Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #88

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

I don't have Netflix so I haven't watched the documentary.

I was wondering if they portrayed the police and the Laundries as being responsible for Gabby's death.

I wouldn't say that they portrayed police or the Laundries as responsible; IMO that would mean implying that they're all guilty of murder (there's no such thing as collective guilt). That designation was clearly reserved for BL. LE came off as incredibly ineffective and stupid, although one of them seemed to think that the situation was more suspicious than if you took GP and BL's words at face value (I could be misremembering). It wasn't treated as a given that if BL had been arrested that day, GP would still be alive; they probably only had enough on him for a misdemeanor conviction, and even though she was telling people at the time that she wanted to break up, there's no way of knowing how long that would've taken, if BL would've manipulated her into talking him back, or if he would've had a rage incident after they'd broken up. It seemed to be implied that if they'd have done their jobs, there's a decent chance that the one incident could've been avoided, and GL's family and friends would've been made aware of what some had already suspected, if not to the extent that it actually was.

The actions of BL's parents - while absolutely cold and evil - were all after-the-fact. Complicit, yes, responsible, no. The whole family seemed psychotic (except for BL's brother-in-law, who kind of had a "WTF did I marry into" look). I wasn't following every detail of the case at the time, so I didn't know that the parents hired a lawyer before it was even known that she was missing. And who jokes about their missing son/brother being mistaken for his mother because she's fat?

(Side note, I don't doubt the intentions of the "11 questions" law that was passed, but I'm skeptical of how effective it would be. If a competent cop had responded to the scene, BL would've been arrested regardless of whether they asked the 11 questions; an incompetent one might have passed on arresting hin anyway, even if he remembered to ask the 11 questions. This just seems to just re-state what their job required of them in the first place.)

 

[Megnut]

“The fact that we were able to have access to the family was super important,” Gasparro told The Post.

“We were filming the Murdaugh documentary at the time,” he said, when they were told: “The Petito family wants to tell Gabby’s story. There’s been a lot of stuff that’s done. They haven’t really participated in anything….And, that’s something Julia and I have been doing for a while.”

Exclusive | Gabby Petito doc filmmakers on unsettling murder — and her ‘cry for help’

“The family wanted to do it, it was important to shine a light on what Gabby went through” filmmaker Julia Willoughby Nason said about the documentary “American Murder: Gabby Peti…

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Poor Gabby, trying so hard to please and not upset Brian, she had no idea that that was an unwinnable role. She would never be able to regulate his unregulated emotions. She was a chokehold away from death the minute she met him.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he killed her in the van or just outside it, if she tried to get away. He may have seen her text history, she may have told him she wanted to continue on her own, The Most Dangerous Time in a volatile relationships. And he didn't want to hear it. So he "calmed her down" cutting off her vocal cords and her oxygen and then her life.

And had his parents turned him over to LE or tipped him in themselves, he'd likely still be alive, facing charges or by now convicted, but alive.

I can (marginally) respect parents who stand by their adult children through trials; I can't respect one's who shield their adult children from the consequences of their actions.

And Gabby had such solid male role models who loved her, even an ex boyfriend who would have done anything to protect her, if only she wasn't hundreds of miles away from safety when Brian took advantage of isolation and stole Gabby's opportunity to break free of him, with his bare hands.

That Moab stop is so painful to watch, Gabby was terrified (maybe for a mess of reasons) about what would happen if Brian was arrested, which IMO is why she minimized his actions and overestimated hers. Brian's demeanor, chilling to me. Acting like he was trying to deescalate the tension when he was the instigator and aggressor. Taking her keys, her phone, her van. Abject abuse, and a master manipulator to get Gabby to feel responsible for it. Not respecting any of her boundaries, playing on her fears, belittling her dreams.

Saddens me, angers me that the last thing she saw before the light went out of her eyes was the real Brian. Dangerous coward.

Killed her so she couldn't leave him.

And that story is as old as dirt.

JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Rushing back to our car, trying to cross the streams,” he wrote, according to the doc. “I hear a splash and a scream. I can barely see.”

Laundrie, 23, went on to allege the van life influencer was “gasping” and “freezing cold” when he found her.

“When I pulled Gabby out of the water, she couldn’t tell me what hurt,” he continued. “While carrying her, she continually made sounds of pain.”

What Brian Laundrie said happened to Gabby Petito when she died

In Netflix’s “American Murder: Gabby Petito,” Brian Laundrie’s written account of what he claimed were his fiancée’s final moments was revealed.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

 

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*The 22-year-old YouTuber was killed by her fiancé during a cross-country road trip in summer 2021. Her family shared never-before-seen texts they found after her death.

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[Vaderman]

eta ~The documentary says that even after they were separated by the police and told to stay that way for the night, separated, they did not and met up later that night :/

It was especially infuriating to watch the bodycam footage of the officers discussing what to do with them. They were almost laughing at the thought of Gabby, identified as the aggressor in this instance, would be able to cause significant harm to Brian.

That thinking shouldn't have even entered into their decision.

Gabby was failed so many times along the way.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I wouldn't say that they portrayed police or the Laundries as responsible; IMO that would mean implying that they're all guilty of murder (there's no such thing as collective guilt). That designation was clearly reserved for BL. LE came off as incredibly ineffective and stupid, although one of them seemed to think that the situation was more suspicious than if you took GP and BL's words at face value (I could be misremembering). It wasn't treated as a given that if BL had been arrested that day, GP would still be alive; they probably only had enough on him for a misdemeanor conviction, and even though she was telling people at the time that she wanted to break up, there's no way of knowing how long that would've taken, if BL would've manipulated her into talking him back, or if he would've had a rage incident after they'd broken up. It seemed to be implied that if they'd have done their jobs, there's a decent chance that the one incident could've been avoided, and GL's family and friends would've been made aware of what some had already suspected, if not to the extent that it actually was.

The actions of BL's parents - while absolutely cold and evil - were all after-the-fact. Complicit, yes, responsible, no. The whole family seemed psychotic (except for BL's brother-in-law, who kind of had a "WTF did I marry into" look). I wasn't following every detail of the case at the time, so I didn't know that the parents hired a lawyer before it was even known that she was missing. And who jokes about their missing son/brother being mistaken for his mother because she's fat?

(Side note, I don't doubt the intentions of the "11 questions" law that was passed, but I'm skeptical of how effective it would be. If a competent cop had responded to the scene, BL would've been arrested regardless of whether they asked the 11 questions; an incompetent one might have passed on arresting hin anyway, even if he remembered to ask the 11 questions. This just seems to just re-state what their job required of them in the first place.)

Seconding that assessment @Aegon_the_Conqueror …. and I also noticed that one of the Moab officers seemed to have started the investigation into the 911 call reporting a male slapping a female correctly…… as in GP might not have been the aggressor and was likely the victim. But sadly seems he was outnumbered or overruled in his suggestion.

I won’t add any more here. Give others a time to watch it. I was initially very hesitant to watch, after having seen this unfold in the media. Fortunately someone here suggested it and boy were they right. Three episodes and IMO very well done. And really helps with the timeline. A sad tale. MOO

 

[Megnut]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed> I concede easily that Brian was on a suicide mission but not straightaway. He was never IMO going to live without Gabby. And he was never going to let Gabby live without him.

Gabby reaching out to a trusted ex-boyfriend tells me she was trying to extricate herself from Brian, from the relationship. He probably made it very clear to her that he "loved her so much" he'd die without her. Emotional abuse. She made the mistake so many girls and women make, thinking they can leave an abusive relationship in a reasonable way, which isn't possible with an abusive, unreasonable partner.

Tension was escalating. What's the statistic -- something like 7 attempts to leave before it sticks, if it doesn't end in murder first.

Gabby decidedly didn't have a death wish. She had a life wish. She had dreams, she wanted to be carefree, but she got paired with a manchild who was sucking the life out of her bit by bit, with just enough passion and promises to make her believe it could be possible with him if she could just learn his not to upset him. So backwards. And she deserved to live a long life, certainly long enough to be able to leave Brian and his toxic immaturity in the dust, regain her own footing, and recognizing him for what he was, take her life in new directions.

Watching the docuseries was like watching a horror film, where you're begging the main character to get out of the house, we see the danger behind her.

We need more education, more apps for how to exit abusive relationships on the back end, how better to recognize and avoid them on the front end.

JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Brian was holding both phones and talking directly to himself. It was an apparent that he was trying to create an alibi."

Following the discovery of Brian's body, however, FBI Denver Division later stated: "The investigation did not identify any other individuals other than Brian Laundrie directly involved in the tragic death of Gabby Petito

Eerie message Brian Laundrie allegedly texted himself after killing Gabby Petito

Brian Laundrie murdered his 22-year-old fiancée Gabby Petito in 2021 before himself disappearing

www.tyla.com

 

[Skigirl]

AFAIK, food poisoning doesn't work that fast. Sounds like an excuse to get out of paying.

I think it's fair to say that she didn't have a reason to lie to Brian. She may not have had food poisoning, but it seems that she thought that the food made her sick.

 

[fsngruv]

There's a point in the documentary, where they are showing footage of the family at the beach with Gabby, after Gabby buries BL in the sand, RL bends down and wipes sand out of BL's face with the skirt of her bathing suit. *Shudder*

Another moment that sticks out, BL calls his parents right after the time line of the murder, they have a series of calls and the Laundries then call an attorney. Clearly they knew a crime was committed then. After BL returns with the van, an officer doing a welfare check on Gabby pleads with the laundries to talk to him or call Gabby's parents and they tell the officer to call the lawyer even though it's 10pm. They're in protection mode, and I think it's fair to say their priorities were there and not about doing the right thing, or helping Gabby's parents. They just ignored them. At the very least they are heartless, imo.

 

[Sundog]

I hope that, ultimately, both sets of parents are able to move forward with their lives in ways that are meaningful to them. I wish them only peace and healing in ways that bring them comfort.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Local resident Miriam Woodby, who resides close to the Laundrie household in North Port, shared her growing anger with the series: "The more I watched, the more pissed I got," she confessed. "When I pass their house, I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I hate them, and I've never even met them. I wish they'd just leave."

Another neighbor, whose home borders the Laundrie property, echoed the sentiment, branding them "Just horrible people, in my belief," and adding, "It's unanimous. No one wants anything to do with them."

"I wish them nothing but the worst," and adding, "Seriously. I hope they know how much we all hate them here. I hope they know they don't have any friends."

"That's what you get. That's what you get when you prolong the pain of innocent people to protect someone you know is guilty. You reap what you sow."

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/brian-laundries-parents-shunned-florida-984726..

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I hope that all of the people that are full of hate after watching this series don't attack and harm the Laundries. JMO.

 

[NCWatcher]

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I hope that all of the people that are full of hate after watching this series don't attack and harm the Laundries. JMO.

Me too. It is pretty weird to hear from neighbors of the Laundries who have never met them but are apparently full of self-righteous hate anyway. Have people always felt so strongly (positively OR negatively) about people they haven't met or is that a fairly recent societal characteristic?
MOO

 

[Cloudydiamond]

I don't recall hearing about her ex bf prior to this. Could have missed it. However, I would bet anything that BL caught wind of her texting him. There's no way he didn't go through her phone or have other means on spying on who she's in contact with. To me, this was it. He new she would be leaving. Couldn't have it. Also, they really do know how crappy they treat you. Was only a matter of time.

 

[Sundog]

I hope that all of the people that are full of hate after watching this series don't attack and harm the Laundries. JMO.

Me, too.

 

[Vaderman]

I hope that all of the people that are full of hate after watching this series don't attack and harm the Laundries. JMO.

This was another one of those cases that gave me pause about following true crime and being a part of the community. It baffled me that strangers would take the time to show up at the parents' house to protest for days/weeks. Harassing the parents didn't seem like a very conducive outlet for justice.

 

[Jade]

I hope that all of the people that are full of hate after watching this series don't attack and harm the Laundries. JMO.

Me, too.

See documentary linked.

L’s know how to take care of themselves, imo.

No worries there, imo

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed> One thing apparent in the video IMO at Whole Foods store when they arrived in the parking lot….. when BL got out of the driver’s side, he slammed the door rather hard it seemed. And then GP followed him into the store. Horrid to watch that. As things IMO had obviously escalated it seemed. MOO