CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[thor124]

Thanks for posting that. It sounds like the investigation is leading somewhere, imo. He said so many are concerned for the missing children because it’s ‘ a very fundamental wrong’, and I think that’s such an apt description.

He said they’re making headway with what they’re finding out in the investigation. That makes it sound more complicated than two children wandering off, imo. Unless more experts have weighed in on the complex terrain and how the children could have disappeared despite the intensive search. (For example, the currents and wave action in a body of water within the search area.)

A few here pointed out that it doesn’t make sense for Lilly to have been out playing in the backyard with her backpack, which seems like it was meant for school. (But we don’t know.)

The backyard and driveway was muddy dirt, so I wouldn’t think they’d be allowed to play with ‘good’ items there, imo. Especially with no washing machine at home. So why did she take it? (And possibly her old blanket?)

I’ve also wondered if DM’s other children helped to fill in some of the blanks.

Also, I’m curious if the police tracked down the children with the same boots as Lilly’s to rule out if they made the prints on the pipeline trail. (Although I don’t think we know for 100% that it was made by her boots.)

Re: The Backpack and little kids.

Watch an episode of Dora the Explorer. "Backpack! Backpack!"

My kids are older, but all three (now 18, 14, 10) went through a period of time that they had a backpack nearby, with their favorite plushies/action figures, that went everywhere with them. Often a light blanket or a snack could be found within as well.

 

[su5ie]

Re: The Backpack and little kids.

Watch an episode of Dora the Explorer. "Backpack! Backpack!"

My kids are older, but all three (now 18, 14, 10) went through a period of time that they had a backpack nearby, with their favorite plushies/action figures, that went everywhere with them. Often a light blanket or a snack could be found within as well.

Often a child with autism which I know the kids were only suspected of having carry a backpack or bag with 'safe" items

 

[Serononin]

Often a child with autism which I know the kids were only suspected of having carry a backpack or bag with 'safe" items

I was one of those kids, my backpack was pink like Lilly's I still have the selection of little stuffed animals I used to take on 'outings', and my bright pink gameboy!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

"It’s been eight months since Lilly and Jack Sullivan disappeared, and a Nova Scotia RCMP criminal operations officer says in his 33 years of policing, he’s never seen a case like it.

“It’s extremely rare. I’ve never seen it across my career. But while it’s rare, what’s the part that isn’t rare is the complexity of the case, like why it’s taking so long, because these investigations have to be done in a methodical approach,” Dan Morrow said in a year-end interview with Global News. “It started to generate a lot of national media attention and even international.” "

Nova Scotia missing kids case ‘extremely rare’: RCMP officer | Globalnews.ca

Nova Scotia RCMP criminal operations officer Dan Morrow said in an interview with Global News that he hasn't seen a case quite like this in his 33 years of policing.

globalnews.ca

 

[abanddb123]

Is he talking about 2 missing syblings being rare? I wish he could allaberate. Anyway, found it interesting the article says cadaver dogs did not find any bodies but it doesn't say if they picked up scent of any decomposition. Moo

 

[BCSleuth]

Is he talking about 2 missing syblings being rare? I wish he could allaberate. Anyway, found it interesting the article says cadaver dogs did not find any bodies but it doesn't say if they picked up scent of any decomposition. Moo

He is likely talking about the fact that they have disappeared without a trace. That's rare. And as far as we are concerned no suspect, either. They keep claiming they are making progress but I highly doubt it. Unless the bodies are somehow found this case is going nowhere.

 

[su5ie]

"It’s been eight months since Lilly and Jack Sullivan disappeared, and a Nova Scotia RCMP criminal operations officer says in his 33 years of policing, he’s never seen a case like it.

“It’s extremely rare. I’ve never seen it across my career. But while it’s rare, what’s the part that isn’t rare is the complexity of the case, like why it’s taking so long, because these investigations have to be done in a methodical approach,” Dan Morrow said in a year-end interview with Global News. “It started to generate a lot of national media attention and even international.” "

Nova Scotia missing kids case ‘extremely rare’: RCMP officer | Globalnews.ca

Nova Scotia RCMP criminal operations officer Dan Morrow said in an interview with Global News that he hasn't seen a case quite like this in his 33 years of policing.

globalnews.ca

He is likely talking about the fact that they have disappeared without a trace. That's rare. And as far as we are concerned no suspect, either. They keep claiming they are making progress but I highly doubt it. Unless the bodies are somehow found this case is going nowhere.

The language used by both this criminal investigation officer Dan morrow and the previous sergeant McCamon seems to insinuate a criminal investigation is underway ??

Maybe I'm reading between the lines to much

 

[Orbweaver]

The language used by both this criminal investigation officer Dan morrow and the previous sergeant McCamon seems to insinuate a criminal investigation is underway ??

Maybe I'm reading between the lines to much

Could you elaborate on what they’ve said to sound like this might be a criminal investigation? I’ve been binge reading so much on here (I’m new ) that details keep falling through the cracks of my memory.

 

[su5ie]

Could you elaborate on what they’ve said to sound like this might be a criminal investigation? I’ve been binge reading so much on here (I’m new ) that details keep falling through the cracks of my memory.

I was just giving an opinion on the way both articles are worded . And I did say I prehaps was reading too much between the lines

I'm linking both articles to see what you think yourself, not being rude it's just what "see' and what you and others " see" might be different and because my opinion is that there may be more to this case than a wandering, I'm probably biased and see what hear what I want to hear I'm interested in your take as prehaps having fresh eyes might inject some new conversations into a somewhat stagnant thread

Nova Scotia missing kids case ‘extremely rare’: RCMP officer | Globalnews.ca

Nova Scotia RCMP criminal operations officer Dan Morrow said in an interview with Global News that he hasn't seen a case quite like this in his 33 years of policing.

globalnews.ca

Nova Scotia RCMP major crimes head says he’s confident case of missing children will be resolved

Staff Sergeant Rob McCamon says police are making progress in the case of Jack and Lilly Sullivan

web.archive.org

 

[Orbweaver]

I was just giving an opinion on the way both articles are worded . And I did say I prehaps was reading too much between the lines

I'm linking both articles to see what you think yourself, not being rude it's just what "see' and what you and others " see" might be different and because my opinion is that there may be more to this case than a wandering, I'm probably biased and see what hear what I want to hear I'm interested in your take as prehaps having fresh eyes might inject some new conversations into a somewhat stagnant thread

Nova Scotia missing kids case ‘extremely rare’: RCMP officer | Globalnews.ca

Nova Scotia RCMP criminal operations officer Dan Morrow said in an interview with Global News that he hasn't seen a case quite like this in his 33 years of policing.

globalnews.ca

Nova Scotia RCMP major crimes head says he’s confident case of missing children will be resolved

Staff Sergeant Rob McCamon says police are making progress in the case of Jack and Lilly Sullivan

web.archive.org

Thank you! I’m half awake right now and I wish I could give a more thoughtful response but if I don’t do it now - I’ll forget.

The language definitely seems to have shifted to implying foul play. The investigator mentions, “long term justice” and “We have to consider whether charges will be laid eventually. So we have to maintain the rule of law and follow the rules that are there. It does take time and it is going to take some more time.” It’s interesting that the topic of criminal activity is being brought up so… Tangibly? As if that’s the expectation/they know this will happen but can’t say outright?

I’m a doomer. I tend to hope for the best but expect the worst outcome. When this story first broke, my first reaction was that this children didn’t wander off. That’s still my feeling. But it’s so complex - no scent for the dogs to follow yet everyone passed their polygraph tests and there were no sounds of approaching vehicles on the property reported, a parent leaving town… My baby isn’t even crawling yet but I can’t imagine an agony worse than not being able to run through the forest with a chainsaw to find her. I’m sure there is no greater hell in the human experience than feeling that level of helplessness. Ugh. I’ve lost my train of thought so I’ll stop rambling now. Thank you again for sharing (or re-sharing) the articles!

 

[PromotedPawn]

He is likely talking about the fact that they have disappeared without a trace. That's rare. And as far as we are concerned no suspect, either. They keep claiming they are making progress but I highly doubt it. Unless the bodies are somehow found this case is going nowhere.

I believe them when they say they are making progress. Investigative work can take time and getting it right is important. I trust that the RCMP are doing what they need to do to bring closure to this case.

I still feel that someone very close to them harmed them in some way but I hope I'm wrong.

It is heartbreaking that we don't have any answers on what happened to these littles. I refuse to give up hope.

MOO

 

[su5ie]

I believe them when they say they are making progress. Investigative work can take time and getting it right is important. I trust that the RCMP are doing what they need to do to bring closure to this case.

I still feel that someone very close to them harmed them in some way but I hope I'm wrong.

It is heartbreaking that we don't have any answers on what happened to these littles. I refuse to give up hope.

MOO

I'm on the same page but I also know the officers are at pains to say all 7 people that took the polygraph are being truthful but I don't rule out someone being able to lie under pressure if it's natural to them or that someone came across the children on their pathway in the forest and a crime happening from that interjection

I've rewatched a lot of interviews with DM and MBMs initial interview on the day they went missing and it is enlightening to go back and examine them through a lens of behavioural and abstract prospective and without the emotion that was there for me when I watched them at the time when negative emotions ran high

I personally don't think mbm has any involvement.

 

[Marzipan]

I'm on the same page but I also know the officers are at pains to say all 7 people that took the polygraph are being truthful but I don't rule out someone being able to lie under pressure if it's natural to them or that someone came across the children on their pathway in the forest and a crime happening from that interjection

I've rewatched a lot of interviews with DM and MBMs initial interview on the day they went missing and it is enlightening to go back and examine them through a lens of behavioural and abstract prospective and without the emotion that was there for me when I watched them at the time when negative emotions ran high

I personally don't think mbm has any involvement.

Good idea about rewatching interviews with a different reception frequency level. Which 7 took polygraphs? We know DM’s mom did not (declined or LE decision?) due to her anxiety I believe. So - DM, MBM, bio father…who are the other four? Thank you!

 

[su5ie]

Good idea about rewatching interviews with a different reception frequency level. Which 7 took polygraphs? We know DM’s mom did not (declined or LE decision?) due to her anxiety I believe. So - DM, MBM, bio father…who are the other four? Thank you!

The co worker of DM , cyndy ,wade Paris <<CM boyfriend (I think ) DM ,MBM , CG , 7th maybe bus driver or JM

All polygraph test subjects are listed in documents

 

[Bigditch]

Yup, the wording is intriguing for sure. I still wonder about the pink blanket, the DNA results.

So, the 4 most important polygraph Q's could be,
1. Did you hurt lilly and jack?
2. Do you have any knowledge of who might have hurt lilly and jack?
3. Did you kill lilly and jack?
4. Do you know who killed lilly and jack?

The first two imply implicit knowledge of a potential crime. The last two indicate involvement, or awareness after the fact.

Other Q's could be, Do you know where Lilly and Jack are?

Was there an accident? Etc
Jmo

 

[OneLove]

This is as good an opportunity as any to revisit the use of polygraphs in investigations. Any statement made to the general public as to the "results" of a polygraph may or may not be truthful, by very specific intent.

Quite often, good investigations take considerable time while leads are researched, surveillance is conducted, and sometimes undercovers are developed. It frequently is required for a whole set of "potentials" to feel safe from suspicion.

I long ago quit putting any stock whatsoever in statements made about polygraph results, for reason. It definitely has saved me from wandering off course on many cases.

 

[MistyWaters]

This is as good an opportunity as any to revisit the use of polygraphs in investigations. Any statement made to the general public as to the "results" of a polygraph may or may not be truthful, by very specific intent.

Quite often, good investigations take considerable time while leads are researched, surveillance is conducted, and sometimes undercovers are developed. It frequently is required for a whole set of "potentials" to feel safe from suspicion.

I long ago quit putting any stock whatsoever in statements made about polygraph results, for reason. It definitely has saved me from wandering off course on many cases.

I put a lot more faith in RCMP polygraph results than when a defense lawyer hires a polygrapher off the street in an attempt to convince the public his or her client is innocent.
JMO

 

[OneLove]

I put a lot more faith in RCMP polygraph results than when a defense lawyer hires a polygrapher off the street in an attempt to convince the public his or her client is innocent.
JMO

I have absolute fath in the RCMP's polygraph *results*. Any *statements* made to the general public as to those results may or may not be part of the investigative strategy.

The results can be VERY useful for pointing to where more.. uhm... research... is needed to be done, and done without blowing their cover. That would be very very counterproductive.

 

[MistyWaters]

I have absolute fath in the RCMP's polygraph *results*. Any *statements* made to the general public as to those results may or may not be part of the investigative strategy.

The results can be VERY useful for pointing to where more.. uhm... research... is needed to be done, and done without blowing their cover. That would be very very counterproductive.

The information reported in the ITO’s by the RCMP that were revealed by the press must be truthful. The results of the polygraphs was contained in the documents submitted to the Court, it did not originate from direct statements made to the general public.

Whatever the RCMP is investigating, they’re not giving us any clues nor would they want to. If we could guess it, so could a potential suspect. That’s not how they operate.

I think both DM and MBM are innocent of any knowledge of the whereabouts of the children. DM has been questioned up down and sideways and his devices analyzed. IMO if he was guilty the RCMP would’ve been strongly suggesting belief of his involvement, which they’ve never done. The guilty party could be someone quite close to the family, but we know very little about anyone other than immediate family..
JMO

 

[OneLove]

Law enforcement in both the US and in Canada very rarely if ever strongly express they "believe" someone is guilty of a crime or involved in that crime before they've collected enough evidence to both arrest *AND* achieve a conviction for said crime. That runs counter to good investigation.

This is why they are very very guarded about what they release as statements during the investigation. The statements are strategic in the investigation as well as attempts to calm the anxious public. They are very well trained in exactly how to say something and say it without saying something else. Its often in the interests of the investigation to keep the general public "off their tail" so to speak.

Judges issuing warrants also know how to "read" these statements when issuing warrants. There are ways of saying things without directly saying them. Judges also know FULL WELL the value and weight polygraphs carry, which is next to none. They are chiefly investigative tools meant to guide the investigation. You don't often see them used at trial for reason. Too many sociopaths "pass" them easily, though there really IS no actual pass or fail. Those words are for the uninitiated or those not trained in how polygraphs are utilized in investigations.

What you will not hear is "We believe the parent/step parent of the missing child is guilty of his disappearance" or "we believe Monique Tepe's ex-husband is involved in her murder" before they have gathered the evidence and effected an arrest. Except for the very rare occasion when its used *strategically* for the investigation (NOT for the curiosity of the general public) in order to flush out evidence like a suspected murderer being surveilled moving a body or murder weapon, it just isnt done. Defense lawyers know how to use the "locked in and didnt adequately investigate other suspects" to their advantage and some criminals have been acquited on that basis. Investigators and about all law enforcement officers are trained in this.

Just something to consider for those who want to keep the options open and not close any doors based on statements about polygraph tests.

It is what it is. Wishing it weren't so doesnt change that. Everything still comes back to "might, might not".