WV WV - Aliayah Lunsford, 3, Lewis Co., 24 Sep 2011 - # 7

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  • #901
Not just in this state. Part of the welfare program is free phone service. I think you can have a basic landline or a cell phone with a small amount of minutes that is paid for by the state.

I need to go on welfare.. geez.
 
  • #902
We have similiar backgrounds. My husband also became addicted to drugs. I walked to work one day and came home to find my car gone. He traded it for drugs. He went from being a good husband, father & provider to an addict in a very short time. Getting the drug was all that mattered. I was strong enough to take our 5 children & leave when he refused to get help. A lot of women aren't.

To me, LL has more signs of being married to a drug addict than being on it herself. It would explain the arrests for forgery & uttering. An enabler wants to keep the addict happy at all costs.

you raised a valid point. A lot of the finger pointing has been at LL, while RL has pretty much stayed under the radar. No pleas from him. Media hasn't even snapped 1 picture of him anywhere.

Could the LE/FBI pressure be on LL hoping she'll turn on RL and stop protecting him? If LL is the enabler....how will RL feel when the moneytrain of LL's benefits is stopped? If he leaves her will she crack?
 
  • #903
For those who want do to some research into the personalities of LL and RL look at this: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...e-in-the-us-negatively-affected-someone-elses

I lived with a drug addict. He was "sober" when I met him. I thought I was too smart to be such a sucker. I could write a book about the tricks he used to get money for his addictions and it would be impossible to post them here. I studied the articles by Sandra Brown and it helped me figure out a lot of things. The above is just the tip of the iceberg, but I think it explains a lot of things about LL. Our society thinks they are helping the children by providing the things the parents do not, but it just gives them another thing to use for their addiction. Drugs are cheap. You would be amazed at what can be sold or traded to get them. What most of us think is helping, is enabling instead. Food comes from the charity organizations and well-meaning people. Food stamps are sold. Very little actually goes toward food. I could go on and on.



Has it been confirmed LL or RL are using drugs? I thought the drug thing was speculation right now. (not trying to be snarky, just trying to clarify theory/speculation from fact.)
 
  • #904
For those who want do to some research into the personalities of LL and RL look at this: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...e-in-the-us-negatively-affected-someone-elses

I lived with a drug addict. He was "sober" when I met him. I thought I was too smart to be such a sucker. I could write a book about the tricks he used to get money for his addictions and it would be impossible to post them here. I studied the articles by Sandra Brown and it helped me figure out a lot of things. The above is just the tip of the iceberg, but I think it explains a lot of things about LL. Our society thinks they are helping the children by providing the things the parents do not, but it just gives them another thing to use for their addiction. Drugs are cheap. You would be amazed at what can be sold or traded to get them. What most of us think is helping, is enabling instead. Food comes from the charity organizations and well-meaning people. Food stamps are sold. Very little actually goes toward food. I could go on and on.


Kind of OT, but I see this as been spot on for the Aveion Lewis case. I'm going to carry your above post to that thread in the trials area if you don't mind.
 
  • #905
Not just in this state. Part of the welfare program is free phone service. I think you can have a basic landline or a cell phone with a small amount of minutes that is paid for by the state.

What's next? Free basic cable? :rolleyes:
 
  • #906
Has it been confirmed LL or RL are using drugs? I thought the drug thing was speculation right now. (not trying to be snarky, just trying to clarify theory/speculation from fact.)

IMO....all we have with this case is theory/speculation.
 
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I know very little about this case, but that baby's face. I've rarely seen such pain so clearly in someone's face, much less a little child. God bless her.
 
  • #909
We have similiar backgrounds. My husband also became addicted to drugs. I walked to work one day and came home to find my car gone. He traded it for drugs. He went from being a good husband, father & provider to an addict in a very short time. Getting the drug was all that mattered. I was strong enough to take our 5 children & leave when he refused to get help. A lot of women aren't.

To me, LL has more signs of being married to a drug addict than being on it herself. It would explain the arrests for forgery & uttering. An enabler wants to keep the addict happy at all costs.

I disagree, but I have more local information on which to base my opinion and it is just my opinion. Although I do not know LL and RL myself, my ex does. My ex was an addict before I met up with him, he just caught me on a moment of sobriety, plus he is a major con artist. I was inadvertently used as an enabler. Even simply my working and paying the bills enabled him. I found out more of his history as time went on and about relationships he had with other women who did use drugs (I never have), and it was more like they enabled each other and it was joint effort to get what they both needed. The thing I have found out, there are personality disorders that cause the drug use, but there are also personality disorders caused by drug use. It's hard to determine which came first in some people - the old chicken or the egg question. Drug use also has varying degrees, just like alcohol use.
 
  • #910
I just wish we would hear something about little Aliayah. Poor baby girl.
 
  • #911
Good morning, little Aliayah. I was hoping to hear you were found today..... thinking of you and praying for your safety little lady.... your WS family loves you!!

Where are you Aliayah? :(
 
  • #912
interesting that a EH was booked yesterday on a misdemeanor.. just bouncing off the wall here.. but how often are "informants" charges reduced?.. pure speculation here
 
  • #913
interesting that a EH was booked yesterday on a misdemeanor.. just bouncing off the wall here.. but how often are "informants" charges reduced?.. pure speculation here

Who is EH? Are you thinking maybe that was the unnamed informant from LL's arrest?
 
  • #914
interesting that a EH was booked yesterday on a misdemeanor.. just bouncing off the wall here.. but how often are "informants" charges reduced?.. pure speculation here


Good point.... got me thinking, I see LE on this group like flies on doo doo until they get the answers into what happened to this little girl. Spitting on the sidewalk is still illegal, so is jay walking kind of thing. I think we should expect numerous arrests and a possible revolving door of repeat arrests until answers and justice come for little Aliayah.

jmo
 
  • #915
Good point.... got me thinking, I see LE on this group like flies on doo doo until they get the answers into what happened to this little girl. Spitting on the sidewalk is still illegal, so is jay walking kind of thing. I think we should expect to numerous arrests and a possible revolving door of repeat arrests until answers and justice come for little Aliayah.

jmo

I hope you are right, Cubby.... this poor little girl needs to be found...
 
  • #916
I disagree, but I have more local information on which to base my opinion and it is just my opinion. Although I do not know LL and RL myself, my ex does. My ex was an addict before I met up with him, he just caught me on a moment of sobriety, plus he is a major con artist. I was inadvertently used as an enabler. Even simply my working and paying the bills enabled him. I found out more of his history as time went on and about relationships he had with other women who did use drugs (I never have), and it was more like they enabled each other and it was joint effort to get what they both needed. The thing I have found out, there are personality disorders that cause the drug use, but there are also personality disorders caused by drug use. It's hard to determine which came first in some people - the old chicken or the egg question. Drug use also has varying degrees, just like alcohol use.

Thanks for your insight! There are so many rumors flying around it's hard to what is true and what is gossip.
 
  • #917
Who is EH? Are you thinking maybe that was the unnamed informant from LL's arrest?

EH would be Eric Harris, who LL named as Aliayah's father during her call to LE where she finally reported Aliayah as missing.

Please note, there are at least 3 EH's in WV and we don't know which, if any, really are Aliayah's father.

Always possible he's the unnamed informant.. Lots of coincidences!
 
  • #918
EH would be Eric Harris, who LL named as Aliayah's father during her call to LE where she finally reported Aliayah as missing.

Please note, there are at least 3 EH's in WV and we don't know which, if any, really are Aliayah's father.

Always possible he's the unnamed informant.. Lots of coincidences!

Gotcha, thank you!!
 
  • #919
Praying for you baby Aliayah! I hope you are found safe and sound.
 
  • #920
Just thinking out loud here.......in our county (and I'm assuming it is true for the rest of the country) when a person is taken into custody / housed in a jail, the COUNTY becomes the payor for all medical bills incurred while the prisoner is in custody. For example, when I worked in the ER, the police would not arrest someone for DUI - for example - until all the xrays and stitches from the wreck were completed, thus saving the county a couple thousand $$. (The officerrs would stay in the ER while the treatment was being given, and as soon as the offender signed their medical release, the arrest was made)

LLs jurisdiction most likely does NOT want to foot the bill for the birth of twins and this might actually work to their advantage, delaying the inevitable as it were.

Don't get me wrong - I understand that all the bills associated with the birth of these babies are coming out of the taxpayers' pocket - but which actual agency is involved may be a factor in this case.
 
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