Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #48

[SuziQ]

What liability would Brian's family have for harboring a person who is "a person of interest" vs. someone who is wanted for murder? Aside from the bank fraud charges, he hasn't had a warrant issued for anything else. To villify the parents and to speculate as to the possibility of charges being brought against them would mean that they are responsible for doing investigative work for LE, wouldn't it? Is that a crime?

Please. Don't lie to LE ever. Even by omission. Don't even lie about what you had for breakfast. And especially do not lie to the feds. I have seen people get charged with OJ even though the original suspect was never charged. I have seen people get more time than the suspect is charged. People are charged with OJ even though the lie had nothing to do with the case at hand.

Do not lie to LE, especially the Feds.

 

[nocommoncents]

I cannot understand why he went back.

The only reason I can come up with is that the abandoned van would be suspicious, leading to the discovery of the body. What I can't figure out is why he didn't handle the van and then take off?

 

[Sassafrass]

But it would depend which state tries him, would it not? If charged with murder would this not be in the state the offence occurred in?

We're in Federal territory atm.

 

[SuziQ]

But right now all he is wanted for is bank fraud. If they know more, why have no additional charges been made?

Well Federal homicide charges have to go before a grand jury. That will take time. This is not a tv show.

 

[OtisC]

Which supports my point that I do not see him as having had a grand premeditated plan.

However, the longer he stays unfound, the more likely he had a plan.

 

[putnam6]

Wow, that is news. Do you have a source? I thought MSM indicated (like you said) that she moved from NY to FL. I was unaware of the NC detour. Very interesting.

So we can assume Brian was or wasn't with her if she was in Wilmington NC? cause I haven't heard that either

Gabby Petito lived, worked in North Carolina for more than 1 year prior to moving to Florida

Does not say if Brian was with her? I would assume not...

 

[simon magus]

Traveling requires money. They couldn’t even afford a hotel in Moab. Also, COVID restrictions limit some travel. Anywhere he flew would require a passport. He also would be unlikely to know other countries well enough to hide out and survive, again money. He knows national parks like the back of his hand. Lastly, I would think getting a legit looking fake passport would be challenging otherwise the feds would know exactly where he went. Based on his social media accounts he did not appear to be an international traveler. Most criminals hang within their comfort level.

BBM, and my observation only pertains to the bolded portion...i've wondered if his statement that they couldn't afford a hotel was made because he thought LE might just allow them to go on their way...maybe he wasn't aware that they were going to provide the room without cost...just something that occurrred to me...MOO

 

[Bertha96]

Think of the Laundries (near and far) as the left side of a strip of Velcro and the FBI as the right side. Put both sides together and try to slide a dollar bill between them.
An illustration of the difficulties financing Brian's grand tour.
MOO

Yes, it would be interesting to see if the Ls have withdrawn or transferred a large amount of money out of their accounts recently that could have been passed on to a third party so the third party could send it to BL. Follow the money! IMO.

 

[Nikynoo]

Wy carries the death penalty.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...tions/project_blog/wyoming-legislature-votes/

Yes, I just checked. They had 1 inmate on death row, whose sentence was overturned. There has been 1 execution since 1977. It looks like they recently moved to repeal it, but it failed. What is interesting is that they have slashed the budget for DP cases.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...tions/project_blog/wyoming-legislature-votes/

 

[Cedar Sherwood]

Think of the Laundries (near and far) as the left side of a strip of Velcro and the FBI as the right side. Put both sides together and try to slide a dollar bill between them.
An illustration of the difficulties financing Brian's grand tour.
MOO

I agree, as long as the Velcro isn't coated in dog fur.

 

[Nikynoo]

National Parks are considered federal territory, so in this particular case the federal statutes apply.

Can you explain what this means please?

 

[TheGardener]

I cannot understand why he went back.

He changed his mind about hitchhiking home. Was afraid a camper would find Gabby's dead body. He didn't want to be picked up by the cops on the road with his thumb sticking out.
The van offered him shelter and a speedy trip home.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

This stands out to me.
If you want the FBI/LE to find your suicidal son why wouldn't you provide items with his scent on them? Unless you don't want them to find him.

The K9 team had to rely on its experience of nearly 200 search and rescue missions because the Laundrie family did not supply anything with Brian’s scent on it, Hadsell said.

“The parents as you know are being uncooperative, so we don’t have any sent articles or anything from Brian to be able to use it as a target odor for our dogs to work on,” Hadsell said. “So, we do what we call, ‘general human scent.’

Way behind here, but my thoughts exactly. You've reported your son missing to law enforcement. In every missing case I've ever seen, the frantic parents have welcomed every offer of assistance, even from out of the mainstream sources like psychics. Yet the Laundries called the cops on DTBH.

Now if DTBH knocked on my door I might call the cops too, because before this I would have barely known who he was. So they might have initially called the cops for that reason. But once they learned he was interesting in helping find BL, why wouldn't they have welcomed his assistance?

Because they're not worried about him. MOO.

More and more I am baffled by what the Laundries thought they were accomplishing by reporting BL as missing to law enforcement.

 

[Hyway]

Allocation of resources is daily business in government, business, any organization.

yes it is. Thats what I meant that LE hasn't really spent an extra $1.5 million on the search. They have simply reallocated most of the $1.5 mil. There will be some charges that wouldn't have been made without the search, but most aren't affecting the overall budget.

MOO And another part of government is that the money spent isn't really coming out of the personal pocket of anyone involved. Its coming out of their budget, which isn't the same thing. I have seen a fair share of projects continue on their own momentum long after the need for the project had evaporated.

 

[EvieIvyOver]

Because it’s not a crime?

Wouldn't taking a van registered in a deceased person's name be considered theft?

 

[Sassafrass]

Good points and air travel is easily traced by authorities and there are a lot of cameras in airports. If he has changed his appearance it would be on the news as soon as LE got the footage, showing everyone what he currently looks like. IMO.

My point was that if you're going to go with this idea of a grand premeditated plan (the comment to which I replied), he could have set up any number of decoys and real escape plans PRIOR (premeditation as described by that comment) to anyone even knowing she was dead.

To be clear: my perception of things is that he killed her, but that if it was premeditated, it was not likely something he planned for weeks in advance, bc someone doing that would either have found a convoluted way to a remote place, or they would have arranged it so that they could (they hope) continue living their life as before.

 

[BeanieBod]

Totally agree.

The following is simply my humble opinion with a few links tossed in for the veracity of my assumptions.

Dog stated a few days ago that the team of dogs he hired are sniffing for "adrenaline" that comes from one being on high alert while in a (constant) state of higher vigilance.

BL allegedly flew home to clean out storage on Aug 17, five days after the Aug 12 Moab incident, and back to Utah on the 23rd where Gabby checked out of the SLC Fairfield Inn near the airport on Aug 24. If this is confirmed, she was murdered just a couple of days later. So, did BL fly back to Utah in order to murder Gabby? And, in order to steal her bank cards?

Gabby Petito's Utah hotel, where she was last seen publicly, was 2 blocks from FBI field office: report

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Campsite planning app offers new clues in case of missing woman Gabby Petito

"Petito and her fiance were in Moab around the time of Aug. 12, the same day Petito posted images to Instagram of herself in Arches National Park. Moab police also responded to a “domestic problem” that day involving the couple that was later categorized as a disorderly conduct incident, records show.
No one was charged in relation to the incident, which was reported outside of Moonflower Community Cooperative in Moab, where Schulte worked."
Authorities rule out link between Gabby Petito case, couple killed in Moab

There is a specific reason for him traveling to FL on the 17th and returning to kill Gabby. I agree with John Walsh in that he beat her, strangled her and possibly stomped on her face because she would not stop talking. Did she know anything about the couples' murders and he feared she may tell on him?

With a clear conscious, I will unequivocally state, Gabby's murder was premeditated. He very well may be a serial killer. JMHOO

He's done several things that I feel were planned well in advance, including what he's doing at this very moment. Other than killing a precious human, his name is now known worldwide just as Chris Watts and Ted Bundy's are. I believe he quite enjoys his notorious claim to fame.

Sociopaths are like that in that they adore attention whether it's good or bad attention. He's playing Catch Me If You Can. The FBI got egg on their face when Dog tracked the Laundries to the campground 75 miles N of their home. Again, jmhoo.

He'll be a fugitive for a while because he planned this part, too.

Since the Big Lie told by CL on GMA has been revealed by Brian Entin, it further shows the Laudries possess a lack of respect for typical ethical behavior most of us live by.

#JusticeForGabby

 

[lizzied]

Thanks - Do you think the amount of time the body was in the open made determination as to cause more difficult?

MOD delete if not okay.

I would think it would be a challenge for sure in this case.
As a nurse practitioner who has had to fill these out many times, it can be a challenge in some cases.

IMO and from my experience there are generally 3 blank lines for cause of death. And from my knowledge they do not differ in format from state to state. There are also detailed instructions on the back. The medical examiner (*in the case of an autopsy/suspicious/unnatural) has jurisdiction of the deceased, but they can release the deceased, if they are waiting on toxicology, labs, etc as someone mentioned and then actual COD is completed.

For example.
Manner of death: natural

1. COD : acute cardiac arrest
2. due to: coronary artery disease, 3. due to high cholesterol. (example)

then there are contributing factors : smoking, obesity, family history, etc.

(NOT all 3 lines necessarily need to be complete to certify).

So manner of death in my example would be 'natural' IMO.
The death certificate is a below.



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[x_files]

Way behind here, but my thoughts exactly. You've reported your son missing to law enforcement. In every missing case I've ever seen, the frantic parents have welcomed every offer of assistance, even from out of the mainstream sources like psychics. Yet the Laundries called the cops on DTBH.

Now if DTBH knocked on my door I might call the cops too, because before this I would have barely known who he was. So they might have initially called the cops for that reason. But once they learned he was interesting in helping find BL, why wouldn't they have welcomed his assistance?

Because they're not worried about him. MOO.

More and more I am baffled by what the Laundries thought they were accomplishing by reporting BL as missing to law enforcement.

I cannot think of another missing person case where the parents refused help to search for their missing child. Not giving a piece of Brian's clothes is odd.
Anyone can think of a single case?

 

[LadyL]

Please. Don't lie to LE ever. Even by omission. Don't even lie about what you had for breakfast. And especially do not lie to the feds. I have seen people get charged with OJ even though the original suspect was never charged. I have seen people get more time than the suspect is charged. People are charged with OJ even though the lie had nothing to do with the case at hand.

Do not lie to LE, especially the Feds.

what is OJ?