Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

[tlcya]

Why do you think they waited?

not the OP but - human error is my guess.

 

[sunshineray]

Wala cannot testify to it for obvious reasons but I do wonder if some of their chats involved RA confessing to her or elaborating upon confessions he made to others and whether any details divulged aligned with the facts of the case.

I believe she can testify to what she heard, there's a statute of law that allows her to do that? Hasn't this been discussed here in detail?

 

[tlcya]

I believe she can testify to what she heard, there's a statute of law that allows her to do that? Hasn't this been discussed here in detail?

I have no idea if that is true or not. I was not present for those discussions.

There was a time period of several months that I bowed out of participating in this thread as the endless debate of whether Gull should recuse herself or be removed from the case raged on.

I have no wish to research the topic but assumed because of patient confidentiality she couldn't disclose the exact nature of their conversations unless someone was in imminent danger based on the content thereof.

That is my assumption only.

 

[sunshineray]

I have no idea if that is true or not. I was not present for those discussions.

There was a time period of several months that I bowed out of participating in this thread as the endless debate of whether Gull should recuse herself or be removed from the case raged on.

I have no wish to research the topic but assumed because of patient confidentiality she couldn't disclose the exact nature of their conversations unless someone was in imminent danger based on the content thereof.

That is my assumption only.

"The filing cites a law with a specific exception to that rule: “A psychologist licensed under this article may not disclose any information acquired from persons with whom the psychologist has dealt in a professional capacity, except under the following circumstances: Trials for homicide when the disclosure relates directly to the fact or immediate circumstances of said homicide.”

Prosecution in Delphi murders case asks to admit statements made to psychologist

Richard Allen was arrested in 2022 for the February 2017 murders of 13-year-old Abigail Williams and 14-year-old Liberty German.

wishtv.com

State's motion was granted for her records of RA.

Order Issued

State of Indiana's Motion for Leave of Court to Subpoena Third-Party Records (mental health records) filed March 14, 2024 granted without hearing. State of Indiana's Motion for Leave of Court to Subpoena Third-Party Records (medical records) filed March 14, 2024, granted without hearing.

Judicial Officer:
Gull, Frances -SJ

Order Signed:
04/02/2024

 

[tlcya]

"The filing cites a law with a specific exception to that rule: “A psychologist licensed under this article may not disclose any information acquired from persons with whom the psychologist has dealt in a professional capacity, except under the following circumstances: Trials for homicide when the disclosure relates directly to the fact or immediate circumstances of said homicide.”

Prosecution in Delphi murders case asks to admit statements made to psychologist

Richard Allen was arrested in 2022 for the February 2017 murders of 13-year-old Abigail Williams and 14-year-old Liberty German.

wishtv.com

State's motion was granted for her records of RA.

Order Issued

State of Indiana's Motion for Leave of Court to Subpoena Third-Party Records (mental health records) filed March 14, 2024 granted without hearing. State of Indiana's Motion for Leave of Court to Subpoena Third-Party Records (medical records) filed March 14, 2024, granted without hearing.

Judicial Officer:
Gull, Frances -SJ

Order Signed:
04/02/2024

interesting, thank you for that. So we may yet know exactly what RA has had to say to Wala about the crime.

 

[photographer4]

Hopefully in a few months this will be all over and the Germans and Williams will be able to move on to the next stage of their lives without this evil man lurking over their shoulder.

I'm afraid that even if RA is convicted, they'll never really get on with their lives. There is a huge part of their lives missing. HUGE. Irreplaceable! No way they'll ever just move on imo. Besides which, I imagine RA is going to have an appeals process yet to come...

 

[Salah11]

I'm afraid that even if RA is convicted, they'll never really get on with their lives. There is a huge part of their lives missing. HUGE. Irreplaceable! No way they'll ever just move on imo. Besides which, I imagine RA is going to have an appeals process yet to come...

Yes but having the man responsible for their deaths guilty and locked away will lift a heavy burden.

It’s a process and this would be the next phase.
IMO

 

[photographer4]

<modsnip: Quoted post was modsnipped>
Some antidepressants can actually make one suicidal. They can do all sorts of horrible things to people....

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/drugs-and-treatments/antidepressants/side-effects-of-antidepressants/

 

[Vern]

Why do you think they waited?

I don't think they "waited" at all (it is the Defence side alledging cover ups & collusion since the murders in 2017 to frame up RA). I'm saying, in what world does it make sense for the State to plant evidence at the scene in 2017 (RA's bullet ... and his own statement) and then collude and conspire for years to arrest RA for the crime. It simply does not. They'd have arrested him years ago ...

I think that as soon as LE was able to find that self-tip-in from RA to the Conservation Officer right after the murders, the details on time, place and dress he provided matched up with video and witness statements. Then they pull him in for an interview, he and KA confirm he has guns and knives at home AND his story now suspiciously changed (timings) to place him away from the bridge at the time he previously stated he was there and as witnessed. That's probable cause.

 

[photographer4]

Yes but having the man responsible for their deaths guilty and locked away will lift a heavy burden.

It’s a process and this would be the next phase.
IMO

I do not belief it will lift any real burden for them. Especially if he appeals. Or if they eventually find out wrong man convicted for it. It may all just serve to keep everything at the forefront of their already heavy hearts and may make it harder to deal with. Hard to know. I'm not them. No links as all just my opinions...

 

[TTF14]

Yes but having the man responsible for their deaths guilty and locked away will lift a heavy burden.

It’s a process and this would be the next phase.
IMO

Until more are arrested and the cycle starts all over again.

As this is my opinion (that more are involved), I have no link.

MOOOOOO

 

[Salah11]

I do not belief it will lift any real burden for them. Especially if he appeals. Or if they eventually find out wrong man convicted for it. It may all just serve to keep everything at the forefront of their already heavy hearts and may make it harder to deal with. Hard to know. I'm not them. No links as all just my opinions...

He is quite clearly the guilty man. He was dressed like the killer and on the bridge moments before the girls crossed.

I am positive he will be found guilty in October if the Defense don’t play more games and get it delayed again.

IMO

 

[Salah11]

Until more are arrested and the cycle starts all over again.

As this is my opinion (that more are involved), I have no link.

MOOOOOO

I don’t believe anybody else will be arrested as he has made loads of confessions and it doesn’t seem like he has blamed anybody else. He seems to take sole responsibility for his actions as far as im aware.

IMO

 

[photographer4]

He is quite clearly the guilty man. He was dressed like the killer and on the bridge moments before the girls crossed.

I am positive he will be found guilty in October if the Defense don’t play more games and get it delayed again.

IMO

Isn't there a status hearing upcoming?

 

[steeltowngirl]

I do think he will be convicted. I just hope he’s the right guy.

I don’t know if he will be convicted.
I do think he’s the right guy.
Defense is trying their darndest to move that timeline.
Don’t think it will work.

They can’t get RA off that bridge.

Credit to whoever said that here first.
I think we will hear that very line from prosecution at trial.

jmo

 

[TTF14]

He is quite clearly the guilty man. He was dressed like the killer and on the bridge moments before the girls crossed.

I am positive he will be found guilty in October if the Defense don’t play more games and get it delayed again.

IMO

Trials get delayed all the time for legitimate reasons. In this case, I would not be at all surprised if there's another delay due to late discovery of additional digital evidence (all my opinion). And, if there's late digital evidence the defense hasn't had a chance to analyze (or even the State for that matter), there should be a delay. That's not game playing. Wanting to be fully prepared to defend (or prosecute) isn't any kind of game.

IMO MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Isn't there a status hearing upcoming?

This Friday, 8/23

Delphi murders: Next court date for Richard Allen set

The next hearing in the double murder trial of the man accused of killing two Delphi teenagers has been set for Friday August 23, 2024.

www.wishtv.com

edit: corrected date

 

[katydid23]

And six months after he said that, he said this:


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Todd Click may have not thought it was a ritual sacrifice, but that does not mean he doesn't think they were involved in the murders. IMO, he still does think that.

Link to the entire transcript can be found in this article: READ: 3/18 Delphi Hearing Transcript, Police Officer Testifies to Other Potential Suspects

From the article, dated April 1, 2024, more than 6 months after the CourtTV piece: "... he felt the case against Richard Allen was weak. Click testified that there were other men with potential religious ties that presented stronger suspects, and he reached out to Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland about that."

IMO MOO

So if it wasn't a 'ritual sacrifice' by these Odinists, then how were they involved in the murders? What was their connection and motive? And what was this F on the tree, and these runes made by branches and these antlers?

How do all of those things, set forth enthusiastically by the defense fit in, if it was not an Odinist Ritual Sacrifice?:

The main witness set forth by the defense was Perlmutter, who testified that it was a textbook ritual sacrifice. So if Click says it was NOT a ritual sacrifice, then what was it?

 

[katydid23]

This Friday, 10/23

Delphi murders: Next court date for Richard Allen set

The next hearing in the double murder trial of the man accused of killing two Delphi teenagers has been set for Friday August 23, 2024.

www.wishtv.com

you mean 08/23? 10/23 is my birthday and that's not for 2 months..

 

[steeltowngirl]

you mean 08/23? 10/23 is my birthday and that's not for 2 months..

Oops, yes let me fix and thank you!