Zellner Tweets

[Jaiddie]

Ryan Ferguson gave his views of Zellner's tweets and the purpose behind them. He makes excellent points, IMHO.

 

[zerbert]

Because whoever KZ is referring to, recently hid an ad.

What this feature means is that via cookies or something similar, if you report an ad to Craigslist (because it's miscategorized, or it's a scam, or it's illegal, or for whatever reason), it will automatically hide it from your search results so that the next time you run your Beanie Baby search, that rogue ad for counterfeit Weenie Wavys that you keep reporting doesn't keep coming up and annoying you.

You can't nefariously inject a clandestine ad into Craigslist by means of this new feature.

 

[Limaes]

Is he kidding? Criminals and Defense Attorneys have also been using the media to muddy the waters of investigations and they have been doing so for donkeys years.

SA himself could not put himself in front of the cameras enough to tell the public the cops were going to plant evidence and this is before anyone knew she was deceased.

OJ Simpson and the Ramseys did the same thing. If anyone has a big bag of underhanded and manipulative tactics, its a defense attorney and based on her behaviour in the Avery case, Zellner isn't against digging deep into her bag.



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[Jaiddie]

Is he kidding? Criminals and Defense Attorneys have also been using the media to muddy the waters of investigations and they have been doing so for donkeys years.

SA himself could not put himself in front of the cameras enough to tell the public the cops were going to plant evidence and this is before anyone knew she was deceased.

OJ Simpson and the Ramseys did the same thing. If anyone has a big bag of underhanded and manipulative tactics, its a defense attorney and based on her behaviour in the Avery case, Zellner isn't against digging deep into her bag.



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Criminals with MONEY who can afford the BEST defense attorneys may have been using the media for years, but not necessarily your run of the mill average Joe Shmoe who has to settle for a public defender. Those people are more often than not influenced to take a plea deal, to make the case reach resolution faster, JMO. As far as SA being so quick to say set up to the media that quick, one has to look at the fact that he had spent 12 years in prison for his wrongful conviction from that County and just gotten out a few years previously, so it is not like he wasn't speaking from experience. Not to mention the fact that his criminal complaint from Nov 3, 2005 lists him as a suspect in a homicide [when at that point, she should be a missing person as far as everyone is concerned], so apparently LE seems to be well aware that she is deceased at the very least. But, no, that is not suspicious at all. smh.

 

[Hez]

Is he kidding? Criminals and Defense Attorneys have also been using the media to muddy the waters of investigations and they have been doing so for donkeys years.

SA himself could not put himself in front of the cameras enough to tell the public the cops were going to plant evidence and this is before anyone knew she was deceased.

OJ Simpson and the Ramseys did the same thing. If anyone has a big bag of underhanded and manipulative tactics, its a defense attorney and based on her behaviour in the Avery case, Zellner isn't against digging deep into her bag.



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Casey Anthony is another example and she had NO money to her name either. Zellner is venturing into Jose Baez territory with her tweets. :moo:

 

[missy1974]

Kathleen Zellner ‏@ZellnerLaw 1h1 hour ago
The ONE & ONLY Steven Avery Legal Defense Fund: http://www.kathleentzellner.com/steven-avery #MakingAMurderer #UnmakingAMurderer

she tweeted the above with the following picture of a statement:



**** I have read "rumour" or "rumor" (depending on your country haha) that the family may not be using donated funds for what is intended. That being said.... I have also read posts on the now official family fb asking how they can "help" the family too. So I'm not sure if this is in response to that, or if it's in response to others (because there has been a few different people trying to make money off this situation.... always 1 or 5 in the crowd lol)

 

[HastingsChi]

Kathleen Zellner ‏@ZellnerLaw 1h1 hour ago
The ONE & ONLY Steven Avery Legal Defense Fund: http://www.kathleentzellner.com/steven-avery #MakingAMurderer #UnmakingAMurderer

she tweeted the above with the following picture of a statement:
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**** I have read "rumour" or "rumor" (depending on your country haha) that the family may not be using donated funds for what is intended. That being said.... I have also read posts on the now official family fb asking how they can "help" the family too. So I'm not sure if this is in response to that, or if it's in response to others (because there has been a few different people trying to make money off this situation.... always 1 or 5 in the crowd lol)

Someone truly working pro bono would not accept donations herself, rather if they were really working with the Innocence Project, donations would be directed there and earmarked for their client.

Between her Twitter behavior and having recently watched "A Murder In the Park" I grow more skeptical of her and wonder if she's got a case of the David Protess syndrome...

 

[missy1974]

From what I understand HastingsChi.... SA is actually Zellner's client, but she has the assistance of the other lawyer with the Innocence Project because she is from out of state. It's not like Zellner is assisting the Innocence Project. Someone could correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't see anything wrong with the funds going to experts or for testing, etc. The way that statement is worded.... they are not using the funds as a fee or to pay themselves. If people want to "help", whatever.... LOL

I did read elsewhere that someone had actually set up a website with the same address as Zellner but with an extra letter in it, so I think it was actually in response to that incident. I don't want to see anyone getting scammed, if they want to and they have the extra money to donate... it should at least go to the right person/cause. IMO

 

[Limaes]

Someone truly working pro bono would not accept donations herself, rather if they were really working with the Innocence Project, donations would be directed there and earmarked for their client.

Between her Twitter behavior and having recently watched "A Murder In the Park" I grow more skeptical of her and wonder if she's got a case of the David Protess syndrome...

Ditto! Nor would someone who is confident their client will be freed with a hefty lawsuit to follow. Are things turning pear shaped?

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[HastingsChi]

From what I understand HastingsChi.... SA is actually Zellner's client, but she has the assistance of the other lawyer with the Innocence Project because she is from out of state. It's not like Zellner is assisting the Innocence Project. Someone could correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't see anything wrong with the funds going to experts or for testing, etc. The way that statement is worded.... they are not using the funds as a fee or to pay themselves. If people want to "help", whatever.... LOL

I did read elsewhere that someone had actually set up a website with the same address as Zellner but with an extra letter in it, so I think it was actually in response to that incident. I don't want to see anyone getting scammed, if they want to and they have the extra money to donate... it should at least go to the right person/cause. IMO

I don't disagree. I believe every defendant should have the ability to solicit contributions to help provide them with the ability to afford then the best defense possible.

I understand the importance of impeding the ability of scammers to raise money under false pretenses.

That being said, my issue is the optics she continues to create; if you're really working with the Midwest Innocence Project then routing donations to them earmarked for Avery is the way to go. Really bad optics for the same lawyer to be claiming pro bono and simultaneously accepting donations. Will the public be provided with a line item accounting of every penny donated and every penny spent? If not, then the ethics appear murky if not outright bad.

As much as I'd admired Zellner from what I've read about her, the more I hear or read directly from her that admiration diminishes.

 

[TheDuchess]

I'm enjoying watching people try to discredit Kathleen Zellner. It's quite interesting, given her track record. But OK.

 

[Chris1982]

I dont get the Zellner criticism myself, working pro bono means the client is not paying and therefore all work within the law firm is being done without pay, this doesn't mean everyone else involved is doing it for free. Regarding the tweets who really cares especially when the prosecution tried the case in the media last time around and zellners tweets are fairly cryptic and aren't poisoning any jury pools.

 

[Sarah]

I've been fairly critical of a lot of Zellner's tweets, but to be fair I don't see much wrong with this last one.

IF people wish to donate to the defense fund (and clearly a lot of people do) then I think it's only right that they have clarity over exactly where that money is going. We've all seen it before in other cases where funds are set up and donations aren't used for exactly what the donors intended so if there's an official donation link, regardless of who's administrating it, I don't really see an issue with it.

BTW I have no axe to grind with Zellner whatsoever.
I'd never heard of her before this case and while I find her social media strategy distasteful, if SA truly is innocent then I welcome any new evidence that she can bring to the table.
It's not that I want SA to be the guilty party, it's just that I've not seen anything to date to convince me otherwise.

 

[dexter75]

Right there with you Duchess, on just about EVERYTHING

I'm enjoying watching people try to discredit Kathleen Zellner. It's quite interesting, given her track record. But OK.

 

[dexter75]

OMG, you got that right!!

Thanks, for sharing your work =)

I also tried to find peer reviewed work... under at least one of the individuals, and found none. Not that it does not exist. However, I am extremely skeptical that they have any published research.

In any event, I wrote this paper regarding detecting deception back in 2007.

Btw, and aside, the CIA has been searching for the ultimate "truth serum" since the 1940s, when it was still the OSS. In fact, MK-Ultra was created, in part, as a result of their search. And we all know how that turned out.

 

[HastingsChi]

I'm enjoying watching people try to discredit Kathleen Zellner. It's quite interesting, given her track record. But OK.

I'm not trying to discredit her. I'm simply highlighting things that raise red flags.

Would you not agree that if a pro bono attorney who is directly accepting donations for a specific client should provide donors with a monthly or quarterly line item accounting of how the donations are being used?

When one focuses solely on track records and gets lax on accountability, the David Protess' of that world act with impunity...

 

[dexter75]

Just read it, Missy, and it is pretty interesting! As are the APPS, one can download, ahem, j/s..lol!!
Where have they been all of my tech savy life?? Haha!! ( NOT, tech savy at ALL, however LOVE my true crime/serial killer /Missing Person Cases, since reading Helter Skelter in 6th Grade..

I haven't read the paper you wrote yet.... but just wanna say..... that's kinda cool LOL

 

[dexter75]

You could email her and ask for something? A statement perhaps?

I'm not trying to discredit her. I'm simply highlighting things that raise red flags.

Would you not agree that if a pro bono attorney who is directly accepting donations for a specific client should provide donors with a monthly or quarterly line item accounting of how the donations are being used?

When one focuses solely on track records and gets lax on accountability, the David Protess' of that world act with impunity...

 

[dexter75]

Not true,

SHE is REPRESENTING her client and ASSUMES FULL RESPONSIBILITY for him. IF indeed his family is trying to scam him ( I have seen the drama, firsthand on a few fb pages ) why not take charge of HER clients situation?? As stated earlier her ENTIRE TEAM isn't working for FREE. I get there will always be nay sayers <modsnip>. The thread is clearly labeled " Zellners Tweets" If some find them so terrible, why bother reading?? Just raises blood pressure, lol.

MOO

Someone truly working pro bono would not accept donations herself, rather if they were really working with the Innocence Project, donations would be directed there and earmarked for their client.

Between her Twitter behavior and having recently watched "A Murder In the Park" I grow more skeptical of her and wonder if she's got a case of the David Protess syndrome...

 

[missy1974]

Here's my thoughts... Kathleen Zellner is a private attorney, she is being assisted by Tricia Bushnell who works with the Midwestern Innocence Project, IMO because she is local. KZ is not assisting the Innocence Project.

As for the donations.... if there are people out there trying to scam others, why shouldn't she clear it up and set the record straight? I think it would be almost irresponsible for her not to clear it up, especially if someone has "spoofed" her site with an added letter and people are being duped into donating on it (I have not seen the website, but read posts elsewhere about it).... again JMO .... I doubt a lawyer in KZ's position would risk misappropriating funds that has been or will be donated, and like dexter said... maybe an email to KZ would clear that up pretty quickly.

I have a feeling that costs for testing/experts will far exceed any donations, but I could be wrong.

I'm Canadian, so I'm not sure of the laws, but wouldn't any kind of fund like this have legal requirements to keep track of donations and how that money is being spent? Almost like a non-profit organization. Maybe one of our really smart accountants could answer that ;-)