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What does VR mean? I tried searching the thread for it using the Search Thread tool, but it won't look because of lack of info or some such thing. Thx

Correct, they did not die. In Someone Cry For The Children, how the women were left was described. Going on memory here - they were tied around the neck and the other end of the cord was around their ankles and if they moved their legs, the rope around their necks tightened. Thus, they were left...

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How was the suitcase standing upright if an adult was to use it to boost himself through the window? The suitcase would have been on its side if it was used as a step. Amirite?

what assumption? and if there is an unfounded assumption about dying slowly (the town did unite behind him if you know anything about the case), then pfffft, that does not lesson for one second his crimes

and he left those two women to die slowly and the citizens of that area united behind him. Absolutely despicable.

Why do you think he was found not guilty? Are you aware of his status as a "hero" in that area?

I just started reading Fatal Vision. My initial impression of macdonald is that he is "off." He literally spends so much time describing his sex life, to a reporter who was writing a book about the murder case, that the descriptions take up pages upon pages. wth?

Sorry about the pic being sideways. It is upright on my computer and I don't know how to fix it.

The path to find the killer by way of genetic testing was so interesting, I attempted to trace it out.

The pen used to write the ransom note was found, but I don't recall ever learning about whether or not the red pen/marker/etc was found that made the mark (heart?) on her hand? I think if it had been found, I would have read about it and the lack of finger prints on it.

Yes, attacking people's responses without offering counter evidence is perfectly fine. It is called skepticism and is completely valid and appropriate. This CBS special upset me because it seemed there were no skeptics among the specialists. Granted the show had to be edited and they may have...

I hope this works. Here is a google earth image of Wyncote, Ardmore and a Presbytarian Church all on the same map and close to each other. Maybe a search of those wooded areas might be in order. Not sure how I can get an interactive Google Earth link/image on the forums.

Oh, and a guy by the name of Jim Tracy is working on a book about this case. The working title is Twisted Truth. It is mentioned in the podcast. Another book has already been published Terror in the Adirondacks, but it is very pricey.

The podcast Radiolab just covered this case. It doesn't go into the crimes that much, but the problems that garrow's attorneys were presented with and it is quite interesting. By the way, these Radiolab podcasts are very good. http://www.radiolab.org/story/the_buried_bodies_case/

Since you have narrowed down the guilty parties, maybe you should write something up and get published?

JBR is on the cover of In Touch magazine this week, so I bought a copy. In it, a detective by the name of Ollie Gray is claiming that Helgoth is on tape as admitting to the killing. The confession was recently brought to Gray's attention and one of Helgoth's former employee's, named John Kenady...

Also, I don't recall reading anyone disputing the newspaper found in the flashlight and on/around this heart misanthrope. IIRC, that is pretty damning evidence if true.

I read one thread entry about the hair sample match. No one disputes it? Anyone else feel the desire to watch Thunderheart after watching the SCFTC documentary?

I also read that she wrote out $118,000 in words, not the numbers.