Didn't GZ have flashlights with him too? Were they maglight hard or tactical? Could leave a nasty abrasion. Wonder if they were confiscated?
I believe that I read somewhere that they were tactical, but I don't know if they were confiscated.
Didn't GZ have flashlights with him too? Were they maglight hard or tactical? Could leave a nasty abrasion. Wonder if they were confiscated?
Nothing, of course. I was talking about likelihoods/probability.
While it's possible that you're being followed by a nutjob, it's more likely to be what I said - someone just suspicious of someone who is unfamiliar.
Besides, even if it is a nutjob, that doesn't justify breaking his nose and beating him.
He doesn't have to. When THs say "he has to" they mean if defense wants to win SYG hearing they should put GZ on the stand. But there is no law that says GZ has to testify as far as I can tell.
StorieS
Frankly, I wouldn't believe GZ if his tongue came notarized.
Boohoo, poor city of Sanford. It's hard to decide which one to feel more sorry for, Zimmerman or Sanford.
Sanford police dispute criticism over Trayvon Martins death...
We are not that monster that they are showing on TV, in the newspaper, OConnor said. That it's not true, in spite of what some people would say, it's not true.
He said they have been financially and emotionally stretched.
OConnor said they have maxed out overtime after having to add extra patrols for rallies and other events that have taken place. He said officers have been working six or seven days straight.
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...icles/cfn/2012/4/24/sanford_police_dispu.html
Nothing, of course. I was talking about likelihoods/probability.
While it's possible that you're being followed by a nutjob, it's more likely to be what I said - someone just suspicious of someone who is unfamiliar.
Besides, even if it is a nutjob, that doesn't justify breaking his nose and beating him.
But when defense attorney questioned him he said the injuries were consistent.
There is nothing unlawful about asking that question, and it certainly does not justify battery, so I don't understand why that's relevant.
Besides, GZ's story is that he was merely following him. After all, he knew the police were on their way, so it makes sense his goal was simply to not lose him. But he also says that he lost him, and so was returning to his vehicle when TM found him, and that's when the talking/questioning started.
So I don't see how the keep an eye on him from a distance theory is blown at all.
Remember, between having something like five minutes of recorded phone conversation with the police dispatcher, knowing that the police were about to arrive, and seeing that TM was himself using the phone, he did not have a whole lot of wiggle room to come up with some kind of diabolical plan, and GZ doesn't strike me as someone who could even do that with time to plan it, much less pulling it off on the fly like that. Minutes after the shooting the police did show up, and he had to answer questions. If his story was a lie, then it would be extremely unlikely that it wouldn't have the kinds of holes in it you think you found here.
Maybe it does have such holes, but this is not one.
I agree they were face to face at some point, but that does not necessarily mean that GZ approached TM. I believe that Trayvon was angry that GZ was watching him and doubled back to teach GZ a lesson.
From he slurring words on the 911 tape I believe it was George who was planning on teaching a lesson that night. IMO
I'm not forgetting that at all. It has no relevance whatsoever, since GZ was breaking no laws for simply following someone, especially in a private gated community.
Being followed by a crazy person is a pretty unlikely situation in a gated community. Much more likely is it's someone like a busybody on the board of the HOA, or some other do-gooder resident snooping around to make sure nobody unauthorized is in the community (as GZ turned out to be).
But the more important point is that noticing someone unfamiliar walking around, thinking they're suspicious, calling the police to report them, and getting out of one's vehicle to follow them, even if told by the police dispatcher that that is unnecessary, is all perfectly legal. As far as I know, there is absolutely nothing legally wrong with doing any and all of that, and it's a perfectly normal and reasonable thing to do in a private gated community, especially by the neighborhood watch dude.
From he slurring words on the 911 tape I believe it was George who was planning on teaching a lesson that night. IMO
Why wouldn't GZ's lawyer ask for SYG hearing considering those other cases where judges granted SYG immunity? Posters here constantly point out that GZ put himself into the situation. And yet there appears to be plenty of other cases where people put themselves into the situations-and got SYG immunity. Some of those cases are pretty mind boggling to me yet those people got immunity just the same.
I have no idea what this post means.
Why wouldn't GZ's lawyer ask for SYG hearing considering those other cases where judges granted SYG immunity? Posters here constantly point out that GZ put himself into the situation. And yet there appears to be plenty of other cases where people put themselves into the situations-and got SYG immunity. Some of those cases are pretty mind boggling to me yet those people got immunity just the same.
Not exactly
(you have to watch the video to get the full exchange)
GILBREATH: Managed to scoot away from the concrete sidewalk and that is at that point is when the shooting subsequently followed. That is not consistent with the evidence we found.
O'MARA: The injuries seem to be consistent with his story, though, don't they?
Gilbreath: The injuries are consistent with a harder object striking the back of his head than his head was.
O'MARA: Could that be cement?
GILBREATH: Could be.
O'MARA: Did you just say it was consistent or did you say it wasn't consistent?
GILBREATH: I said it was.
BBM
It's actually kind of confusing to tell what he's saying is consistent with what IMO
Much of what you say makes sense, but it doesn't take a "diabolical plan" to claim "he hit me first!". Even toddlers learn to tell that lie.
ugh this thread is sooo interesting, but I have to stop reading and fix dinner.. hmmm wonder how hubby would feel about having pizza delivered
Actually many community associations require the buyer apply to the association for approval. That generally involves a background search and the association can disapprove someone if they were convicted of one of those things.