. If the grandmother regularly stops in to take one or some of the children, wouldn't you call her right away to see if she has the child? I know I would.

If faced with this situation when my children were still small, the first thing I would do is do a quick run through the house and yard calling his or her name. If it was typical for my mother, sister, or friend to come by to take the kids out for a bit, I would probably call them. Then I would call the police. But...there would be less than 5 minutes from the time I realized my child was missing to the time I called the police.

While waiting for the police, I would be running around from neighbor to neighbor looking for the child. I would also enlist the help of the 9 and 11 year old to help in the neighborhood search at that point. Kids that age are old enough to run around the neighborhood calling a child's name.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Respectfully Snipped-Originally Posted by: Melanie

Why does this bother me?

"it's a girl"
"it's a girl and this morning real early i went in to check on her cause she's been sick with the flu."

Why is she referring to baby A as an "IT"?

I know I'm being overly critical and I apologize.

MOO

Mel

Mel, I personally do not believe you are being OVERLY critical.. Tho, IMO in my listening to the 911 calls the ONE time that I have I feel as tho LL seems genuine in most ways throughout the call.. I did have pen and paper ready and waiting as I listened to make detailed notes on what I expected to be many issues I was going to find in the call.. This issue that you have pointed out ^above^ is what I wrote in ALL CAPITALS, underlined, and circled.. As I , too found it equally as bothersome as you did that LL referred to Aliayah as "it".. Because how I heard it to be asked by the dispatcher(and again I have only heard it the one time).. But I didnt hear the dispatcher use the word it in referring to LL's missing child.. This is what then made me circle the "it" statement because it was a direct, unprovoked word used by mom.. Meaning she was not just repeating the same verbiage as the dispatcher but rather chose the particular word "it" herself, unprovoked(I will listen again to be certain but this is what I heard in my listening to the call one time)..

But, you by far are not alone in your being bothered by this verbiage used by mom.. IMO what further made it personally offensive to me and IMO was that in the specific area of the convo she is speaking of her precious child being sick.. For me ATLEAST that is a very tender, emotional subject when your 3 year old babe is sick.. They are just so very sweet and helpless still at this age and their little eyes show just how truly bad they feel.. This is very personal to a mommy IMO thus IMO making it that much more significant and/or even offensive that the word "it" is used in describing one's sick toddler.. But that is just me personally and with your having brought it up and apologizing for feeling as tho you may be overly critical about this particular issue.. I felt compelled to throw in my two cents on the issue and to say you're not alone in your opinion about this..

All MOO..

 

[kljohnson0458]

Wow..I'm reminded of all the people in the Celina Cass case that was condemning the mom for being HYSTERICAL when she found out her 11 year old was missing. :lol: now people are arguing that it may be possible for LL to not want to knock on doors or call 911 right away for fear of repercussion when a 3 year old is missing.
I just always try to use the common sense God gave me and The way Celina's mother reacted is the way MOST mothers would react unless they weren't really concerned with the welfare of the child. You'd be hysterical, frantically running to neighbors and asking for every last person to help you find her.
Also, remember she had a 9 year old and 11 year old to run the terrain for her (if her excuse was that she was pregnant)
My son went missing for 5 minutes once when he was 6. knocked on the door of the kids house he was supposed to be at, no answer..looked around the yard where the kids play..nothing. Then it was ON.. Ran to the office and asked the woman if the maintenance guy could make a rounds of the property and when she said "oh, he's on a call" I was going to rip her head off and i cursed her out. Then some ladies (who, mind you, I had never seen nor spoken to before) heard me and started to go towards the next complex to look and I was on the phone with 911 running amok.
I get the willies just reliving that! He was in the house but no one heard me pounding and the bell was broken.
That fiasco took all of 10 minutes.... I would have had to be sedated if it was 2 hours.

I would be the same as you because that's just me.

 

[cachmo]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/0...west-virginia-girl-considered-crime-fbi-says/

Sorry if this has been posted. The thing that stuck out to me was Killeen said she's likely been the victim of a homicide or abduction, and that authorities have identified a few people of interest.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

:floorlaugh: I like you!

Right back at ya.:woohoo: Probably because all the time I have spent in WV and how much I love the place.

 

[Melanie]

Mel, I personally do not believe you are being OVERLY critical.. Tho, IMO in my listening to the 911 calls the ONE time that I have I feel as tho LL seems genuine in most ways throughout the call.. I did have pen and paper ready and waiting as I listened to make detailed notes on what I expected to be many issues I was going to find in the call.. This issue that you have pointed out ^above^ is what I wrote in ALL CAPITALS, underlined, and circled.. As I , too found it equally as bothersome as you did that LL referred to Aliayah as "it".. Because how I heard it to be asked by the dispatcher(and again I have only heard it the one time).. But I didnt hear the dispatcher use the word it in referring to LL's missing child.. This is what then made me circle the "it" statement because it was a direct, unprovoked word used by mom.. Meaning she was not just repeating the same verbiage as the dispatcher but rather chose the particular word "it" herself, unprovoked(I will listen again to be certain but this is what I heard in my listening to the call one time)..

But, you by far are not alone in your being bothered by this verbiage used by mom.. IMO what further made it personally offensive to me and IMO was that in the specific area of the convo she is speaking of her precious child being sick.. For me ATLEAST that is a very tender, emotional subject when your 3 year old babe is sick.. They are just so very sweet and helpless still at this age and their little eyes show just how truly bad they feel.. This is very personal to a mommy IMO thus IMO making it that much more significant and/or even offensive that the word "it" is used in describing one's sick toddler.. But that is just me personally and with your having brought it up and apologizing for feeling as tho you may be overly critical about this particular issue.. I felt compelled to throw in my two cents on the issue and to say you're not alone in your opinion about this..

All MOO..

Thanks, SO. After getting the (are you serious) comments, it's nice to know that I'm not losing my bloody mind. :crazy:

Hugs!

Mel

 

[mamacita]

um, listening to the 911 tape. I have never in my life heard of a situation where a 911 operator told the caller to hang up, call someone else, and then call back????

Surely this is not a standard thing?

She states she drove up and down all these streets lookin for her . . . and yet she never thought to call mom that whole time, so the operator suggests she disconnect the call and do so now??

wouldn't either Lena or the 911 operator be able to call Lena's mom on a 3-way call?

also - i only heard what sounded like a man's voice right when Lena was hanging up from the first call. i too wonder what the time difference between calls was and if there is a record of Lena calling her mother in the time between? i don't see the SD being there at the time of the first call (or even the 2nd one for that matter)... they/Lena would have had to know that police would arrive shortly thereafter.

one more thing - how was it recording Lena's breathing/voice when the phone was still ringing/before the operator picked up? just curious.

oh wait, make that one more thing (lol, sorry)... i did notice that Lena said (in regards to biodad) "he doesn't even know she exists" (not existed). FWIW.

 

[stillwatersc]

LL said she was driving for 1 hour in the 911 call. Did she claim elsewhere it was 2 hours or did a reporter interpret the time as 2 hours? She probably wasn't looking at a clock anyway, just said about an hour as a guess.

 

[redfish]

Mel, I personally do not believe you are being OVERLY critical.. Tho, IMO in my listening to the 911 calls the ONE time that I have I feel as tho LL seems genuine in most ways throughout the call.. I did have pen and paper ready and waiting as I listened to make detailed notes on what I expected to be many issues I was going to find in the call.. This issue that you have pointed out ^above^ is what I wrote in ALL CAPITALS, underlined, and circled.. As I , too found it equally as bothersome as you did that LL referred to Aliayah as "it".. Because how I heard it to be asked by the dispatcher(and again I have only heard it the one time).. But I didnt hear the dispatcher use the word it in referring to LL's missing child.. This is what then made me circle the "it" statement because it was a direct, unprovoked word used by mom.. Meaning she was not just repeating the same verbiage as the dispatcher but rather chose the particular word "it" herself, unprovoked(I will listen again to be certain but this is what I heard in my listening to the call one time)..

But, you by far are not alone in your being bothered by this verbiage used by mom.. IMO what further made it personally offensive to me and IMO was that in the specific area of the convo she is speaking of her precious child being sick.. For me ATLEAST that is a very tender, emotional subject when your 3 year old babe is sick.. They are just so very sweet and helpless still at this age and their little eyes show just how truly bad they feel.. This is very personal to a mommy IMO thus IMO making it that much more significant and/or even offensive that the word "it" is used in describing one's sick toddler.. But that is just me personally and with your having brought it up and apologizing for feeling as tho you may be overly critical about this particular issue.. I felt compelled to throw in my two cents on the issue and to say you're not alone in your opinion about this..

All MOO..

I too was a little surprised at my reaction to the 911 call. I too expected to hear much more suspicious tones in her voice. The above mentioned statement stood out to me as well, but I have since decided that that phrase can be explained by local manner of speach etc. etc.

She did sound upset... not overly so as I might (my ex says I am a drama queen) but yeah a little distaught. I think she thinks pretty good on her feet! As far as drawing the attention away from her significant other, I can see her having a few reasons to do that.... financially and legally.

Without drawing my assesment out anymore, I gotta say I am on the fence regarding the 911 call. But no, it did not completely erase my suspicions. Mom has more knowledge than is being admitted by LE IMO.

 

[ClaireNC]

As far as drawing the attention away from her significant other, I can see her having a few reasons to do that.... financially and legally.

We don't know that "Mom" was actively involved in drawing attention away from her "husband", or if the tapes we are listening to have been edited to omit certain details. I commented on this up^thread. While I have listened to at least 4 different versions of this tape, there are the same blanks or "pauses" where certain pieces of information might have been given on all of the versions (official and non-official recordings of the tape, that is) IMO...The information in those blanks are not part of the public knowledge base.

 

[kljohnson0458]

:fence: I'm up here if anything new happens. Love to Aliayah from West Virginia.

 

[Cortne]

I listened to the 911 call this AM. I found her reaction to an officer arriving or close very odd. TO ME it was almost a ' oh no time to face the music ' sigh. At the very end of the recorded call.
Totally not buying any of this.

 

[secretagent]

Psychiatrists/psychologists also use that tactic in counseling to get people who are upset to pause and get them on the right track again. It's called redirection.

Not sure what you are saying that Lena was trying to steer the conversaiton?

 

[tlcya]

We don't know that "Mom" was actively involved in drawing attention away from her "husband", or if the tapes we are listening to have been edited to omit certain details. I commented on this up^thread. While I have listened to at least 4 different versions of this tape, there are the same blanks or "pauses" where certain pieces of information might have been given on all of the versions (official and non-official recordings of the tape, that is) IMO...The information in those blanks are not part of the public knowledge base.

agreed. I feel it likely that LL mentioned SD during the call at the point that is redacted just after she states she saw little A "really early". I think the rest of that statement was in regards to getting up to see him off. I think that is why when the publicly released portion resumes the operator references 6:30, having determined the time that SD left in that redacted portion of the call.

What is very puzzling to me is all the secrecy in the beginning around SD name (since released in MSM). Why redact that portion of the call? Does it name SD's place of employment? Does it name the individual who came to pick him up for work? What possible reason could they have for redacting that portion and the other portions they did, and yet leave grandma's phone number and bio dad's name there for all the world to hear?

As to LL's demeanor during the call, to me she sounded very panicked. I am certainly no expert and I could fall prey to a good acting job like anyone else, but she sounds genuinely distraught during the call FWIW.

I do not think this child wandered off. I do not think this was a stranger abduction. As to what DID happen to little Aliayah, I just don't know. But I fear it is not good, and I do not expect this case to end with a live child.

It breaks my heart to type that but it is what I think.

 

[lishac23]

ITA
The baby just turned 3 years old... you might run down to the water, look behind the house, look in her secret hiding places, call the grandmother who apparently may come and take the child sometimes but why on EARTH would you get in a car and travel into town??? Sorry, doesn't pass the sniff test.
Common Sense tells you she was wasting time for some reason or perhaps getting her story straight in her head IF she had anything to do with the disappearance. IMOO

I agree...didn't smell right to me either. That sounds typical (and I know not everyone does the same things) of a parent looking for a pre-teen, teen, young adult. Doesn't seem like something you would do for a sick three year old who by grandma's opinion was "a really shy girl that wouldn't go anywhere without her mom".

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Could not find it quickly. It was the Darlie Routier case, so too much to search through. I lived in Plano at that time and followed it closely. I still peek at it every once in awhile.

Anyway, this is another article on it:
http://www2.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/june2008/june2008leb.htm#page22

Look for 911 homicide calls and statement analysis. They can examine the words and tone of voice.

Thanks a bunch for posting this article.

 

[mrsu]

Just wanted to point something out:

Lena:i'm sorry, she's only 3
Operator: when was the last time you saw him?
Lena:it's a girl and this morning real early i went in to check on her cause she's been sick with the flu (whimpers)(either edited or cuts out)
Operator: okay, is it a male or female
Lena:it's a girl
Operator: it's a girl?
Lena:yes

She does start by saying SHE's only 3. The operator then refers to her as a "him". There's def. an edited part out of there and the operator does say "is IT a male or female". And mom answers in the same format, "it's a girl". Operator then clarifies. I am highly suspicious, but this is one thing I can't fault her on, I would have probably responded. MOO

Also...wasn't it reported that the home had a crawl space. She is asked if she's searched the basement. I'm sure she's referring to the crawl space as the basement (no problem IMO), but generally crawlspaces are small and hard to get in to. You can't tell me at 8 months pregnant she was down in that crawl space. No way.

 

[nanak]

Some questions I have been pondering this afternoon..

So we know (do we?) that the SD went to work that morning

And there is a man's voice heard in the 1st version of the 911 call (prior to more editing by.. LE?)

Do we know if the SD clocked out at work/left.. and came home that morning. Does MSM have anything to prove SD was here or there?

 

[tlcya]

Some questions I have been pondering this afternoon..

So we know (do we?) that the SD went to work that morning

And there is a man's voice heard in the 1st version of the 911 call (prior to more editing by.. LE?)

Do we know if the SD clocked out at work/left.. and came home that morning. Does MSM have anything to prove SD was here or there?

BBM I do not think that can be stated as a known yet nana. It was debated earlier on today or last night if I recall, but some heard a man's voice, others could only hear what they described as a child's voice. So I think we can't call it a known just yet.

MSM and LE have been silent on RL's timeline that morning. It has simply been reported, early on (day 1 or 2 I believe) that he was at work that day.

We honestly have no "known"s other than Aliayah is gone. Everything else is up for debate I feel.

 

[housemaid25]

http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=109463

Aliayah Lunsford Still Missing on 12th Day