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  1. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    This is excellent information and, I think, a great help to anyone. Thank you for it. Also, thank you to those that private messaged me with help regarding the forum, I attempted to send responses but it appears they did not send. I appreciate your assistance very much.
  2. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    JMO Okay so the post about the well quoted neighbor and her court appearance the same day as IF's for the DUI she received May 9th that included pastes from the sheriffs log and court calendar was removed. I thought it was an interesting coincidence. Not picking on her, it was public knowledge...
  3. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    I thought we heard some from his side, which is what prompted most of the questions and answers via Dinaslala and some of the members.
  4. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    JMO I am sorry, too. The courts just don't work well for everyone and so often serve injustice. Even if someone has some successes in the system, it does not mean that they will not suffer the consequences and repercussions from the adversary. It might actually be easier for P to see...
  5. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Not everyone shares your can do attitude or altitude, especially not women in abuse situations who have been continually kicked when down and physically and mentally controlled and constrained, getting to a point so low they don't even think their self is worth helping, not to mention the factor...
  6. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    "As a matter of fact he still refuses to let her visit him (I) in the detention center. And before everyone goes off about the legality of it, yes, he can do this.. We looked into it with an atty and if I could raise the money and retain her services, I would in a heartbeat. No she does'nt...
  7. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    From today's hearing:CALAVERAS COUNTY— IF’s attorneys have entered a denial of allegation plea for the 12-year-old accused of murdering his 8-year-old sister, Leila, Wednesday afternoon. The boy will be back in court in July for trial. His attorneys noted that they have over 1,000...
  8. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Thanks, my searching efforts lack; out of that frustration I am thankful to have been able to obtain information from this site since the beginning of the LF tragedy.
  9. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Whatever CW's actual wishes or how they were worded has been digested first through LE ( ever read a police report & some of these LE people are not all that smart or mature, even with adequate experience) and media, and then take under consideration her state of mind at the moment...grief...
  10. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    The article is from today and I don't see any other press anywhere about this "announcement". Was it a private announcement made to the "wild-emotional- roller-coaster-ride" young Calaveras Enterprise reporter sensation? Was it announced via remote legal venue? Anybody know?
  11. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Had my bandwidth restricted looking for it but did find this and many others that were misleading. "called his parents to tell them his sister was on the floor and not responding" Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/349027#ixzz2UfJVCKG5 Hope we hear some evidence soon. If...
  12. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    I am looking for a link to that. The report was very likely inaccurate, just as we have reports of chased, followed, encountered and so on.
  13. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    It was reported somewhere that, during the call IF made to his father, his parents told him to go check on LF, after doing this IF told them that she was not moving. I probably linked to that from these threads.
  14. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    I don't know what you, personally, are supposed to believe or why. JMO The F family has received more than enough criticism for everything they have done and not done. I can't blame them for attempting to stay private. In one months time their daughter was murdered, their son was arrested...
  15. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    JMO How does anyone know what the family is or is not doing? The same way one offers up a convoluted timeline completely changed from the one that LE gave the press; one that misleads people on this thread into thinking that IF did not call his father first? Maybe an empathetic person could...
  16. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    JMO Probably last longer than one day. http://www.scscourt.org/self_help/juvenile/jjustice/process.shtml
  17. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    If it doesn't, type in what's missing, then click 'save.' Sometimes one or both of those beginnings/endings gets mysteriously lopped off during the posting process. [/COLOR][/COLOR] Thanks, the feature has not been working. I am new to WS, very low tech and this adds to my confusion. I...
  18. Octopus' Garden

    GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #4

    Is anyone on the thread planning on trying to attend the trial?

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