17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #10

[m00c0w]

It means you agree to give them up voluntarily while on duty if you choose to do that.........no one can force you to join so ur not loosin' nuttin. :what:

But when is "on duty"? You're always watching...

 

[HiHater]

But that's exactly what people are implying here. Because Zimmerman was part of NWP, he should not have had his gun on him. That's what all of the "rules" say, too. If NWP is just watching and observing as an ordinary citizen, does that mean you're relinquishing your 2A rights if you join/affiliate yourself with such a program?

George Zimmerman was doing wayyyyy more than watching and observing, so in his case he should have balanced his 2nd Amendment rights with the safety of the public. He could have killed a person who was completely uninvolved.

Anyway, GZ may not be the best person to use to make your argument.

JMO

 

[csziggy]

I'm wondering if there is a time stamp on that? I'm not taking anybody's word for anything until I see the time line drawn out. Thanks for the link CC

Time stamps on the video clips direct from the City of Sanford - http://youtu.be/9WWDNbQUgm4 - are 19h52 min to about 19h56mins.

Since the police arrived on scene at 7:17 PM ET, Zimmerman's arrival at the police department would be 35 minutes later.

 

[iluvmua]

When you join a NWP, you don't do anything but watch, listen, and report. You use your ears and eyes. In no situation should you be coming into contact with an actual criminal, so your question is not really a valid one. You can go to sleep and wake up with your 2nd amendment right, nothing would stop you. Your question implies that being in the NWP requires anything other than watching and listening and reporting. Don't forget, patrolling is not part of the program.

GZ was not on patrol that night. and If the law in florida is the same in texas, he could carry his gun with him since he was not on duty that night.

 

[flourish]

No one was allowed to bring a gun, a knife, or anything into the club I worked at? Well, the customers weren't allowed to.

Yeah, like you said earlier, I'm not allowed to take a gun to school with me (teacher) so maybe there's some case law that could be found about that? Perhaps that would answer one's questions about weapons and workplaces? Perhaps those answers could be somewhat generalized into possible scenarios for rules for volunteers? Maybe there are even laws about this already?

 

[Velouria]

IIRC, they said that reporters would be arrested for 'stalking' if they followed the city employees around during working hours. Apparently, it's 'stalking' to follow people around. See, that's the iorny. :waitasec:

Those reporters must have asserted the "Stand Your Ground" defense.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

There are rules in everything. There was obviously rules in place with the Neighborhood Watch Program. We all know he says he wasn't "on duty" that night, but really? He was on duty 24/7 and we all know it.

Just think about the lawyer fees alone.

 

[tehcloser]

But when is "on duty"? You're always watching...

You can sleep with it, how's that?

 

[m00c0w]

George Zimmerman was doing wayyyyy more than watching and observing, so in his case he should have balanced his 2nd Amendment rights with the safety of the public. He could have killed a person who was completely uninvolved.

Anyway, GZ may not be the best person to use to make your argument.

JMO

Up until that night, I'm not sure he ever really did more than observe and report. He may have observed a lot and reported a lot, but he was doing what you're supposed to do.

 

[m00c0w]

You can sleep with it, how's that?

So do you not have a legitimate response?

 

[csziggy]

Are 17-year-olds legally allowed to carry mace or pepper spray? I'm thinking about buying my niece some? Just spray and run!

In Florida, those would probably be considered a threat worthy of deadly force in response! JMO, of course. :maddening:

 

[flourish]

I'm just wondering if I would get criticized for breaking the NWP rules if I was active in an NW program, but had to legitimately discharge my weapon in self defense in my own neighborhood. Like, if I just wanted to go out for a walk, would I be able to carry it?

That sounds like a question for your lawyer

ETA: criticized....you can always get criticized for anything...legal ramifications? I don't know...if you look it up and find out, please share

 

[Tulessa]

Because he has a permit to carry it, so he can carry it.

Not while on watch duty...

 

[SuziQ]

Well mr Hornsby tried to enlighten us on some issues but was not well received.

IMO, Richard was received here just fine. Many of us didn't agree with him and debated with him. Richard is an attorney. I think he has thick enough skin to handle us. lol.

 

[m00c0w]

No one was allowed to bring a gun, a knife, or anything into the club I worked at? Well, the customers weren't allowed to.

I think comparing a club you can enter and leave as you please is apples-to-oranges when talking about the neighborhood in which you live.

 

[tehcloser]

So do you not have a legitimate response?

You don't have to join. If you do you BY CHOICE agree to follow the rules. It's really pretty simple.

 

[Velouria]

So do you not have a legitimate response?

teh's response may not have been all that serious, but it made me :silly:

 

[LolaMoon08]

But I thought good Floridians always waited for the rain to stop before going outside? :waitasec:

Team George needs to rehearse more before taking it to the media, IMO.

What?? I dance in the rain!! If it's not lightening! I love rain!

 

[LambChop]

So you're saying that he does have to relinquish his rights as a resident and ordinary citizen?

The problem was never the gun. The problem was that he did not listen, did not follow the rules he agreed to abide by but took matters into his own hands. The gun was never a problem until GZ broke the rules he was sworn to abide by. He agreed to participate in the program but broke the rules. If he wants to wear his gun in the shower no one was trying to stop him. If he wanted to stuff the gun in his pants he was entitled to. Stepping out of that car, following someone who was doing nothing wrong (regardless of whatever he thought) was wrong on his part. GZ called 911, he reported what he observed, his job was to wait for LE and then he was done. GZ made the decision to step outside of his vehicle and pursue TM and not wait for LE. No one asked him to do that and at that very moment no one's life was in danger. It was the moment he stepped out of the vehicle and went to find TM. jmo

 

[iluvmua]

That's fine as long as he is following the rules which are watch and report. Not going to get into much trouble there as long as you do not pursue which is against the NWP rules/guidelines. jmo

GZ was Not on patrol that night and he was on his own time.

your acting like he has no rights whatsoever as a citizen.

So I guess he has to be on watch 24/7 and he can't use his gun at ANY time because "it's not the rules" of the NWP.