TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #8

[Florent B]

Hi There !
I'm currently working on a case involving the disappearance of two 15-year-old girls in Rome in 1983. And, by implication, it is at one point the subject of an (indirect) link with Avon.
As a result, I've been thinking about Renee and her "Sweet Honesty" T-shirt.
The first question, which I've been asking myself for a long time, is that it must not have been cold in Fort Worth around Christmas in 1974 for a young girl to be walking around, dressed only in a T-Shirt, in an open mall.
07ac371e77f5ef7fa6911f4dadddeced--avon-sweets.jpg (Image JPEG, 735 × 492 pixels)
The second thing is more subtle. Does anyone know who would have been the person selling this brand's products around the trio? For example, a reason to go and pick up products ordered for Christmas that day from this person?

 

[Valiant]

Hi There !
I'm currently working on a case involving the disappearance of two 15-year-old girls in Rome in 1983. And, by implication, it is at one point the subject of an (indirect) link with Avon.
As a result, I've been thinking about Renee and her "Sweet Honesty" T-shirt.
The first question, which I've been asking myself for a long time, is that it must not have been cold in Fort Worth around Christmas in 1974 for a young girl to be walking around, dressed only in a T-Shirt, in an open mall.
07ac371e77f5ef7fa6911f4dadddeced--avon-sweets.jpg (Image JPEG, 735 × 492 pixels)
The second thing is more subtle. Does anyone know who would have been the person selling this brand's products around the trio? For example, a reason to go and pick up products ordered for Christmas that day from this person?

Dec 23, 1974 roughly high of 76ºF and a low of 65º.
Avon was sold by many agents from their homes, a mostly part time job for mostly women to earn a little extra money.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Hi There !
I'm currently working on a case involving the disappearance of two 15-year-old girls in Rome in 1983. And, by implication, it is at one point the subject of an (indirect) link with Avon.
As a result, I've been thinking about Renee and her "Sweet Honesty" T-shirt.
The first question, which I've been asking myself for a long time, is that it must not have been cold in Fort Worth around Christmas in 1974 for a young girl to be walking around, dressed only in a T-Shirt, in an open mall.
07ac371e77f5ef7fa6911f4dadddeced--avon-sweets.jpg (Image JPEG, 735 × 492 pixels)
The second thing is more subtle. Does anyone know who would have been the person selling this brand's products around the trio? For example, a reason to go and pick up products ordered for Christmas that day from this person?

Renee had an aunt who sold Avon.

 

[Toniab329]

I seem to recall TTs first wive sent an email (to LE ?) back in 2000 outlining the 'pick up' and seeing Rachel at Minot Ave., in the Oldsmobile at around 12.30pm, I think.

I would love to see a copy of that email.

I have an image of it, I've been looking at the rules but not sure if it's OK to post it? Got it from one of the FB pages.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Dec 23, 1974 roughly high of 76ºF and a low of 65º.

RSBM
So, it would've been rather warm. Doubtful anyone was wearing a coat. There were no articles of clothing found in the car except the jeans in the trunk. Hmmm...

 

[Brightchaser47]

The girls being trafficked is a possibility that's been discussed and debated for years. One reason it gets dismissed is because no one connected to the girls appeared to gain financially from the girls' disappearance. But that's assuming they were sold by a family member. What if someone connected to one of the girls owed someone money (a lot of money), failed to pay up, and the girls were taken that day as "payment"?
Also, there's good reason to believe some family members/individuals weren't completely honest in their statements to police, but it's very possible that members of LE had something to hide as well. jmo

 

[T rex]

The girls being trafficked is a possibility that's been discussed and debated for years. One reason it gets dismissed is because no one connected to the girls appeared to gain financially from the girls' disappearance. But that's assuming they were sold by a family member. What if someone connected to one of the girls owed someone money (a lot of money), failed to pay up, and the girls were taken that day as "payment"?
Also, there's good reason to believe some family members/individuals weren't completely honest in their statements to police, but it's very possible that members of LE had something to hide as well. jmo

I was thinking along theses lines when I made this post.

So if we assume that TT has been honest and we go back to his earliest thoughts on this case what was the whole ransom thing about?
Could TT and/or some of the others have misrepresented him and his finances?
Is it possible that the word ransom could be a substitute for collateral?
Could some of these people have gotten in over there heads with someone and when this someone realized there was no money then ransom/collateral turned to sex trafficking in order to cut some losses?

I don't know, I'm just throwing some stuff out here.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

The girls being trafficked is a possibility that's been discussed and debated for years. One reason it gets dismissed is because no one connected to the girls appeared to gain financially from the girls' disappearance. But that's assuming they were sold by a family member. What if someone connected to one of the girls owed someone money (a lot of money), failed to pay up, and the girls were taken that day as "payment"?
Also, there's good reason to believe some family members/individuals weren't completely honest in their statements to police, but it's very possible that members of LE had something to hide as well. jmo

I think your theory has some merit, but I am going to play devil's advocate here, if I may.

Where does the 'Runaway' Letter fit in with this scenario ? Is it to direct LE to the Mall if the abduction took place somewhere else ? Is the letter really needed in this scenario ?

 

[falkenberg3132]

What would a sex slave trafficker et al want with a nine-year-old? Also, would one of the older girls be um "trained" for men and the other for women?

 

[Brightchaser47]

What would a sex slave trafficker et al want with a nine-year-old?

RSBM
You'd be amazed at what people will pay money to see or do involving children.

Also, would one of the older girls be um "trained" for men and the other for women?

IMO, anything is possible. These aren't pleasant thoughts (and I would love to be mistaken), but I just can't dismiss this theory as a possibility.

 

[falkenberg3132]

Yeah. I only asked cause i don't know - and indeed, I'm glad that disgusting "Agony in Pink" fic got that Usenet group banned all those years ago. That's the second thing John Howard got right as PM (after gun law reform following the Port Arthur massacre)

 

[Brightchaser47]

I think your theory has some merit, but I am going to play devil's advocate here, if I may.

RSBM
By all means.

Where does the 'Runaway' Letter fit in with this scenario ? Is it to direct LE to the Mall if the abduction took place somewhere else ? Is the letter really needed in this scenario ?

I'm not sure where or when the abduction took place, but the focus was on the car that evening/night-- finding it, watching it (at least for one family). Police were not searching anywhere that p.m.; not the mall, not homes, not businesses-- so whoever held the girls were in the clear all that night to do whatever (contact a buyer, move them, etc).
The next morning the letter appears, indicating the girls have left freely, and will return in about a week. Although Det. Wilbanks claims he feels Rachel wrote the letter under duress, nothing more is actively done; again, no searches are made of homes, businesses, etc. The "wait and see" approach is taken. So, again, whoever has the girls is free to hold, sell, transport them, without police interference (IIRC, there were no BOLO or APB alerts for at least a week). In the course of that week, SM, VB, DA all leave town. All just a possibility and opinion.