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For safety/law enforcement purposes (in my example of an active civil suit) we've still sent a response to emergency calls such as this-- regardless of pending litigation. You have to. But for pete's sake when your department then hands it over STAY OUT! I cannot believe they were not only GOING...

The only thing I can think of WORSE than Brendan and Steven being innocent and falsely imprisoned is: Brendan & Steve being innocent, LENK & Colburn ALSO being completely innocent of corruption and the real killer laughing about it somewhere. Again, we see what we want to see: but I poured over...

I would have stuck around out of pure nosiness. They could have asked her to hang around for a formal deposition. Not saying they GOT to it that night, but if nobody was booting my butt out I would have been dumbstruck and in shock and lurked around as well. But that's just me :)

There's a pic of it in the garage bay there somewhere (crime lab). In a totally different county

Excerpt from "DEFENDANT'S STATEMENT ON PLANTED BLOOD" http://www.stevenaverycase.org/keydocuments/ 1/12/2007 26 pages DEFENDANT'S STATEMENT ON PLANTED BLOOD “Avery has announced from the beginning of this case, or before, that he was being framed. It is his core defense' The Manitowoc...

I was TOTALLY presuming that, but does make you wonder if Calumet guys didn't initiate it to CYA (their). I mean, the car is found and everything blew up. It goes down quickly, getting organized takes time. Not sure who had the "incident command" position on scene at the salvage yard? But maybe...

Did I read something from KZ's camp that the FBI testing that was done (resurrected for the trial and questionable) is now something they can re-test properly now?

I'm going to ask that you (we) refer to them as Thing 1 & Thing 2 from this point on, mostly because it amuses me lol... I simply don't think Thing 1 & Thing 2 could pull off this entire thing and set the entire "framing" up all by themselves. NOT EVEN WITH the help of Mr. Creepy McCreeperson...

Let's not jump all over my comments and re-organize them K? IN CONTEXT You said: "My main beef with the pro-guilt people is that the fact that MCSO had anything to do with that investigation. In all my reading and researching I have been doing I have yet to see ONE person give a legitimate...

Thank you! Alas, the reason he regrets the press conference. NOT because of the grief and mental anguish he caused her parents. Case Closed 08-Feb-2016 00:40 Investigating Officer: Missy1974

Perhaps none of the pro-guilt people: A HAVE a legitimate reason, because there is none B. Don't need bullet OR key-chain to convict him. The mountain is big enough without Cop#1 & Cop#2 input C. Don't need to throw baby out with the bath water because of two potentially smelly turds in the...

I will dig around later and see if I can figure out some dates. In the interest of her family ALONE he should have delayed that press conference -or at least skipped the B-movie dramatics and gory "LOOK HOW AWESOME I AMMMM!!" details. I wouldn't be surprised if ZERO time elapsed between the...

Yikes! That stinks about your family.. Was only saying that I don't feel like I have to actively do anything but watch. I believe he's guilty. He's behind bars. Vested interest is correct, but what can we do to stop this train? I guess a benefit that I hadn't thought of much of--- if he's...

Well for starters it's good police work. I can see the major focus being on him if it was a slam dunk day one-- with NO VIABLE suspects at all elsewhere. But you dot your i's and cross your t's regardless. In this case the other customer she saw that day was strangely irate w them and denied...

"Kratz.... he is a pig and to think that his behaviour doesn't have anything to do with this case.... go back and listen to that news conference, if you can stomach it, because I can't. Anyone that comes up with that narrative with absolutely NO PROOF of such happening, is sick IMO (I...

I was just thinking something along these lines.... in GENERAL. We think he's guilty. Some think he's innocent. We can sit back and let KZ do the work for us because we have the verdict we want. You cannot, because the burden has fallen on his supporters. Accused has burden to prove innocence...

I think you make valid points. I just think that BECAUSE you come from a different perspective it's harder for you to overlook stuff or let go of stuff that us "he's guilty!" ppl can easily let go of or think is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out now. So we toss it into a mental "who knows?" file and move...

Great points! Completely take away the "key in the bedroom" evidence, the nephew & his confession(s) & the bullets in garage--- ask yourself would I have been able to let him walk? Not here..............

Read on another thread that a good cadaver dog can pick up on decomp from ASHES!! ?/ Hwaaatttttttttttttt??

Ooooo a thread for us prosecutorial cynics! Ok-- I came to Websleuths after the M of Murdr'r explosion. Infuriated and STILL 100% convinced of Steven's guilt (riding dirty since the original verdict). I needed my people. My RATIONAL ppl on here-- that would ALL most likely agree with me that the...