Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #88

[Sillybilly]

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Just reasonable discussion please .. no need for trashing.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

While I may not totally agree with or like what the Laundries did in their interactions with LE I do understand why they acted in that manner.

Their actions do not make me hate them or wish them any harm. I'm not sure what they did or didn't know about Gabby's whereabouts or condition. Maybe they took their lawyers advice about talking to LE and that's why they stayed silent. JMO.

 

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[Ghostwheel]

I found the Netflix documentary pretty factual, with the exception of the heartfelt discussions interspersed. Those are all just anyone's opinions which are fine, but not factual. I was surprised to see the letter written by Brian's mother because I hadn't seen it before. It actually made me think that his parents DIDN'T know exactly what had happened. I am 100% sure they suspected something horrible had happened, but may not have actually known. I could see Brian telling them he was coming home and that Gabby wasn't coming with him and not telling them why. I mean, he even lied to himself in that final "confession" he wrote. I'm still on the fence on whether they truly knew or not, or at what point they might have found out.

Sadly, many of the LE involved came off looking like they were not too intelligent, but that was kind of deserved.

I also understand why LE in Moab did what they did. She said she was the aggressor. Sending her to a motel with battered women may not have been as safe as her being in her own vehicle, and it was her vehicle. Had they not given her possession of it, she might have gotten even more upset and then Brian could be charge with theft, since it was only in her name. If she had been smart, she'd have left him to find his own way home, but people try to do the right thing, which isn't always the smart thing.

As these kinds of things go, the documentary was a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10 for me and that was even knowing all that I already knew about the case.

 

[Trooper]

One of the reasons why I am so sure that the Laundries knew exactly , and quickly, what had occurred to Gabby and who did it was they lawyered up very early with, and what a lucky guess, ey? Out of 3144 counties in the USA and then refining their crystal ball capacity, they managed to narrow it down to the one county out of 23 in Wyoming where the murder took place, and where Gabby's body was discarded. and hired a lawyer from Laramie...!!!! That very county!!.. amazing stuff..

.. maybe, they were just those kind of folks who have all the luck in the world, or they stuck a pin while blindfolded in a map and voila!!.. just like the luck they had when they, Mrs and Mr Laundrie found the body of their own son, just down the road, actually... while police, rescue, were searchng madly thru Florida, some wrestling sort of bloke, called Big Dog, or Big Hippo or something was deep in the Appalachians, showing off his tracking skills, all looking for Brian...

and they are the ones who find him....

 

[fsngruv]

One of the reasons why I am so sure that the Laundries knew exactly , and quickly, what had occurred to Gabby and who did it was they lawyered up very early with, and what a lucky guess, ey? Out of 3144 counties in the USA and then refining their crystal ball capacity, they managed to narrow it down to the one county out of 23 in Wyoming where the murder took place, and where Gabby's body was discarded. and hired a lawyer from Laramie...!!!! That very county!!.. amazing stuff..

.. maybe, they were just those kind of folks who have all the luck in the world, or they stuck a pin while blindfolded in a map and voila!!.. just like the luck they had when they, Mrs and Mr Laundrie found the body of their own son, just down the road, actually... while police, rescue, were searchng madly thru Florida, some wrestling sort of bloke, called Big Dog, or Big Hippo or something was deep in the Appalachians, showing off his tracking skills, all looking for Brian...

and they are the ones who find him....

Just splitting hairs, but that bounty hunter hails from Denver. Different mountains. I'm just saying, Appalachia ain't claiming him! Lol. I enjoy your posts, btw.

 

[Skigirl]

One of the reasons why I am so sure that the Laundries knew exactly , and quickly, what had occurred to Gabby and who did it was they lawyered up very early with, and what a lucky guess, ey? Out of 3144 counties in the USA and then refining their crystal ball capacity, they managed to narrow it down to the one county out of 23 in Wyoming where the murder took place, and where Gabby's body was discarded. and hired a lawyer from Laramie...!!!! That very county!!.. amazing stuff..

.. maybe, they were just those kind of folks who have all the luck in the world, or they stuck a pin while blindfolded in a map and voila!!.. just like the luck they had when they, Mrs and Mr Laundrie found the body of their own son, just down the road, actually... while police, rescue, were searchng madly thru Florida, some wrestling sort of bloke, called Big Dog, or Big Hippo or something was deep in the Appalachians, showing off his tracking skills, all looking for Brian...

and they are the ones who find him....

This is such a great point. They supposedly didn't know where she was -- not even what region of the country -- but they hired defense attorneys in exactly the place where she was located. Uncanny coincidence.

 

[Sarahlou]

One of the reasons why I am so sure that the Laundries knew exactly , and quickly, what had occurred to Gabby and who did it was they lawyered up very early with, and what a lucky guess, ey? Out of 3144 counties in the USA and then refining their crystal ball capacity, they managed to narrow it down to the one county out of 23 in Wyoming where the murder took place, and where Gabby's body was discarded. and hired a lawyer from Laramie...!!!! That very county!!.. amazing stuff..

.. maybe, they were just those kind of folks who have all the luck in the world, or they stuck a pin while blindfolded in a map and voila!!.. just like the luck they had when they, Mrs and Mr Laundrie found the body of their own son, just down the road, actually... while police, rescue, were searchng madly thru Florida, some wrestling sort of bloke, called Big Dog, or Big Hippo or something was deep in the Appalachians, showing off his tracking skills, all looking for Brian...

and they are the ones who find him....

Exactly.
(I did laugh at your Big Dog, Big Hippo line )

I think the Laundries knew everything from that first phone call. I doubt Brian even gave them that BS reason for killing her as he knew they'd stick by him no matter what. JMO.

 

[NoeticSoul]

....The Laundries' attorney, Steven Bertolino, said the documentary was what the family were expecting but alleged it has 'many inaccuracies'.

Brian Laundrie's family lawyer slams 'inaccurate' new Gabby Petito documentary

BRIAN Laundrie’s family lawyer has hit out at the new Gabby Petito docuseries, The U.S. Sun can exclusively reveal. The Netflix documentary American Murder: Gabby Petito was released this wee…

www.the-sun.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"We crushed the van," Joe Petito said. "We didn't want the van to be out there and someone owning it and then saying, 'Here's the van that Gabby was...' So, we had it crushed."

Gabby Petito’s Parents Reveal They Destroyed Van to Prevent It From Becoming a ‘Sick Memento’

Gabby Petito's parents destroyed the camper van she and Brian Laundrie traveled in before her murder, saying they feared it could become a grim collector's item. Joe Petito, her father, confirmed the decision in an interview with NewsNation, explaining the family did not want the vehicle to be...

www.btimesonline.com

 

[Forest_Wood]

The documentary illustrated how manipulative and conniving BL was. I don't think it was ever concluded exactly when Gabby died, but it seemed to me that she was killed by him before he went on his long hike. He was plotting and planning his motive, even when he was hitchhiking, to give himself an alibi that he was not at the campsite when she died.
Sending those texts to her, knowing she was dead. And then replying to himself with Gabby's phone, pretending he was her. On his drive home, BL sent himself an e-transfer from Gabby's account for $700 IIRC. In the notes, he wrote something like, "I'll never bother you again." Paraphrasing.
Trying to make it seem that Gabby left him. Psychopathic!
Was it ever determined how he got away from the house in the convertible without anyone seeing him? I have the sense that his parents hid him or disguised him somehow to get him into the vehicle and driving him away. It's insanity all around in that household.
MOO.

 

[NCWatcher]

The documentary illustrated how manipulative and conniving BL was. I don't think it was ever concluded exactly when Gabby died, but it seemed to me that she was killed by him before he went on his long hike. He was plotting and planning his motive, even when he was hitchhiking, to give himself an alibi that he was not at the campsite when she died.
Sending those texts to her, knowing she was dead. And then replying to himself with Gabby's phone, pretending he was her. On his drive home, BL sent himself an e-transfer from Gabby's account for $700 IIRC. In the notes, he wrote something like, "I'll never bother you again." Paraphrasing.
Trying to make it seem that Gabby left him. Psychopathic!
Was it ever determined how he got away from the house in the convertible without anyone seeing him? I have the sense that his parents hid him or disguised him somehow to get him into the vehicle and driving him away. It's insanity all around in that household.
MOO.

I don't think there is evidence suggesting they "disguised" BL nor do I think they would have needed to. I'm pretty sure the local police admitted they watched him leave the house that last time in the Mustang. He wasn't subject to arrest when he left (the arrest warrant happened later) so they couldn't have stopped him. (They could have followed him but didn't.) Plus, a few days later when the parents returned from retrieving the Mustang from the parking lot in the preserve, the North Port Police admitted they mistook his mother, a somewhat stocky shorter woman in her 50's for BL, a fairly slim taller young bearded man in his 20's. I think the NPPD said it was because RL wore a hat that they got confused. I think that says more about the PD than the Laundries.
MOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

The documentary illustrated how manipulative and conniving BL was. I don't think it was ever concluded exactly when Gabby died, but it seemed to me that she was killed by him before he went on his long hike. He was plotting and planning his motive, even when he was hitchhiking, to give himself an alibi that he was not at the campsite when she died.
Sending those texts to her, knowing she was dead. And then replying to himself with Gabby's phone, pretending he was her. On his drive home, BL sent himself an e-transfer from Gabby's account for $700 IIRC. In the notes, he wrote something like, "I'll never bother you again." Paraphrasing.
Trying to make it seem that Gabby left him. Psychopathic!
Was it ever determined how he got away from the house in the convertible without anyone seeing him? I have the sense that his parents hid him or disguised him somehow to get him into the vehicle and driving him away. It's insanity all around in that household.
MOO.

Great analysis @Forest_Wood . I wonder if perhaps one or both parents might have gone with BL when he went to the preserve? Maybe two cars? Was someone hidden in the car or trunk?

IIRC there was some confusion as to who had left the house and whether or not it was the mother or someone or BL? And even the mother and sister were IIRC joking then, I believe in texts as to how could anyone confuse them for BL? And sadly IIRC by that time, GP was already known likely deceased or ‘gone’. SMH. And then there was a suggestion that no one knew where BL was? And all of a sudden as others have said within an hour of going to that preserve the parents find him in what is it a 40,000 acre swamp? While authorities and others have been looking for him for days?

The two additional things I would have liked more clarity on were the gun and the silver Mustang. There was a gun shown early when they were both riding in the car and GP was shooting it out the window while she wore earplugs. And then the gun he later used on himself right? I wonder where that come from and who owned it?

And the silver Mustang, was that BL or his parent’s car or his mother’s car? Some of the early video when GP was skateboarding on that closed street, if I remember correctly, BL was filming all of that riding in that silver Mustang.

The last thing was a little point about who owned the van? It seemed IMO that BL parents were trying to confuse police as to who owned it whether it was jointly with BL and GP? But fortunately, by that point Florida detectives were already clear on it, and they impounded the Ford Transit van immediately.

One thing apparent - it’s a good thing that IIRC the Long Island, NY police pressed hard on authorities down in FL early on in the investigation. And it’s unfortunate that that one Moab police investigators initial thoughts on a domestic violence incident in the van wasn’t better followed? IIRC he seemed to feel that GP was perhaps the victim. MOO

 

[Vaderman]

For those who watched the documentary, what did you think of the use of A.I. to have Gabby's handwritten notes read aloud in "her" voice?

 

[Sarahlou]

For those who watched the documentary, what did you think of the use of A.I. to have Gabby's handwritten notes read aloud in "her" voice?

I'm not a fan of them doing that. I've seen a similar thing done in another documentary and it didn't seem right to me.
They could have got a voice actor who sounded similar.

But if they got permission from her parents to do it then fair enough.

 

[Vaderman]

I'm not a fan of them doing that. I've seen a similar thing done in another documentary and it didn't seem right to me.
They could have got a voice actor who sounded similar.

But if they got permission from her parents to do it then fair enough.

It was a little jarring for me. At first I'd wondered where they had found recordings of her voice and why she would have recorded herself reading her handwritten notes. Then I briefly did think they just managed to find a voice actress who was spot on but I kept thinking, "wow, that sounds SO much like her".

 

[Forest_Wood]

I don't think there is evidence suggesting they "disguised" BL nor do I think they would have needed to. I'm pretty sure the local police admitted they watched him leave the house that last time in the Mustang. He wasn't subject to arrest when he left (the arrest warrant happened later) so they couldn't have stopped him. (They could have followed him but didn't.) Plus, a few days later when the parents returned from retrieving the Mustang from the parking lot in the preserve, the North Port Police admitted they mistook his mother, a somewhat stocky shorter woman in her 50's for BL, a fairly slim taller young bearded man in his 20's. I think the NPPD said it was because RL wore a hat that they got confused. I think that says more about the PD than the Laundries.
MOO

I didn’t realize LE watched him leave. I recall them mistaking his mother for him returning the vehicle after getting ticketed.

 

[girlhasnoname]

For those who watched the documentary, what did you think of the use of A.I. to have Gabby's handwritten notes read aloud in "her" voice?

Eerily haunting, but it was her story and her life that was ended. I think they purposely did that to drive that point home.

I have no doubt BL was a gaslighter and DV abuser to Gabby for a long time, it didn't just start on their Vancation.

BL was a master manipulator even to the very end when he said in his note that Gabby begged him to put her out of her misery. He was one sick dude, doesn't bother me that he took the cowards way out. Not trying to be nonchalant or unkind, just being honest.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I'm not a fan of them doing that. I've seen a similar thing done in another documentary and it didn't seem right to me.
They could have got a voice actor who sounded similar.

But if they got permission from her parents to do it then fair enough.

I was surprised they didn’t use more entries from her journal. I would have thought she had so much more to say there. I didn’t see a problem with them using AI for her voice. MOO

 

[PrairieWind]

One of the reasons why I am so sure that the Laundries knew exactly , and quickly, what had occurred to Gabby and who did it was they lawyered up very early with, and what a lucky guess, ey? Out of 3144 counties in the USA and then refining their crystal ball capacity, they managed to narrow it down to the one county out of 23 in Wyoming where the murder took place, and where Gabby's body was discarded. and hired a lawyer from Laramie...!!!! That very county!!.. amazing stuff..

.. maybe, they were just those kind of folks who have all the luck in the world, or they stuck a pin while blindfolded in a map and voila!!.. just like the luck they had when they, Mrs and Mr Laundrie found the body of their own son, just down the road, actually... while police, rescue, were searchng madly thru Florida, some wrestling sort of bloke, called Big Dog, or Big Hippo or something was deep in the Appalachians, showing off his tracking skills, all looking for Brian...

and they are the ones who find him....

Laramie is clear across the State from Teton County where Gabby was killed and found.