Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #89

  • #61
I think that's the alibi that Brian was trying to create.
Yes, it could have been. He tried to make it seem that way with the money transfer because there's evidence of that in his message. I suppose he could have forged her signature on the van ownership to sign it over to himself if he had thought about it during all of his other brilliant planning. But because there is no evidence to go on, we have only speculation and opinions.
MOO.
 
  • #62
Yes, but I think he thought he could pull it off until they discovered her body. It was lucky that the couple in Wyoming filmed the location of the van on the side of the road. I think at that point he'd killed her and taken off for a couple of days without the van, then came back for it.
I think he was just buying time and knew that in the long run he was screwed. JMO.
 
  • #63
"Don't try to control me because it only makes me mad," Gabby wrote in the text to Laundrie. "I love you so much but it's the way you speak to me that hurts me the most."

These two sentences are incredibly rough. Brian had a severe problem with possessiveness, control and anger.

The Netflix episodes left me numb....
Gabby could have done so much better than Brian. He was a complete non entity, barely managing to be civil, useless, lacking in common hygiene skills, no prospects, no career, no profession or trade, ugly inside and out, no way of ever breaking free of Mama, not ever, that would have been Gabby's life forever, Roberta in a snit about something, a pie, a look, a concept, Mama Laundrie directing Brian from behind the arras, always with an opinion, an edict. Eventually, hopefully, she would have opened the door and ran for the hills, but he got her first, he knew she was contemplating doing a runner.

So he murdered her, out there in the wild, leaving her body for the buzzards, an ugly ugly creature , our Brian. But he hadn't finished yet, no, he had to make the Petito's and the Schmidts suffer and suffer, and now that Cassie has been estranged from her parents , along with her kids, you could say Brian achieved a high score , as psychopaths often do, they tend to destroy their families, and the families they come in contact with, and it has to be admitted, Brian made a clean sweep of it.
 
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  • #64
Yes, but I think he thought he could pull it off until they discovered her body. It was lucky that the couple in Wyoming filmed the location of the van on the side of the road. I think at that point he'd killed her and taken off for a couple of days without the van, then came back for it.
I genuinely think he believed he could put one over any copper, about anything, he had good reason to believe that he possessed the gift of the gab, and could somehow , like always, like he could with Mama, like he could with Dad, like he tried it on with Gabby, he could explain stuff away, and lo!! it would just evaporate, and everyone would be saying, ah, that Bri, what a guy, what a prince.

In my imagination , I see him practising in the van on his drive home just what angle he would take, holding it up to the light, turning it this way and that.. 'will I say this?? or .. what about saying that??? '..... he would rehearse it.... he had nothing better to do !!
 
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  • #65
Gabby could have done so much better than Brian. He was a complete non entity, barely managing to be civil, useless, lacking in common hygiene skills, no prospects, no career, no profession or trade, ugly inside and out, no way of ever breaking free of Mama, not ever, that would have been Gabby's life forever, Roberta in a snit about something, a pie, a look, a concept, Mama Laundrie directing Brian from behind the arras, always with an opinion, an edict. Eventually, hopefully, she would have opened the door and ran for the hills, but he got her first, he knew she was contemplating doing a runner.

So he murdered her, out there in the wild, leaving her body for the buzzards, an ugly ugly creature , our Brian. But he hadn't finished yet, no, he had to make the Petito's and the Schmidts suffer and suffer, and now that Cassie has been estranged from her parents , along with her kids, you could say Brian achieved a high score , as psychopaths often do, they tend to destroy their families, and the families they come in contact with, and it has to be admitted, Brian made a clean sweep of it.
o.m.g....I totally agree. What a good post.

Now add that filmmakers Willoughby, Nason and Gasparrohad had been trying to get in contact with Brian’s parents. They said they reached out to the family, to their lawyer and to Brian’s sister. But they respected the fact that they didn’t want to participate. Ok.....so, here is an opportunity to talk and/or set any records straight. Instead there was silence (even their atty).

After Netflix releases it then their atty gets involved.

He says Netflix has one perspective depicted as the truth as seen through the parent's lens. I thought that was pretty hobbling sentence.

Then he says something like each side believes their perspective is correct. And added it was hard to see through the lens of the other with all the noise and distrust.

My first thought was really?! I think it would be harder to see through this lens through silence. Because that's all Laundries and atty ever give. Silence.

They had their chance to speak, and they turned it down. They had their chance to set their perspective, and they refused. They had their opportunity to tell what they thought was the truth and set records straight, and there was...silence.


And

Netflix Documentary
 
  • #66
Yes, and during this drive home in Gabby's van that FBI Special Agent told Netflix cameras, "The activity between the two phone was almost instantaneous. Brian was holding both phones and talking directly to himself. It was an apparent that he was trying to create an alibi."

Doing this while using her debit card to pay for gas and to top it off Brian also sent himself a Zelle payment of $700 from Gabby’s account, as if in payment for trip supplies.

What he wrote in the memo mimics his own ego.
Brian's outrageous sense of entitlement... not only does he murder her, but now he steals from her, the utter pettiness of a small, halfwitted, twisted child, .. he must have said to himself, ''well.. I am deserving of this money, because.. because, well. .. I just am, because I am B R I A N, and that's all that's needed. I take what a want, when I want and people better not stand in my way..'.............

Why on earth his retained lawyer, ( on a $25,000.00 tab ) didn't warn Brian not to do anything as utterly stupid as taking someone's vehicle, and someone's credit card, and then using them to extort money and mileage is surely a matter for the Bar association to have a bit of a geek at?.. at least a reprimand.....

( someone who is D E A D , that is. Bad enough to steal from the living, but.. gee, stealing from the dead!! )
 
  • #67
Exactly what I wrote. It doesn't matter and there's no proof that either of them considered it both of theirs van. It was always Gabby's and Gabby's only. Even if he happened to give her any money towards it, of which there's no evidence, nor if he helped fix it up or pay for upkeep. It was always SOLELY Gabby's. His reason for taking it doesn't matter. He stole it from his victim. He also stole her credit/debit card. They had a charge prepared for holding him on that. It could however also have furthered his alibi that Gabby walked away from her life and gave the van to him.
The only "proof" the couple may have felt it was a shared vehicle that I know of is that GP called it "our van" in her narrative of the van life video they posted. It's possible she only called it that in the videos they posted. None of us have any way to know. So we are left with only opinions. My opinion is it's unlikely she called it that only for the video. I think too there are pictures of BL working on it that we've seen and I'm pretty sure she referred to BL doing work to get it ready for travel in the video. And given that she wasn't comfortable driving the van, I'm not sure how likely it is that GP worked on it. But that's just an opinion. For me, all things automotive kind of go together.

I agree with those who said he likely took the van to get away. I really doubt he thought he could keep it as his although again, none of us can know his thinking. My opinion is that he surely was aware the title/registration was in her name although others (like his parents) may not have been (another reason he may have taken the van. We truly don't know what he told his parents, after all.) I doubt most parents of adult children "boarders" ask to see the car title if one member of the free-boarding couple refers to a vehicle in the driveway as "theirs." So I can imagine the L's thinking it was co-owned.
MOO
 
  • #68
In addition to being controlling, hot-tempered, violent, BL is also not smart.

I have a theory. That BL flew home (with the van keys) as an idle breakup threat, knowing full well Gabby was stranded and he would use all his methods to ensure she was still ensnared. RL would have been happy with an actual breakup IMO. Have her boy home, he could work at his old job, she could choose his next gf, one who would properly attend to her. But BL was leaving again, and this is where I think the letter. I think she was pressuring BL to end the relationship and she expected it to not go well, be fiery. I will give her this --- I don't think she ever thought BL could or would ever be murder Gabby but that it would be an ugly breakup and that was her horsechit way of saying 'do what you have to do, I'll be here to help you clean up the mess' in language that couldn't be grosser, considering that BL took it all the way to heart.

After killing Gabby, I don't know what he was thinking... walk away? Get a far away from her as he could? But he must have reconsidered, then walked all the way back to the van.

If he'd had any criminal wits about him, he could have parked the van somewhere obscure (and hitched rides to a bus station, called his mommy bawling that Gabby broke up with him, took the van and carried on into Yellowstone on her own. Could he fly home?
Pitch her phone in the water

Buy time, sell the breakup story to his parents. Tell Gabby's family she's van lifing in the mountains, happy to go out alone.

That might have held up a while. Delay alarm bells.

Good thing he's not that smart.

JMO
 
  • #69
His reason for taking it doesn't matter. He stole it from his victim. He also stole her credit/debit card. They had a charge prepared for holding him on that. It could however also have furthered his alibi that Gabby walked away from her life and gave the van to him.
That's an interesting point you make. You say they had a charge prepared for his theft of her money. Do you know if they also had a charge prepared for theft of the van?
 
  • #70
That's an interesting point you make. You say they had a charge prepared for his theft of her money. Do you know if they also had a charge prepared for theft of the van?
Good question.

I believe that issue was discussed here at the time. And there was no way to prove BL "stole" the van without GP's testimony and that was impossible. She easily could have allowed him to drive the van whenever he wished. (Since she disliked driving it, he drove it a lot that we know of.) For a criminal charge to be brought, there has to be a reasonable chance the case can be proven. Here there was probably zero chance re: stealing the van. It's no different than anyone borrowing a car from a friend and ending up in a routine traffic stop/checkpoint. LE's assumption isn't that the car has been stolen and the borrower is not hauled off to the pokey once LE sees the registration. If the friend later says she didn't lend the car or it's already been reported as stolen by the owner, then that's a different matter. But neither of those things had happened or could happen here--GP's body had already been found.

I don't believe the charge for bank fraud was on Gabby's behalf as a victim. Her name wasn't part of the fraud charges/complaint. As was discussed way back when, for the access to have occurred the way it did, it's quite likely GP had shared her acct info with BL. It's possible the couple considered the acct a shared acct. None of us can know what either of them thought. We may present our opinions as obvious "facts" and may strongly believe what we claim, but the reality is most of the information about the couple's thinking died with the couple.

At the time, many people posting here said they shared bank acct info with significant others. But neither they nor Gabby had any right to do that. The bank doesn't make an exception to the rules if the person the acct holder shares with is a domestic partner who also shares a bed with the account holder. The TOS the account holder agreed to follow prohibit sharing acct info. So BL's access was not allowed regardless of what GP did and the action taken was directly on behalf of the bank. (I don't believe it involved a credit card but a debit card and a PIN.) Bringing the charges was acknowledged to be a way to facilitate the search for BL-- it wasn't that the $1000 fraud was seen as such a big deal in and of itself.

"FBI Special Agent in Charge Michael Schneider said an arrest warrant issued Wednesday over the alleged fraudulent use of the bank card will allow law enforcement across the country to continue pursuing Laundrie while the investigation continues into Petito’s homicide."
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MOO
 
  • #71
Good question.

I believe that issue was discussed here at the time. And there was no way to prove BL "stole" the van without GP's testimony and that was impossible. She easily could have allowed him to drive the van whenever he wished. (Since she disliked driving it, he drove it a lot that we know of.) For a criminal charge to be brought, there has to be a reasonable chance the case can be proven. Here there was probably zero chance re: stealing the van. It's no different than anyone borrowing a car from a friend and ending up in a routine traffic stop/checkpoint. LE's assumption isn't that the car has been stolen and the borrower is not hauled off to the pokey once LE sees the registration. If the friend later says she didn't lend the car or it's already been reported as stolen by the owner, then that's a different matter. But neither of those things had happened or could happen here--GP's body had already been found.

I don't believe the charge for bank fraud was on Gabby's behalf as a victim. Her name wasn't part of the fraud charges/complaint. As was discussed way back when, for the access to have occurred the way it did, it's quite likely GP had shared her acct info with BL. It's possible the couple considered the acct a shared acct. None of us can know what either of them thought. We may present our opinions as obvious "facts" and may strongly believe what we claim, but the reality is most of the information about the couple's thinking died with the couple.

At the time, many people posting here said they shared bank acct info with significant others. But neither they nor Gabby had any right to do that. The bank doesn't make an exception to the rules if the person the acct holder shares with is a domestic partner who also shares a bed with the account holder. The TOS the account holder agreed to follow prohibit sharing acct info. So BL's access was not allowed regardless of what GP did and the action taken was directly on behalf of the bank. (I don't believe it involved a credit card but a debit card and a PIN.) Bringing the charges was acknowledged to be a way to facilitate the search for BL-- it wasn't that the $1000 fraud was seen as such a big deal in and of itself.

"FBI Special Agent in Charge Michael Schneider said an arrest warrant issued Wednesday over the alleged fraudulent use of the bank card will allow law enforcement across the country to continue pursuing Laundrie while the investigation continues into Petito’s homicide."
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MOO
While the link no longer works (404 Page Not Found), your summary explained it perfectly. Thank you for that. Sounds like the fraud charges were laid on behalf of the bank while LE had no means to lay charges against him for possession of the van.
 
  • #72
While the link no longer works (404 Page Not Found), your summary explained it perfectly. Thank you for that. Sounds like the fraud charges were laid on behalf of the bank while LE had no means to lay charges against him for possession of the van.
Yes, that is exactly what it sounds like.

I'm sorry about the link. I thought I had checked it. Anyway, here's another link reporting the same thing.

 
  • #73
Two heroes in this story are the Bethune couple who, by complete accident, recorded the white van at Spread Creek as they tried to find a campsite. They noticed the white van because it had Florida plates and that excited them because they're from Florida. They even wanted to talk to them because of the Florida connection. They drove down that dirt road but couldn't find an available site, so turned around and went somewhere else. Just by fluke they captured that van - only because they forgot to shut off the cameras before entering the campground. They had heard about Gabby's disappearance but the original reported timeline didn't add up with when they were there. Once LE changed the timeline to the same dates they were at Spread Creek, the wife took the time to scroll through her footage to find the van captured on her camera. It was just a coincidence they even drove by the van and moreso that it was recorded - like a miracle really. She called the FBI within 5 minutes of finding the footage. True heroes!
 
  • #74
  • #75
Talk about an innocent victim. We can blame Brian for that. Zero regard for Gabby's family. Zero regard for his own sister.

Let's pretend for a second. Volatile relationships, not the first time he laid hands on her. Maybe not even the first time he laid hands on her NECK. Only this time, he didn't let go soon enough, she didn't sputter and recover, he didn't get to make her apologize for upsetting him, making him do what he did (as if). Let's say hr panicked, couldn't take the death rattle that he himself caused, used a boulder to make it stop.

And then called the police. He'd have been arrested, maybe made bail, only if offered it, eventually been tried. His parents souls have stood by him. He'd be alive, drawing whatever he draws, finding religion (they always do). He could have pled guilty, no trial even.

Or he could have killed her with full intention, had no intention of letting her go. And called his parents, just as he did, and they could have made two phone calls. One to their attorney, the other to an anonymous tip line. They could have flown Brian home while giving LE the tip for where to find the van. That alone would have indirectly provided some answers to Gabby's families and a direction for LE, a solid starting point. Their attorney would not have had to make his grotesque public statements hoping Gabby comes home, etc, etc. He picked his words carefully.

Instead, he could have made this statement. The family is cooperating with LE. I have no further statement. It could have been true, too. Families do hard things. We've seen it plenty on WS, standing by adult children, accused of all manner of crimes. We don't always like it but generally we accept it.

They didn't do that. They concealed Brian, concealed the fact that he came back to Florida alone, and not just alone, but with Gabby's van. They absolutely knew that last possible day Brian could verify Gabby's life. The day he called. EVEN if we pretend we believe that 'gone' meant 'off on holiday', that would have been a DECENT thing to share, if not with Gabby's family, if not directly with LE, then anonymously. They were choosing yo support their son, why didn't they think Gabby's families should get to support Gabby, if they could find her? They could gather all their wagons and mustangs abd surround Brian, and leave Gabby's families to search in the general area of whatever tip the Laundries provided.

Instead they protected Brian at the expense and to the detriment of Gabby's innocent families. That's yucky.

i applaud his sister. For rising above the fray. I suspect she's horrified by what he brother did, angry that he even had the opportunity to take his life without taking the punishment due to him, and divorced from her family because, either she didn't support how her parents handled it or her parents don't support her, angry that she didn't coddle Brian, which seems like an unspoken, then spoken, bad family rule.

She didn't ask for this. Not the murder, not how her parents and Brian hid.

Letting Brian leave the house at all. Even if they thought she wasn't dead or that he only accidentally killed her or some such, they knew he did something $25K-retainer bad.

And let him leave the house, under those conditions. Didn't alert LE. Gave him daaaaaays iirc before making that call. Calculated. Gave Brian just enough time to come back of his own volition, or if not, do what they had to know he intended to do. I will never get my head around that. (Going to guess -- dysfunctional "love" -- knowing Brian was distraught and believing that his dirty bare feet would never survive captivity, I think they decided to 'let him go'. Misguided at best. But unfair. Unfair to let Brian wiggle out of responsibility for what he'd done. Unfair to leave Gabby's families with no answer and no way to even know where to look for Gabby...

And it just didn't need to go like this.

You can love your adult child without enabling. You can support them without harboring them. You can back them while simultaneously doing the right thing, if you've got healthy boundaries to begin with.

Simple formula like: I'll post bail for you. But I won't help you commit the crime.

I'll love you no matter what. But I won't bring trash bags or help you bury the body.

But here we are.

Brian had help evading justice.

JMO
 
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  • #76
That's an interesting point you make. You say they had a charge prepared for his theft of her money. Do you know if they also had a charge prepared for theft of the van?
I'm jumping in here without reading all the posts first so I might be repeating stuff already said.

That said, I don't think they needed to charge him for the van. There was no need for it because they charged him for the theft of her money. They needed that to hold him. Once that was done then they could go after him for the murder.

They didn't need charges for different things they just needed one charge to hold him.
 
  • #77
Talk about an innocent victim. We can blame Brian for that. Zero regard for Gabby's family. Zero regard for his own sister.

Let's pretend for a second. Volatile relationships, not the first time he laid hands on her. Maybe not even the first time he laid hands on her NECK. Only this time, he didn't let go soon enough, she didn't sputter and recover, he didn't get to make her apologize for upsetting him, making him do what he did (as if). Let's say hr panicked, couldn't take the death rattle that he himself caused, used a boulder to make it stop.

And then called the police. He'd have been arrested, maybe made bail, only if offered it, eventually been tried. His parents souls have stood by him. He'd be alive, drawing whatever he draws, finding religion (they always do). He could have pled guilty, no trial even.

Or he could have killed her with full intention, had no intention of letting her go. And called his parents, just as he did, and they could have made two phone calls. One to their attorney, the other to an anonymous tip line. They could have flown Brian home while giving LE the tip for where to find the van. That alone would have indirectly provided some answers to Gabby's families and a direction for LE, a solid starting point. Their attorney would not have had to make his grotesque public statements hoping Gabby comes home, etc, etc. He picked his words carefully.

Instead, he could have made this statement. The family is cooperating with LE. I have no further statement. It could have been true, too. Families do hard things. We've seen it plenty on WS, standing by adult children, accused of all manner of crimes. We don't always like it but generally we accept it.

They didn't do that. They concealed Brian, concealed the fact that he came back to Florida alone, and not just alone, but with Gabby's van. They absolutely knew that last possible day Brian could verify Gabby's life. The day he called. EVEN if we pretend we believe that 'gone' meant 'off on holiday', that would have been a DECENT thing to share, if not with Gabby's family, if not directly with LE, then anonymously. They were choosing yo support their son, why didn't they think Gabby's families should get to support Gabby, if they could find her? They could gather all their wagons and mustangs abd surround Brian, and leave Gabby's families to search in the general area of whatever tip the Laundries provided.

Instead they protected Brian at the expense and to the detriment of Gabby's innocent families. That's yucky.

i applaud his sister. For rising above the fray. I suspect she's horrified by what he brother did, angry that he even had the opportunity to take his life without taking the punishment due to him, and divorced from her family because, either she didn't support how her parents handled it or her parents don't support her, angry that she didn't coddle Brian, which seems like an unspoken, then spoken, bad family rule.

She didn't ask for this. Not the murder, not how her parents and Brian hid.

Letting Brian leave the house at all. Even if they thought she wasn't dead or that he only accidentally killed her or some such, they knew he did something $25K-retainer bad.

And let him leave the house, under those conditions. Didn't alert LE. Gave him daaaaaays iirc before making that call. Calculated. Gave Brian just enough time to come back of his own volition, or if not, do what they had to know he intended to do. I will never get my head around that. (Going to guess -- dysfunctional "love" -- knowing Brian was distraught and believing that his dirty bare feet would never survive captivity, I think they decided to 'let him go'. Misguided at best. But unfair. Unfair to let Brian wiggle out of responsibility for what he'd done. Unfair to leave Gabby's families with no answer and no way to even know where to look for Gabby...

And it just didn't need to go like this.

You can love your adult child without enabling. You can support them without harboring them. You can back them while simultaneously doing the right thing, if you've got healthy boundaries to begin with.

Simple formula like: I'll post bail for you. But I won't help you commit the crime.

I'll love you no matter what. But I won't bring trash bags or help you bury the body.

But here we are.

Brian had help evading justice.

JMO
And that's the timeless truth, (imho) indeed. :( Well stated.
 
  • #78
I'm not following you. Are you saying that LE should have informed both GP and Bl that they can or will harm each other and they should separate?
No, that's not quite it. LE could have told both of resources for safety if needed.

It is usually not good DV practice to tell a potential survivor/victim what s/he should think of the situation (such as saying that harm will happen) or what to do about it (such as saying you should separate).

Generally, you want to offer resources and and support what the potential survivor/victim perceives as the situation and support the survivor's autonomy in making the best decisions for the survivor.

Brian had scratches on his face, if I recall? The officers would have done no harm to him to ask if he were in danger, if he has a plan if she keeps scratching, etc. If he said she scared him, they could have offered resources to find safety. There would be no need to "prove " it were really true she was indeed the one who scratched him, of if she were the aggressor.

If they had done a lethality assessment, I doubt LE would be worried about Gabby harming Brian. But they still would not do harm by telling him he has resources if he needed them.

MOO

MOO
 
  • #79
Good question.

I believe that issue was discussed here at the time. And there was no way to prove BL "stole" the van without GP's testimony and that was impossible. She easily could have allowed him to drive the van whenever he wished. (Since she disliked driving it, he drove it a lot that we know of.) For a criminal charge to be brought, there has to be a reasonable chance the case can be proven. Here there was probably zero chance re: stealing the van. It's no different than anyone borrowing a car from a friend and ending up in a routine traffic stop/checkpoint. LE's assumption isn't that the car has been stolen and the borrower is not hauled off to the pokey once LE sees the registration. If the friend later says she didn't lend the car or it's already been reported as stolen by the owner, then that's a different matter. But neither of those things had happened or could happen here--GP's body had already been found.

I don't believe the charge for bank fraud was on Gabby's behalf as a victim. Her name wasn't part of the fraud charges/complaint. As was discussed way back when, for the access to have occurred the way it did, it's quite likely GP had shared her acct info with BL. It's possible the couple considered the acct a shared acct. None of us can know what either of them thought. We may present our opinions as obvious "facts" and may strongly believe what we claim, but the reality is most of the information about the couple's thinking died with the couple.

At the time, many people posting here said they shared bank acct info with significant others. But neither they nor Gabby had any right to do that. The bank doesn't make an exception to the rules if the person the acct holder shares with is a domestic partner who also shares a bed with the account holder. The TOS the account holder agreed to follow prohibit sharing acct info. So BL's access was not allowed regardless of what GP did and the action taken was directly on behalf of the bank. (I don't believe it involved a credit card but a debit card and a PIN.) Bringing the charges was acknowledged to be a way to facilitate the search for BL-- it wasn't that the $1000 fraud was seen as such a big deal in and of itself.

"FBI Special Agent in Charge Michael Schneider said an arrest warrant issued Wednesday over the alleged fraudulent use of the bank card will allow law enforcement across the country to continue pursuing Laundrie while the investigation continues into Petito’s homicide."
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MOO


It is relevant that they did not die at the same time. Once Brian murdered Gabby, there is no more "our van," "our account," or "our debit card." Everything changes after half of "us" murders "us."

MOO
 
  • #80
It is relevant that they did not die at the same time. Once Brian murdered Gabby, there is no more "our van," "our account," or "our debit card." Everything changes after half of "us" murders "us."

MOO
Although it was known she was dead, it was not a known fact BL murdered GP at that time. And the basis for the "bank fraud" charge wasn't that he had taken money belonging to GP. It was that he accessed an account that wasn't his. Her name was not even included in the charging materials because it didn't matter whose acct it was by law. The charge was on behalf of the bank. And it wasn't a charge of theft. But to charge him with theft of the vehicle, even though it was titled in her name, required more evidence than they had or were able to get. Driving a car that is registered to another person is not proof it was stolen. The fact it was registered to her was enough for it to be impounded in Florida but not enough to prove he stole it. And really, why would LE spend time on the issue of the van? As I said in my last post, an FBI spokesperson said bringing the fraud charge was simply to facilitate the search for GP's killer. They weren't interested in the $1000 and neither were they interested in the van.
MOO
 

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