Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #81

[Cloudydiamond]

Im pretty sure the manager abs the waitstaff told LE abs the FBI what happened!

I do t think the manager would go on the news abs tell a different story!

I agree.

 

[LinneaE]

I agree with your post. When I see their videos and pictures, I look at their body language. Something about it has always make me question their relationship. I think BL was in love with GP, but GP appears to be posing; not really wanting to get too close. It almost looks like something you might see in a travel brochure. He looks at her longer, and he leans in more. She on the other hand, looks at him sort of from the side or leans away. She has much more eye contact with the camera. Part of me believes there in lies a major part of their problems. GP wanted a travel buddy to project an image, and BL wanted to hike and be hidden away with just GP. Two people with different paths thinking they are on the same one, but just caused more problems for them.

After the new MP information, I question if it was even GP and BL , at all. It could very well have been another couple. No credit card info, no surveillance, and the manager sees many patrons each day. I don't question that a couple may have tried to walk out without paying their tab, but I wonder if it was another couple. We all know how similar BL looks.

I am questioning if GP was even alive on the 27th. She may have died August 26th at Spread Creek. Perhaps, the night of August 25 to early morning of August 26th. Whatever the date, I believe it was another fight similar to the one in Moab. This fight was in such a remote place that it escalated in GP's death. JMO

She was alive on Aug 27 when she was last seen at the Merry Piglet. I have always believed he killed her the night of the 27th.

 

[Van Helsing]

Possibly they got into an argument about the conditions of the site (it didn't really look that appealing to me, add to that having to walk through water to get to it on a chilly night).

[snipped ans BBM]
These conditions could have created a desperate situation for GP, which could have lead to a fight that ended with ... (just conjecture)

 

[angelwngs]

We don’t know anything about her at all!
Not a thing
Jmo

Does anyone know a reputable source that reported about the bazaar bookmarks reported by one of the less reputable sources to have BL artwork drawings colored/splattered in blood, which it was said GP tried to help BL sell online for extra money (prior to) or for the trip! Publish date is Oct 27, 2021. The Entire Thing Is Very macabre. Very ‘out of character’ IMO. I can post the link to one source, but it is no MSM sourced. I ran across it checking for updates on case and was hopeful it is extremely exaggerated or simply untrue due to how against character it seemed. Then I came here and read about them supposedly trying to skip out on MP bill. Not sure what to think anymore. (Feel free to delete if this subject has been discussed and I missed it.)
Brian made bookmarks covered in BLOOD & Gabby Petito tried selling them online

 

[simplemind]

Just catching up on the MP manager comments. It is interesting to hear that it revolved around failure to pay the bill and walking out. So could be from inattentive service, dine and dash situation, or problems with order. The manager is privy to the details of the interactions with the servers but it is also filtered through servers' eyes which is different than a customer sitting at the next table. Also important to remember any eyewitness's memory is very fallible, especially with several weeks before having to recall.

Edited to remove information not accurate to current SM account

 

[TL4S]

From the outside looking in, we only have a snippet or two of their "real" life. Not vlogging photos or hearsay stories, but true, candid moments. We have the Moab bodycam footage, and the photos and videos inadvertently captured by visitors to the same UT parks GP and BL happened to be at.

In the photos and videos, captured weeks and days before the Moab footage, they are smiling, talking, laughing, and holding hands, without knowing they are being filmed. In the bodycam footage we see an argument involving control over GP's phone and keys. I know I've said it a million times, but based on what little information we have about their relationship, it does not appear, to me, to have been all bad. But we do know that the phone and keys issue did, at least once, escalate into a significant physical altercation. I think the control over her phone and keys is more deeply rooted in a mutual fear of abandonment, maybe based on anxiety and being far from home and cooped up. IDK and am not comfortable making too many assumptions on the subject. But I'm willing to consider that the same phone and keys issue was reoccurring and a very plausible cause of the argument that led to GP's death. That seems more likely as a cause than the MP "incident," whatever it was. And imo, it does not point to any particular date of death, because nobody hearing from GP after the 27th could be as simple as BL having her phone. jmo.

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[putnam6]

Seems highly unlikely. Strangulation isn’t a typical way to kill a stranger. It’s a method that shows a lot of personal rage at the victim.

Really? I don't know if I would even call it rare, Boston Strangler comes to mind. Heard stories where some killers get a kick of the face-to-face strangulation, not to mention the silence of such an attack, in a camp area. Not saying this happened or is likely though just still possible. Lots of crime and nefarious people and activities can be found in our national parks. Look no further than you know who, Brian and Gabby crossed paths with.

So many questions it's gonna get increasingly frustrating...

 

[x_files]

I'm very bothered by the managers statement, not because I don't believe or do believe it. It just doesn't make sense to me that Gabby & BL walked out on their check. Then being chased by the waitress, paying the bill in the parking lot and Gabby returning to ask for a refund.

What bothers me is why they left without paying in the first place? That part doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can only imagine why, but I can't imagine that Gabby & BL weren't upset, that just doesn't make sense to me and it's probably something that will never be clear to me.

I believe Gabby was upset and low and behold BL wasn't. Feels like the Moab stop all over again. Now we know for a fact that BL was able to control himself and his temper, like a light switch you can turn on and off.

Maybe it's just a guy thing, that I don't know. I know if I'm really worked up and upset I can't just switch it off and act like nothing ever happened. BL was able to do it twice in a matter of days. I believe he was behind not paying and then forcing Gabby to return for a refund while he waited outside. Did he actually get off on her pain? Was he really that cruel?

From Moonflower outside slapping and hitting Gabby to less than 10 minutes later acting as cool as a cucumber acting as if nothing had just happened. It's so bizarre to me and that's what makes no sense to me. Not that I expect BL to be wailing and crying, but the anger inside him that he could turn on and off. That's so scary to me that a person can do it like BL was able to do it. JMHO

I have witnessed someone fly into a rage, turn red in the face become violent then when a stranger walked back turn on the charm, and sem like the "nice guy." We cannot discuss mental health or DV on this forum but some people have the ability to switch it on & off quickly.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Just catching up on the MP manager comments. It is interesting to hear that it revolved around failure to pay the bill and walking out. So could be from inattentive service, dine and dash situation, or problems with order. The SM report about fighting at the table shouldn't be completely disregarded against the manager's comments. The manager is privy to the details of the interactions with the servers but it is also filtered through servers' eyes which is different than a customer sitting at the next table. That said, obviously the SM account is at least partially incorrect and seemingly hyperbolic in many ways but no doubt she would notice the vibe of their table more than a server in a likely busy restaurant.

The SM influencer does not describe any disturbance at the actual table. In fact, she says she took no notice of them at all (from 1-2 feet away) and only noticed them when they "abruptly" stood up to leave. There was no "fight" at the table, reported either by the manager or the SM influencer. jmo

 

[simplemind]

The SM influencer does not describe any disturbance at the actual table. In fact, she says she took no notice of them at all (from 1-2 feet away) and only noticed them when they "abruptly" stood up to leave. There was no "fight" at the table, reported either by the manager or the SM influencer. jmo

In her first Instagram videos I believe that was her claim. I see her account is now private so that is interesting. I admittedly didn't listen to her interviews after the IG stories.

I've edited my previous post as to not spread contradictory info from her current statements.

 

[x_files]

Yes, that's very possible. I can think it possible that Gabby stepped into the restroom, seeing BL outside walked out.

I also think it's possible that once it became a issue outside, Gabby paid the bill. Returning to ask for a refund was most likely caused by a discussion with BL about why he left in the first place, then possibly agreeing with him, Gabby went back to ask for a refund.

I also believe employee's at the Merry Piglet didn't see anything going on outside, so therefore they didn't see Gabby crying and BL doing what he did best, being upset with Gabby for paying the bill. A argument ensued. JMO

Another theory to add to yours which I find very plausible...what if the manager did see them fighting and her crying but was told NOT to discuss it out of fear of the restaurant being sued for NOT calling the police?
At a bar, I worked at if we called the police we would be fired. The mgr or owner was the only one who could make that call. They did NOT call the police when a man attacked a woman in the restroom they took her and put her on the sidewalk across the street then had a stranger call the police so not affiliated with the bar. The owner feared lawsuits and losing his liquor license. If any incident occurred at the bar and the media called we would NOT be permitted to speak or face being fired and sued. This is a high-profile case if Merry Piglet's witnessed DV and didn't report it gives them bad press. MOO, Just food for thought after working in the food/bar industry.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Please correct me if I’m wrong but I vaguely remember when the whole MP thing first came out the manager downright dismissed the situation saying either she couldn’t recall or she wasn’t there and her servers hadn’t even mentioned an altercation, then she mentioned the lack of video due to it being deleted . Am I going crazy? MOO.

I don't understand why the manager would delete the security video at all.

Once the security camera hard drive has reached maximum storage capacity, it simply overwrites older footage and replaces it with new footage. Even if any video is deleted it doesn't get erased permanently and the video data still remains on the hard drive unless overwritten.

It was only after the media came out with the story about what happened at the Merry Piglets that they came out with this:

 

[Nikynoo]

Just catching up on the MP manager comments. It is interesting to hear that it revolved around failure to pay the bill and walking out. So could be from inattentive service, dine and dash situation, or problems with order. The manager is privy to the details of the interactions with the servers but it is also filtered through servers' eyes which is different than a customer sitting at the next table. Also important to remember any eyewitness's memory is very fallible, especially with several weeks before having to recall.

Edited to remove information not accurate to current SM account

Just to note, the SM account stated that she only notices G and B when they 'abruptly' got up to leave. I do not believe there was any distrubance at the table.

 

[jjonez]

Jim Schmidt told Dr Phil, ‘Her body was found — I guess it would be in front of a tent, if that’s what was there — or just in front of the fire ring… there was definitely a fire ring there’. Nichole said, ‘It wasn’t far from the van. It was a 5 minute walk’.

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I'm wondering whether the area I've circled is where the tent may have been. There are some stones to the right of the bottom of the cross but I’m not sure if this is part of the fire ring he was referring to.

Gabby Petito's body was found 'a five-minute walk from her and Brian Laundrie's van' | Daily Mail Online

He told Dr. Phil that he hiked to the scene and started to collect rocks. “It was exactly where they found her. So, I laid the cross directly over where her torso was. I was told the direction in which her head was laying. That’s where I placed two flowers in the ground, right where her head was.”

Gabby Petito's family sharing more about how they are coping and moving forward

that is precisely the spot I imagine for the tent when I hear JS’s speculation of the scene.

 

[Nikynoo]

Really? I don't know if I would even call it rare, Boston Strangler comes to mind. Heard stories where some killers get a kick of the face-to-face strangulation, not to mention the silence of such an attack, in a camp area. Not saying this happened or is likely though just still possible. Lots of crime and nefarious people and activities can be found in our national parks. Look no further than you know who, Brian and Gabby crossed paths with.

So many questions it's gonna get increasingly frustrating...

Recent case here in the UK - Sarah Everard - strangled by a stranger.

 

[simplemind]

It was only after the media came out with the story about what happened at the Merry Piglets that they came out with this:

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Perhaps MP didn't want to bring attention to the incident itself as it could have been about poor service or food?

 

[CharlestonGal]

In her first Instagram videos I believe that was her claim. I see her account is now private so that is interesting. I admittedly didn't listen to her interviews after the IG stories.

I've edited my previous post as to not spread contradictory info from her current statements.

I didn't see her insta video. I saw her interview on NBC. She said neither she, nor her companion noticed them at all at the table. She stated she took notice of BL at the hostess stand. Her companion did not notice them at the table at all and only took notice of BL when SM directly pointed it out to him.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...4846114.html&usg=AOvVaw1mJxqMoOiJgrDuvDKk4jjs

 

[Nikynoo]

Perhaps MP didn't want to bring attention to the incident itself as it could have been about poor service or food?

But surely, saying it was a dine and dash (plus requesting a refund), put G&B in a worse light and would bring more attention to MP?

 

[simplemind]

But surely, saying it was a dine and dash (plus requesting a refund), put G&B in a worse light and would bring more attention to MP?

But a dine and dash can be different than leaving because of poor service or bad food. It can be great food and service that you sneak away from last second.

 

[Nikynoo]

But a dine and dash can be different than leaving because of poor service or bad food. It can be great food and service that you sneak away from last second.

Oh, I agree. But usually if its bad food or service, you make it known. You don't just walk(or sneak) out.