WV WV - Aliayah Lunsford, 3, Lewis Co., 24 Sep 2011 - # 9

[No Stone Unturned]

Not exactly. When I was little a dealer came in to our home while we were out and shot our dog in the head and left a note that the "kids are next".

Also, I recently got information that Arlin Henderson (childhood friend and 20 year old missing case) was abducted tortured and killed over drugs.

It happens but they generally dont keep a kid. That want to inflict maximum pain on the debtee.

After reading this, my mind begins to wonder if something like this may have happened. LL may be too afraid to say what she THINKS may have happened out of fear that someone else will taken.

Just a thought.. what if there was a note left that said something like, "Tell anyone and I will do it do another child." At least this theory gives some credence to her not speaking out on AL's behalf and lying to family by saying there was a gag order.

 

[lynnb]

After reading this, my mind begins to wonder if something like this may have happened. LL may be too afraid to say what she THINKS may have happened out of fear that someone else will taken.

Just a thought.. what if there was a note left that said something like, "Tell anyone and I will do it do another child." At least this theory gives some credence to her not speaking out on AL's behalf and lying to family by saying there was a gag order.

but the other children are no longer under Lena's care.....so how would the bad guy even know where to find the other children?

 

[TheDuchess]

I know if babies are born to an addict, they will be born addicted and go thru withdrawal after birth. It would be obvious to the nurses. For occasional use, I don't know??

Healthy is a relative term. I am happy to hear that they are fairly large for twins and are overall healthy. That doesn't mean they won't have any issues when they get older.

And I know a lot of druggies who have had healthy babies.

 

[JeannieC]

Wow, I mean WOW!!!!!! Why would someone do that? Why would a mom do that? You hear about this kind of stuff all the time but it is still always shocking. To be honest I hope I never stop being shocked. If I stop being shocked then this will start to be the normal in my life and I don't ever want that kind of thing to be a part of normal in my life. These poor kids.... :shakehead::banghead:

The Shaniya Davis case is on WS. Read it if you can. It is horrible!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105754&highlight=Shaniya+Davis'

 

[JeannieC]

Would this be a REAL gag order?
Or the imaginary kind which allows one to avoid talking about things one doesn't want to talk about? :waitasec:

Gag order

A gag order (also known as a gagging order or suppression order) is an order, sometimes a legal order by a court or government, other times a private order by an employer or other institution, restricting information or comment from being made public.

Gag orders are often used against participants involved in a lawsuit or criminal trial. They are also a tool to prevent media from publishing unwanted information on a particular topic. A Criminal Court, for instance, will issue a gag order on the media if the judge believes that potential jurors in a future trial will be influenced by the media reporting or speculation on the early stages of a case. Another example might be to ensure police are not impeded in their investigations by media publicity about a case.

In a similar manner, a 'gag law' is intended to limit freedom of the press, by instituting censorship or restricting access to information.

This gag order appears to be against the media, attorneys, and LE. Preventing them from discussing the other children. moo

 

[lynnb]

Missing in America: Sky Metalwala, Baby Lisa Among Thousands
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jahessye-s...issing-america/story?id=14674582#.Tr2Y5FaOdwg

FYI...Aliayah is listed as number 8 on a list of 14

 

[stillwatersc]

Healthy is a relative term. I am happy to hear that they are fairly large for twins and are overall healthy. That doesn't mean they won't have any issues when they get older.

And I know a lot of druggies who have had healthy babies.

How do we know LL is a "druggie"? I don't know any "druggies" (that I'm aware of) but my cousin adopted a druggie baby, so I know a little about that side of it. I just want documentation that she is. Otherwise much of the discussion about drugs is a violation of TOS.

 

[JeannieC]

IMO...healthy children are born to drug addicts all the time. It is not until the babies get older that signs of the mothers' past drug use shows up. Not only with medical conditions , but also learning disabilities and behavioral problems.
I also am hoping that these babies were not exposed to anything since the time they were conceived. But in all honesty, Lena is the only one that can answer that question, so I'm sure we'll never know.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned alcohol during pregnancy. RL is an alcoholic and I imagine LL drinks with him. That is my opionion. No media articles to back it up. I could be wrong.

Don't ban me please...........she did party the night before Aliayah was reported missing............

 

[JeannieC]

but the other children are no longer under Lena's care.....so how would the bad guy even know where to find the other children?

A good reason for the gag order...........

 

[JeannieC]

How do we know LL is a "druggie"? I don't know any "druggies" (that I'm aware of) but my cousin adopted a druggie baby, so I know a little about that side of it. I just want documentation that she is. Otherwise much of the discussion about drugs is a violation of TOS.

IF someone knew who Aliayah's father was and IF he owed money to a drug dealer, it is plausible that someone would come after Aliayah for his debt. I'm not accusing anyone. Just a thought. Him saying he didn't know about her doesn't mean he didn't. Why would we believe him over LL? We don't know him either.

Maybe drugs aren't a part of it either. Could be gambling or just money owed to the wrong person. I don't have a clue but her being taken to pay a debt is a real possibility. imo

 

[Cubby]

How long does a hospital keep a woman after a C-section? Lena should be out by Monday right?

When I had my son (02) it was up to 5 days. I opted to leave on the 4th day because I was getting ansy to get home. I think it used to be 3 but because of so many medical problems with women leaving too soon, the insurance laws were changed to cover up to 5 days.

 

[wenc]

I know if babies are born to an addict, they will be born addicted and go thru withdrawal after birth. It would be obvious to the nurses. For occasional use, I don't know??

Depends on the drug and how much, how long she was using. Symptoms can begin within 1 - 3 days after birth or may take 5 -10 days to appear.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/007313.htm

As for the gag order, like someone said, juveniles are basically off limits anyway. I think it's just another ploy by the lawyer to get the extended family to stop talking. It worked before, so why not try it again. The main thing with the newborns, aside from everyone being concerned about their well being, is the fact that now that she's had them, the pregnancy can longer be used as an excuse for anything.

 

[Cubby]

I'm still following loosely so forgive me if this has been discussed. I don't believe LL would have 'sold' Aliayah for a drug debt owed. I do believe she would sell her for money like she did her SNAP benefits. One because she is not her husbands child, and two because Aliayah's bio father did not seek to enforce his rights as a father.... (I don't think I can comment on the rest of what I was thinking due to TOS, but I hope my point was clear.)

jmo

 

[lynnb]

I'm still following loosely so forgive me if this has been discussed. I don't believe LL would have 'sold' Aliayah for a drug debt owed. I do believe she would sell her for money like she did her SNAP benefits. One because she is not her husbands child, and two because Aliayah's bio father did not seek to enforce his rights as a father.... (I don't think I can comment on the rest of what I was thinking due to TOS, but I hope my point was clear.)

jmo

http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/111103_7256.shtml
Reported: Nov. 3, 2011 10:18 PM EDT
Updated: Nov. 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
The FBI says they've ruled out the possibility and rumor circulating around Lewis County that Aliayah was sold.

Not sure how you'd rule that out...:waitasec:

 

[Vickie Bowen]

It is my understanding that we are not allowed to discuss Lena's OTHER children . My brothers and I to the best of my knowledge HAVE NEVER discussed them as in their names or where they are. I respect the fact that they are in PROTECTIVE CUSTODY and would NEVER do that. I believe we could still mention them in Prayer , I intend to as I always do , as Aliayah's brothers and sisters. I do believe we should NEVER discuss them on a public forum because they are the inocent victims here. However I ask that you continue to pray for them as well as Aliayah and my family. We don't need any other information about them to pray for them. I do believe since we have NEVER mentioned them by name anyway, that this is a BULLYING stunt aimed at the extended family in hopes to shut us up about Aliayah. My brothers and I will continue to speak out for Aliayah and search for her as well as the truth.And we will do so until she is returned home.

 

[stillwatersc]

When I had my son (02) it was up to 5 days. I opted to leave on the 4th day because I was getting ansy to get home. I think it used to be 3 but because of so many medical problems with women leaving too soon, the insurance laws were changed to cover up to 5 days.

My niece had her baby by C-section on a Thur (7:30 PM) and she left the hospital Sunday afternoon. This was very recent. But she was anxious to leave. I imagine the doctors would let a patient stay at least a day longer if the patient was having a difficult recovery. LL had both a natural delivery and a c-section the same day.

 

[seabilly]

From all the stuff I have seen on the web, on the fb pages, on here, in the news, on tv, etc. People will do anything. Druggies will take children to hurt the parents, sickos will steal or buy a child for sexal play. Priest has sexal abused children. You name it it has happen. I once hear a story about a father that got mad at his 2 year old for going to the bathroom in his pants. The child was being potty train and didn't make it to the potty. The fathers way of punishing this child was to pick the little boy up by his feet and slam the childs head into the potty till the child passed out. Of course this poor little boy didn't live. He never got potty trained. He got beat to death instead. I hate that those kind of people are in our world. I hate that I have to tell my son to not stop and help someone on the side of the road..Why can't he? Helping people makes you a good person, he would help make him a good man. But I don't want him to because that person on the side of the road may want to hurt my son. My son has a loving, caring, and giving heart. But to ensure my son is safe I have to tell him to be aware of everybody. I have to tell him not to trust everybody. My sweet son has to see all this maddness in the world. I think it is so gross for a family member or friend can hurt these little ones...I think it is gross that they would drink and do drugs around their kids. I think it is gross that they allow bad people around their children. We are these childrens love, protection, and safe place. I think America needs to clean this country's trash up. We need to get rid, lock up, put to death, or shipped to iceland all these worthless people. JMO

 

[Cubby]

http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/111103_7256.shtml
Reported: Nov. 3, 2011 10:18 PM EDT
Updated: Nov. 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
The FBI says they've ruled out the possibility and rumor circulating around Lewis County that Aliayah was sold.

Not sure how you'd rule that out...:waitasec:

Thank you for posting this. I was unaware it was ruled out. If it is ruled out, it is ruled out. I'm sure LE has their reasons which they can't disclose without jeaprodizing the investigation. Glad to know that possibility is off the table so to speak.

 

[seabilly]

It is my understanding that we are not allowed to discuss Lena's OTHER children . My brothers and I to the best of my knowledge HAVE NEVER discussed them as in their names or where they are. I respect the fact that they are in PROTECTIVE CUSTODY and would NEVER do that. I believe we could still mention them in Prayer , I intend to as I always do , as Aliayah's brothers and sisters. I do believe we should NEVER discuss them on a public forum because they are the inocent victims here. However I ask that you continue to pray for them as well as Aliayah and my family. We don't need any other information about them to pray for them. I do believe since we have NEVER mentioned them by name anyway, that this is a BULLYING stunt aimed at the extended family in hopes to shut us up about Aliayah. My brothers and I will continue to speak out for Aliayah and search for her as well as the truth.And we will do so until she is returned home.

Vickie you may have answered this and I have just missed it. If so I'm sorry. I would like to ask if you or your bothers have been given a court order for this gag order. I know you don't use the kids names online. You shouldn't their names aren't needed. Plus they don't need anything else to deal with. LL may have been lacking in her parent skills but she was still their moma and being taking away from her can't be easy for them. Also they know Aliayah is missing. I'm sure this is laying heavy on the older children. They are old enough to know somewhat what is going on. I'm sure they are scaried out of their minds. The last thing they need is for someone to put their names all over the internet. One last thing. If they can't show you or your bothers a court order for that gag order then it can't apply to you. You have to be given a order for that to be true. Now like I said I know you don't use their names anyway, but you may be able to turn that claim of having a gag order to the LE. I'm sure there has to be some kind of law that says they can't do that (I have researched it but maybe worth doing so). This may would help stop any futher crap they might try to pull. Just a thought. A clear message needs to be sent that these kind of things isn't going to stop yall from speaking for Aliayah....Good luck:crazy:

 

[JeannieC]

Originally Posted by lynnb
http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewi...103_7256.shtml
Reported: Nov. 3, 2011 10:18 PM EDT
Updated: Nov. 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
The FBI says they've ruled out the possibility and rumor circulating around Lewis County that Aliayah was sold.

Not sure how you'd rule that out...

The FBI says they've ruled out the possibility and rumor circulating around Lewis County that Aliayah was sold.

"The chance of abduction, for someone coming in that does not know this community to take this child has been virtually ruled out," said Killeen.

They have ruled out Aliayah being sold. That doesn't mean they have ruled out her being turned over to pay a debt.

They didn't rule out an abduction but are saying if there was one it was a local.

moo