4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #94

[ilovewings]

My personal opinion of HB is that he is writing this book for money and attention. From what I've read of his on this case so far, which has been very little, it's overreaching and sensationalized. He writes about the feelings of BK during the killings in his new book, ummm no that's unfounded supposition and creepy unless he talked to BK in jail, which we know didn't happen. I also didn't know cars tiptoed in the darkness.

As closely guarded as information has been on this case, he's making more than quite a few fantastical assumptions. Unfortunately, blood and murder sells, and at 80, HB might need one last infusion of cash.

I know it's inevitable that people will write this stuff, but it's painful to so many involved and shows total disregard to the victims, the survivors, the families, and the community to do it before the true facts are known.

All JMO.

Totally agree with everything you said.

 

[ilovewings]

I loathe his writing and find it hard to fathom how anybody can take what he says as factual. Insensitive is a nice way of putting it: I believe his stuff has upset and offended both the Chapins and Goncalves. He needs the cash or wants the cash but either way to me he's just a mercenary not to mention source of mis information for those who take him seriously imoo.

This book disgusts me--- it is just so wrong on so many levels

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It certainly wouldn’t calm me in the slightest to know a fixated murderer slaughtered girls he had targeted in the community. Once done with them, and they are gone, I’d assume he would become fixated on a subsequent attractive coed and go after her. I don’t know why the police said not to worry because it was targeted unless the town had no pretty young girls left standing.

That isn't the interpretation I took or the interpretation I bet they wanted people to take from it. I think they were trying to say it WASN'T just random 3 attractive girls. They were trying to say this was targeted, not because they were attractive coeds but for other reasons, and that no one else is the target. I believe they came to that conclusion because they wrongly assumed it was a domestic violence/jealous boyfriend/drug incident.

That's why I say your interpretation depends on what you believe about the case. One could argue they had a pre-determined conclusion from the first moments of the case which as we all know from following true crime, can be dangerous. They were forced to backtrack for a reason.

MOO.

 

[Tnowlin]

That isn't the interpretation I took or the interpretation I bet they wanted people to take from it. I think they were trying to say this was targeted and no one else is the target and that they came to that conclusion because they wrongly assumed it was a domestic violence/jealous boyfriend/drug incident. I think they were trying to say it WASN'T just random 3 attractive girls.

That's why I say your interpretation depends on what you believe about the case. One could argue they had a pre-determined conclusion from the first moments of the case which as we all know from following true crime, can be dangerous. They were forced to backtrack for a reason.

MOO.

I don’t remember them ever back tracking that statement. I know I haven’t caught everything with the case so I could be incorrect. Did they recant that statement

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I don’t remember them ever back tracking that statement. I know I haven’t caught everything with the case so I could be incorrect. Did they recant that statement

"With no suspect apprehended, Moscow police walk back previous comments that there was no threat to the largely rural city of almost 26,000 residents.

"We do not have a suspect at this time, and that individual is still out there," Moscow Police Chief James Fry says at a news conference. He adds that the more than 25 investigators with the Idaho State Police and the FBI are assisting in the case."

A "very complex" case: The events that led to an arrest in the Idaho student slayings

The quadruple homicide stunned the college community of Moscow, sparking weeks of speculation and thousands of tips before culminating in an arrest.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[10ofRods]

Where was BK when he asked police if anyone else was arrested besides him? I thought it was when BK was arrested that he asked them this, and I thought he was arrested at his parents' house. So if that's true, then why would he have been talking about his dad when he asked if anyone else had been arrested, when he was right there with his dad at their house? Wouldn't he have known if his dad had also been arrested for this crime? I just can't see that he would have had his dad in mind when he asked about anyone else being arrested.

The way the arrest went down matters. LE immediately took the Kohberger parents out of the house, according to their SWAT plan. They put them into the back of a squad car to keep them out of harm's way ( no one knew if Kohberger was going to try death by cop and put others in danger ).

So, BK would have seen his parents abruptly "escorted" (hustled) out of the house by armed and uniformed SWAT team members. It's reasonable to draw the conclusion that perhaps Dad had been arrested as an accomplice. At least, it's reasonable if you're an overthinking, panicked would-be criminologist who has a beef with LE at that point in time.

His dad was in fact in a kind of detention/protective custody (along with his mom), outside, in a squad car.

IIRC, IMO. It's in the media thread somewhere.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Who is Howard Blum and why is writing a book about a murder where the defendant hasn't even gone to trial yet. Ridiculous

The publisher, Blackstone, paying him to write, no doubt publisher, agent brokering the movie deal, audio book, podcast and everyone talking their cut.
Who says crime doesn’t pay?

 

[schooling]

The way the arrest went down matters. LE immediately took the Kohberger parents out of the house, according to their SWAT plan. They put them into the back of a squad car to keep them out of harm's way ( no one knew if Kohberger was going to try death by cop and put others in danger ).

So, BK would have seen his parents abruptly "escorted" (hustled) out of the house by armed and uniformed SWAT team members. It's reasonable to draw the conclusion that perhaps Dad had been arrested as an accomplice. At least, it's reasonable if you're an overthinking, panicked would-be criminologist who has a beef with LE at that point in time.

His dad was in fact in a kind of detention/protective custody (along with his mom), outside, in a squad car.

IIRC, IMO. It's in the media thread somewhere.

Nice!

This is the first time I’m seeing this interpretation and it makes total sense. Much more sense than 1) BK was trying to throw police off and/or 2) Theres actually someone else (an accomplice) who needs to be arrested (lol).

 

[Balthazar]

I don’t remember them ever back tracking that statement. I know I haven’t caught everything with the case so I could be incorrect. Did they recant that statement

LE did recant about not knowing who and where the suspect was and that the public might still be in danger on Nov. 17, 2022 and the UofI parents immediately picked up their students, sent them airline tickets to come home or demanded they drive home immediately.

Idaho police cannot assure the community is safe after the fatal stabbing of 4 college students and a killer still at large

Police in Moscow, Idaho, are asking the public to stay vigilant after providing new details about a quadruple homicide near the University of Idaho campus, including that two roommates were

www.wlfi.com

35 - 40% of students did not return after Thanksgiving break. UofI had not choice but to immediately allow students to complete the semester via the internet.

University of Idaho students won’t have to return to campus until 2023 after murders

Faculty were asked to prepare in-person and remote learning options for the final two weeks of the semester

www.the-independent.com

They did not backtrack that the house was targeted, however.

 

[gremlin444]

I need to try to find the article I read that detailed factual mistakes found in Blum's Airmail articles on the murders--things that were checked against the PCA and court documents. I know it has also been discussed in these threads.

I noticed that on a lot of the publicity for the upcoming book, including the publisher (HarperCollins), this is included (BBM): "The definitive, inside story of the Idaho murders from bestselling author Howard Blum, whose groundbreaking coverage of the story was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize." In his bio on several sites, it also mentions that when he worked for the NYT he was nominated twice for the Pulitzer for investigative journalism. https://www.harpercollins.com/produ...es-falling-howard-blum?variant=41292317949986

But here's the problem I have with using being "nominated" as a brag point: "Any person may submit material to the Pulitzer Prize competition, including editors, journalists or members of the public." Heck, you can enter your own work. All you have to do is meet the guidelines, pay $75, and fill out a form. https://www.pulitzer.org/page/2024-journalism-submission-guidelines-requirements-and-faqs

But wait, maybe he's a "nominated finalist" you say--nope. You can search on the Pulitzer Prize website. They publish the winner and the nominated finalists for each category. He is not a nominated finalist for either this series or his work for the NYT. He was entered or entered himself for consideration. And that's as far as it goes. The Pulitzer Prize website even calls this out as being an ongoing problem (BBM):

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www.pulitzer.org

"Work that has been submitted for Prize consideration but not chosen as either a nominated finalist or a winner is termed an entry or submission. No information on entrants is provided. Since 1980, when we began to announce nominated finalists, we have used the term "nominee" for entrants who became finalists. We discourage someone saying he or she was "nominated" for a Pulitzer simply because an entry was sent to us."

And this is what he is using as a credential in this case to give legitimacy to the book. Remember that as all the TV/print/podcast interviews with him start coming out this week.

Is it possible he has some small amount of insider information from talking to people before the gag order? Sure. But the rest of his info.....needs fact checking.

 

[Cool Cats]

I need to try to find the article I read that detailed factual mistakes found in Blum's Airmail articles on the murders--things that were checked against the PCA and court documents. I know it has also been discussed in these threads.

I noticed that on a lot of the publicity for the upcoming book, including the publisher (HarperCollins), this is included (BBM): "The definitive, inside story of the Idaho murders from bestselling author Howard Blum, whose groundbreaking coverage of the story was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize." In his bio on several sites, it also mentions that when he worked for the NYT he was nominated twice for the Pulitzer for investigative journalism. https://www.harpercollins.com/produ...es-falling-howard-blum?variant=41292317949986

But here's the problem I have with using being "nominated" as a brag point: "Any person may submit material to the Pulitzer Prize competition, including editors, journalists or members of the public." Heck, you can enter your own work. All you have to do is meet the guidelines, pay $75, and fill out a form. https://www.pulitzer.org/page/2024-journalism-submission-guidelines-requirements-and-faqs

But wait, maybe he's a "nominated finalist" you say--nope. You can search on the Pulitzer Prize website. They publish the winner and the nominated finalists for each category. He is not a nominated finalist for either this series or his work for the NYT. He was entered or entered himself for consideration. And that's as far as it goes. The Pulitzer Prize website even calls this out as being an ongoing problem (BBM):

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www.pulitzer.org

"Work that has been submitted for Prize consideration but not chosen as either a nominated finalist or a winner is termed an entry or submission. No information on entrants is provided. Since 1980, when we began to announce nominated finalists, we have used the term "nominee" for entrants who became finalists. We discourage someone saying he or she was "nominated" for a Pulitzer simply because an entry was sent to us."

And this is what he is using as a credential in this case to give legitimacy to the book. Remember that as all the TV/print/podcast interviews with him start coming out this week.

Is it possible he has some small amount of insider information from talking to people before the gag order? Sure. But the rest of his info.....needs fact checking.

I will get my facts from trial

 

[ChasingKaty]

On Blum's own website, the book is being touted as a modern "In Cold Blood", which is probably going to be apt, but not in the way he intends.

Capote's book has come under criticism since it was published decades ago for its stretching of truths, ignoring of others and straight up forsaking the victims for the want of a great story.

Here's a link that encapsulates some of the issues with it.

 

[Balthazar]

On Blum's own website, the book is being touted as a modern "In Cold Blood", which is probably going to be apt, but not in the way he intends.

Capote's book has come under criticism since it was published decades ago for its stretching of truths, ignoring of others and straight up forsaking the victims for the want of a great story.

Here's a link that encapsulates some of the issues with it.

Thanks for the link to the interesting article.

 

[MassGuy]

Interesting theory of the murders here:

HOWARD BLUM's new theory on Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger

I have been able to interview many individuals with direct knowledge of the murders. Now, I finally believe I know what happened... and why.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[al66pine]

Interesting theory of the murders here:

HOWARD BLUM's new theory on Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger

I have been able to interview many individuals with direct knowledge of the murders. Now, I finally believe I know what happened... and why.

www.dailymail.co.uk

@MassGuy Thanks for the link.

From story.
"DM - who also slept on the second floor - told police he heard her cry out:
'There's someone here!' "

D. HE heard??

 

[ilovewings]

@MassGuy Thanks for the link.

From story.
"DM - who also slept on the second floor - told police he heard her cry out:
'There's someone here!' "

D. HE heard??

I caught that too!!!

 

[Balthazar]

@MassGuy Thanks for the link.

From story.
"DM - who also slept on the second floor - told police he heard her cry out:
'There's someone here!' "

D. HE heard??

Also from the same story from Howard Blum:

"A medical examiner revealed to me that a single arcing blow sliced through Chapin's neck, catching the jugular. He fell in the second-floor stairwell doorway."

Now I'm wondering if he crawled back to XK's room or was he found there just outside of DM's bedroom door?

 

[10ofRods]

Interesting theory of the murders here:

HOWARD BLUM's new theory on Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger

I have been able to interview many individuals with direct knowledge of the murders. Now, I finally believe I know what happened... and why.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He has a "hunting knife" in the story as if that's a fact. The only clue we have to the knife's type is that there was a Ka-Bar (military style, personal defense/offense) knife sheath at the scene. Interesting how Blum wants to spin it to broaden the category of person who might carry such a knife in Idaho.

It is interesting to contemplate whether there were "howling banshees" in BK's head, though. Not sure what Blum's mental health credentials are, but it is definitely a popular trope.

The article seems to have the foregone conclusion that BK is guilty, which is the most interesting thing about it. I guess that's Blum's position too. And like me, Blum does want to put forth a theory of the "why" that goes to the perp's brain/mind issues. The only things we know about BK's mental health come from the TapATalk posts, from hypotheses based on his VSS diagnosis, and from the fact that he had an eating disorder (which is a form of compulsive disorder) and an opiate addiction. There are a few other clues, but basically that's it.

Blum also seems to be unaware that Xana was still awake to accept a DD order at around 4 am, just before BK entered the house. No evidence that she was asleep, actually (and she's the one with the defensive wounds we've heard about - she's found on the floor of her room, near the door, not in bed).

IMO.

 

[Balthazar]

If a person's jugular vein is cut, they will die in a matter of 5-15 seconds.

If EC was attacked at the doorway between the living room and landing for the staircase to the 3rd level, and fell on the floor there, would he have enough time to crawl to XK's bedroom?

 

[Chloegirl]

@MassGuy Thanks for the link.

From story.
"DM- who also slept on the second floor - told police he heard her cry out:
'There's someone here!' "

DM. HE heard??

Could just have thought that D is a male name, some older folks make assumptions like that. JMOO could also be a journalist typo.