Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #88

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  • #961
Great analysis @Forest_Wood . I wonder if perhaps one or both parents might have gone with BL when he went to the preserve? Maybe two cars? Was someone hidden in the car or trunk?

IIRC there was some confusion as to who had left the house and whether or not it was the mother or someone or BL? And even the mother and sister were IIRC joking then, I believe in texts as to how could anyone confuse them for BL? And sadly IIRC by that time, GP was already known likely deceased or ‘gone’. SMH. And then there was a suggestion that no one knew where BL was? And all of a sudden as others have said within an hour of going to that preserve the parents find him in what is it a 40,000 acre swamp? While authorities and others have been looking for him for days?

The two additional things I would have liked more clarity on were the gun and the silver Mustang. There was a gun shown early when they were both riding in the car and GP was shooting it out the window while she wore earplugs. And then the gun he later used on himself right? I wonder where that come from and who owned it?

And the silver Mustang, was that BL or his parent’s car or his mother’s car? Some of the early video when GP was skateboarding on that closed street, if I remember correctly, BL was filming all of that riding in that silver Mustang.

The last thing was a little point about who owned the van? It seemed IMO that BL parents were trying to confuse police as to who owned it whether it was jointly with BL and GP? But fortunately, by that point Florida detectives were already clear on it, and they impounded the Ford Transit van immediately.

One thing apparent - it’s a good thing that IIRC the Long Island, NY police pressed hard on authorities down in FL early on in the investigation. And it’s unfortunate that that one Moab police investigators initial thoughts on a domestic violence incident in the van wasn’t better followed? IIRC he seemed to feel that GP was perhaps the victim. :( MOO
The thing is that she had marks on her face and arm, as well as an eye witness, that indicated she was a victim. And yet, they still treated her as the aggressor. They messed up. Although I don’t think the outcome would have been different in the end unfortunately. MOO
 
  • #962
I didn’t realize LE watched him leave. I recall them mistaking his mother for him returning the vehicle after getting ticketed.
I'm pretty sure they admitted that after the fact. As I said, they couldn't have stopped him since there was no warrant for his arrest until days later when one was issued for the unauthorized bank access.) People are free to move about, after all. But since LE was watching the house, I found it odd he wasn't followed when he left. LE had followed BL when he left the house with RL earlier to buy a phone & had followed CL and RL at least once. Regardless, the NPPD had to admit mistaking RL for BL because they kept claiming they knew exactly where BL was after his parents said he was missing. But making the mistake because RL wore a hat or rather saying that's why they made a mistake (as if sun hats are rare in Florida) seemed quite weird to me. And to me, that doesn't suggest the L's were masters of disguise. A hat?
MOO
 
  • #963
I thought this was a fascinating read. Its a victims' loved ones personal choice. moo


Text messages and journal entries penned by Gabby Petito have been brought to life with the help of AI in a new Netflix docuseries nearly four years after the vlogger was killed by her fiancé while they were road tripping across the country.

And although her grieving parents gave permission for the use of AI to recreate her voice, her mother and stepfather told The Independent they are struggling after hearing a fake mechanical version of their daughter read out her words. AI, of course, can not bring someone back to life.


2/20/2025
 
  • #964
I thought the documentary was very well done, although incredibly sad. The Moab cops were awful. Gabby clearly had marks on her face and arm, and they didn't follow up on asking how she got them. They jumped on scratches that Brian had, though. Gabby was so clearly distraught and Brian was nonchalant and calm, yet it didn't set off any alarms for the cops. The one cop was so misogynistic and patronizing, oh when my wife gets anxious, I tell her to go take a long shower, blah blah. Did he skip DV training?

It's shocking watching Brian's parents talking to LE, and their utter apathy.

I would recommend watching the doc. I'm always iffy on watching documentaries if I've followed a case closely here on WS, because it really annoys me when they get stuff wrong. This one didn't.

MOO
 
  • #965
While in possession of Gabby’s cell phone, Brian allegedly staged a text message conversation between himself and Gabby, sending texts from his phone and answering them from hers—after he had already killed her.
This shows us that BL took steps to create a false alibi. It makes me wonder what kind of lies he may have told his parents. JMO.

 
  • #966
Linked is Brian Laundries’ laughable 8 page manifesto from the notebook showing his momentous manipulative ways.

The actual lying about his murdering Gabby is too heartless and too ridiculous to even give any attention here.

Such an unlikely story no one would believe it except for his mommy. The whole document is in the link.

Excerpts

I wanted to drive north and let James or T.J. kill me but I wouldn’t want them to spend time in jail over my mistake, even though I’m sure they would have liked to.

Always thinking of others; he knows best

I have killed myself by this creek in the hopes than animals may tear me apart. That it may make some of her family happy.

Just throw yourself to the alligators first

Please pick up all of my things. Gabby hated people who litter.

So thoughtful to worry about litter on GP's behalf when you yourself killed the smaller weaker GP cold heartily and threw her dead body down as trash and left it for others to find and pick up.

Laundrie’s notebook reveals rambling apologies, regrets


All imo
 
  • #967
Laramie is clear across the State from Teton County where Gabby was killed and found.

Wyoming only has 23 counties and a sparse population.

Across the state in Wyoming is dissimilar than obtaining from across the state for representation in other more populous states.

I would assume that the largest population center would contain more attorneys suitable in price and scope for hire in better numbers than Teton County.

I think that it is that it’s Wyoming where there’s the needed representation that’s interesting the logistic of such notwithstanding.

Wyoming’s 10 largest cities (2019) are:

  1. Cheyenne (65,864) is in Laramie County
  2. Casper (59,171) is in Natrona County
  3. Gillette (31,783) is in Campbell County
  4. Laramie (32,715) is in Albany County
  5. Rock Springs (23,014) is in Sweetwater County
  6. Sheridan (18,071) is in Sheridan County
  7. Green River (11,777) is in Sweetwater County
  8. Evanston (11,967) is in Uinta County
  9. Riverton (11,003) is in Fremont County
  10. Jackson (10,413) is in Teton County
History and Facts of Wyoming Counties - My Counties

all imo
 
  • #968
Such an unlikely story no one would believe it except for his mommy. The whole document is in the link.
I haven't seen any evidence that Mrs. Laundrie, BL's mother, believed these writings. I assume this is just your opinion.
 
  • #969
I hope that all of the people that are full of hate after watching this series don't attack and harm the Laundries. JMO.

I hope nobody harms anybody in an illegal way, but there is no reason to fear this.

I have not heard of any reports of harm to the Laundries, and they are not the victims.

There is no reason to think that anyone is doing them harm except through the civil court system-legal harm where they were indeed found liable for a wrongful death and emotional cruelty.

Neighbors having strong feelings and voicing them or carrying signs is not harm. Even feeling hate by one person is not causing harm to another. It's free speech.

This is still a democracy, and free speech is still a constitutional right of the neighbors.

MOO
 
  • #970
Wyoming only has 23 counties and a sparse population.

Across the state in Wyoming is dissimilar than obtaining from across the state for representation in other more populous states.

I would assume that the largest population center would contain more attorneys suitable in price and scope for hire in better numbers than Teton County.

I think that it is that it’s Wyoming where there’s the needed representation that’s interesting the logistic of such notwithstanding.

Wyoming’s 10 largest cities (2019) are:

  1. Cheyenne (65,864) is in Laramie County
  2. Casper (59,171) is in Natrona County
  3. Gillette (31,783) is in Campbell County
  4. Laramie (32,715) is in Albany County
  5. Rock Springs (23,014) is in Sweetwater County
  6. Sheridan (18,071) is in Sheridan County
  7. Green River (11,777) is in Sweetwater County
  8. Evanston (11,967) is in Uinta County
  9. Riverton (11,003) is in Fremont County
  10. Jackson (10,413) is in Teton County
History and Facts of Wyoming Counties - My Counties

all imo
I'm not sure what you are trying to state here. The post I responded to insinuated that the Laundries hired an attorney where the crime was committed and thus must have known what had happened. And I pointed out that was not correct. There are first rate nationally known defense attorneys in the Jackson area. I'm not defending the Laundrie's. I just want to state that them hiring an attorney should in no way be used to imply they knew what had happened. Plus, the insinuation is based upon an incorrect statement of facts anyway.
 
  • #971
Open question if of any interest and anyone here might know….. Do we know exactly when the RL written ‘burn after reading’ letter to BL was written? And has that letter to BL been published in its entirety?

This would be nice to understand in the context of the timeline.

Would also be nice to know the exact timing of telephone calls back and forth between BL and his parents in FL and the call to the attorney to secure counsel (criminal defense perhaps?) for BL. One of those calls to FL was ~55 minutes IIRC. Have to believe quite a bit could have been shared in that call. MOO
 
  • #972
I hope nobody harms anybody in an illegal way, but there is no reason to fear this.

I have not heard of any reports of harm to the Laundries, and they are not the victims.

There is no reason to think that anyone is doing them harm except through the civil court system-legal harm where they were indeed found liable for a wrongful death and emotional cruelty.

Neighbors having strong feelings and voicing them or carrying signs is not harm. Even feeling hate by one person is not causing harm to another. It's free speech.

This is still a democracy, and free speech is still a constitutional right of the neighbors.

MOO
I'm pretty sure if my home was surrounded by crowds of people carrying signs and screaming every day into the night, my property (my lot) was periodically entered by these people for weeks on end, and some of these people periodically banged on my front door, I'd not conclude those action weren't really harmful but were merely "free speech" that deserves celebration. As an individual, I don't have to allow free or any speech on my private property-- the Constitutional amendment applies to government actions not to those of private individuals or companies. And clearly there are government limits on speech anyway (screaming fire in crowded theater, issuing threats, legally-defined "hate speech," etc)

I can imagine some unhinged person going farther than the crowds did in terms of harm to the L's- it's not as though there is a shortage of unstable people out there. I hope it doesn't happen but unfortunately it's not unimaginable.
MOO
 
  • #973
I thought the documentary was very well done, although incredibly sad. The Moab cops were awful. Gabby clearly had marks on her face and arm, and they didn't follow up on asking how she got them. They jumped on scratches that Brian had, though. Gabby was so clearly distraught and Brian was nonchalant and calm, yet it didn't set off any alarms for the cops. The one cop was so misogynistic and patronizing, oh when my wife gets anxious, I tell her to go take a long shower, blah blah. Did he skip DV training?

It's shocking watching Brian's parents talking to LE, and their utter apathy.

I would recommend watching the doc. I'm always iffy on watching documentaries if I've followed a case closely here on WS, because it really annoys me when they get stuff wrong. This one didn't.

MOO
I'm just failing to see how the Moab officers were "awful." What did they see that should have led them to do something different?
 
  • #974
Yes, and the Landries were theoretically free to love their son. But they were definitely not free to do that, were not left alone to freely do that.

JMO
Nah. They are free to love and mourn their son.

If I were Brian's mother, I, too, would have never stopped loving him, and would have hired him a lawyer and advocated for the best possible legal outcome on his behalf.

What I would not have done is any covering up or delaying of the discovery of her body. It seems probable that the Laundries's knew Gabby was hurt or dead before he headed home! I would have had him speak to a lawyer and have the lawyer advise him on how to help LE with as little statement as possible. If they did not know Gabby was dead until Gabby's family contacted them (I have not seen the documentary, so I do not know if this possibility has been ruled out now-when I was actively following the case it was possible Brain told his family Gabby went home or to Washington State or something. But they would know it was a lie when contacted.) If the Laundries helped with the investigation while being careful to prevent Brian's incriminating himself with intent statements, he would be jailed, safe, and alive to feel his mother's love.

He could have been free again in his late 30's or 40's. He hadn't any criminal history, and his helping locate her would be treated as a mitigation to his crime. His life was made much worse when he ended Gabby's life, which is only fair. But his life could arguably be said to have been ended by the horrific quality of "support" he got from his own family.

The Laundries did not criminally kill Gabby. But they were found civilly liable. And I think there is even an argument that they are civilly liable for Brian's endangerment and death.

So yeah. I don't dig them. And I am free to say so, even without knowing them.

MOO
 
  • #975
I'm just failing to see how the Moab officers were "awful." What did they see that should have led them to do something different?
They never followed up after Gabby didn't answer when they asked about the marks she had on her face and arm. One cop was very flippant, saying his wife got anxiety and he'd send her to take showers. They suggested Gabby use a $4 shower. How is that helpful? She had marks, didn't give a clear answer about how they got there and because Gabby wasn't going to admit her abuser abused her, just let it go.

That's MOO, though, as I stated.
 
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  • #976
Open question if of any interest and anyone here might know….. Do we know exactly when the RL written ‘burn after reading’ letter to BL was written? And has that letter to BL been published in its entirety?

This would be nice to understand in the context of the timeline.

Would also be nice to know the exact timing of telephone calls back and forth between BL and his parents in FL and the call to the attorney to secure counsel (criminal defense perhaps?) for BL. One of those calls to FL was ~55 minutes IIRC. Have to believe quite a bit could have been shared in that call. MOO
AFAIK, from recent press reports and my memory from when I followed this case closely, no.

It seems hard to believe that this note was written before knowing a murder was committed, otherwise, it would be silly to write, "burn after reading."

But RL claimed through her attorney that the language was part of a long-standing game between them, and that she wrote the letter before she knew Gabby was missing.

I'm inclined to doubt that, but I don't know and I doubt LE or journalists know enough to prove she is not being truthful, if indeed they share my skepticism.

MOO
 
  • #977
I hope nobody harms anybody in an illegal way, but there is no reason to fear this.

I have not heard of any reports of harm to the Laundries, and they are not the victims.

There is no reason to think that anyone is doing them harm except through the civil court system-legal harm where they were indeed found liable for a wrongful death and emotional cruelty.

Neighbors having strong feelings and voicing them or carrying signs is not harm. Even feeling hate by one person is not causing harm to another. It's free speech.

This is still a democracy, and free speech is still a constitutional right of the neighbors.

MOO
All I'm saying is there's a possibility that some unhinged person who views the Netflix series may get angry enough to attack and harm the Laundries.

I never said that it has happened yet, but I do feel that it could happen. I also never said that people shouldn't be allowed to voice their hatred for them publicly so I'm not sure why you're informing me about their freedom of speech. JMO.
 
  • #978
They never followed up after Gabby didn't answer when they asked about the marks she had on her face and arm. One cop was very flippant, saying his wife got anxiety and he'd send her take showers. They suggested Gabby use a $4 shower. How is that helpful? She had marks, didn't give a clear answer about how they got there and because Gabby wasn't going to admit her abuser abused her, just let it go.

That's MOO, though, as I stated.
In agreement with you @MrsWatson on these points. That was hard to watch as the en-masse police discussion began and then continued. It is hard not to conclude now that there were IMO too many officers involved in the conversations with BL and GP.

The other sad and unfortunate aspect of that stop and questioning of both GP and BL….. IMO it seemed that one of the Moab officers started the investigation into the 911 call reporting a male slapping a female correctly…… as in GP might not have been the aggressor and was likely the victim. But sadly it seems that he was outnumbered or overruled in his suggestion. IIRC GP had a blackened or bruised left eye; swollen and / or bruised upper left forehead; and a swollen and / or bruised left arm. And GP was not IMO cheerful or laughing in any of her answers; that is in distinct contrast with the behavior and conduct or attitude of BL during his questioning. He joked about his apparent superficial wounds IIRC.

Sadly even further is that nothing now changes the cruel aftermath. And IMO the less than forthright conduct of BL parents i) after the call(s) from their son BL who was then in WY; ii) upon his return to FL with GP van and without her; and iii) during those first two visits from FL police investigators attempting to learn more about GP whereabouts. IIRC they also were non responsive to earlier questions from GP parents as to any information on her whereabouts. SMH. MOO
 
  • #979
I'm not sure what you are trying to state here. The post I responded to insinuated that the Laundries hired an attorney where the crime was committed and thus must have known what had happened. And I pointed out that was not correct. There are first rate nationally known defense attorneys in the Jackson area. I'm not defending the Laundrie's. I just want to state that them hiring an attorney should in no way be used to imply they knew what had happened. Plus, the insinuation is based upon an incorrect statement of facts anyway.


I'm stating it makes no difference because it was that the representation was needed in Wyoming and the ramifications thereof.

First rate nationally known defense attorneys probably weren't affordable hence across state.

The Laundrie parents knew they needed to secure representation in Wyoming that had to be based on something, right?

We can only look at the guilty actions that had to have had an origin of stimuli for that location.

all imo
 
  • #980
"I am losing my parents and my brother and my children's aunt and future sister-in-law on top of this," she explained in the docuseries released Feb. 17. "We have literally been finding everything out with the news like everybody else
 
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