2009.03.20 Document Release

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after I think because that one girl was babysitting Caylee, right?

Oops....I see in the interview with Cindy's co-worker that Casey had a pretend job with Sports Authority, not with Footlocker. It's so hard to remember exactly where she didn't work.

It's amazing what lies Casey told over such a long period of time! She lied about everything - wonderful Jeff, with the deceased wife and pretend child, who she didn't actually work with, was so concerned about her safety that he often carpooled with her so she didn't have to be alone. It's no wonder George and Cindy are struggling to sort out the truth from the fiction. It's like they were brainwashed. How does a person accept that the last 3 years of their life has been nothing but a lie?
 
It seems very clear from all the interviews that Casey's problems started when, or just before, she got pregnant. Shirley said Casey was never a behavior problem, never got into trouble. Casey's school friends described her as a popular happy person. We know that she was working and, apparently being somewhat responsible before Caylee's birth. I think the stealing, lying, etc all seems to have come on suddenly. No wonder Cindy and George didn't know how to handle her, they didn't know this new Casey.

Do you guys remember early on when we were scratching our heads over the testimony of one of KC's friends/neighbors(?) about a tale of a younger KC letting her dog relieve itself on a neighbors lawn, and when challenged KC denied owning the dog? This came back to me while reading your post here Chilly.

I also remember the same so-called friends of KC expounding that KC was "known" by them for being a liar, exaggerator, one-upper, et al. She was "that friend" who you might like to hang out with, but couldn't rely on anything coming out of their mouth.

I don't think KC's problems started with her pregnancy. I just think her family didn't notice or take issue of her "down-side" until they became real victims of it as KC was expected to start flying solo - and not just in a cutesy little girl fibbing kind of way.
 
I wasn't aware she claimed to work at Footlocker. She lied about working at Sports Authority, if that is what you are talking about, but that was after she had Caylee.
Lanie

Thanks. I got it wrong.
 
DC's interview. Pure gold. Thank you.

OMG, DC was still working for Casey when he conducted his search. He only terminated his contract with the Baez lawfirm in October. He worked/is working in seperate letters of engagement for George and Cindy, and then one for Casey. However he claims not to have any contact with Casey since the 12th.


Wasn't this interview already released before? Or was this a second one. I only skimmed it but it seemed like the one I read before.
 
I seem to recall her highschool friends saying very clearly that Casey was a known liar long before Caylee was born. Her destructive behaviors may have increased when Caylee was born and her freedom was so severely restricted, but I don't see the onset of antisocial behavior starting when Caylee was born.

Whew! Ok good. We were posting about the same thing around the same time. I haven't completely lost it - yet.
 
I seem to recall her highschool friends saying very clearly that Casey was a known liar long before Caylee was born. Her destructive behaviors may have increased when Caylee was born and her freedom was so severely restricted, but I don't see the onset of antisocial behavior starting when Caylee was born.

I know she stole money from Lee. I don't remember when that was though.
 
Do you guys remember early on when we were scratching our heads over the testimony of one of KC's friends/neighbors(?) about a tale of a younger KC letting her dog relieve itself on a neighbors lawn, and when challenged KC denied owning the dog? This came back to me while reading your post here Chilly.

I also remember the same so-called friends of KC expounding that KC was "known" by them for being a liar, exaggerator, one-upper, et al. She was "that friend" who you might like to hang out with, but couldn't rely on anything coming out of their mouth.

I don't think KC's problems started with her pregnancy. I just think her family didn't notice or take issue of her "down-side" until they began real victims of it as KC was expected to start flying solo - and not just in a cutesy little girl fibbing kind of way.

Yeah, I forgot about the dog incident. I'm going to have to go back and re-read some of the old stuff. I would just like to make a little sense out of this so senseless crime, and it would make more sense to me if this was something that had built up over time vs. just popping up out of nowhere. Thanks for the reminder.
Lanie
 
I seem to recall her highschool friends saying very clearly that Casey was a known liar long before Caylee was born. Her destructive behaviors may have increased when Caylee was born and her freedom was so severely restricted, but I don't see the onset of antisocial behavior starting when Caylee was born.
I agree, even if there was something associated with the pregnancy or birth, the behavior is ongoing almost three years later. That's one heck of a post partum complication there !
 
I guess it isn't obviously visible to me because I don't understand what you are saying.
To me, the changes were very drastic. It just seems there is more to it than an unwanted pregnancy. Drugs seem to have been ruled out. I just feel like there is something else at play here. And don't get me wrong, I don't think people with bi-polar are baby killers. I think it is possible to treat it and lead a happy productive life, even without meds. I also think people can kill their children without being bi-polar. I just think something is going on here.
Lanie
Yes I agree and IMO the thing that is going on is that she murdered her child. A lot of people have committed murder with no criminal history before the murder. SP didn't have a criminal history. He wanted his freedom. I'm just saying that we can try to figure out what KC is: bi-polar, sociopath, psychopath etc. To me it doesn't make a difference because I haven't read anything to suggest that it was something major. I think she got pregnant, maybe not happy about that then became young woman and "hey I can party date etc" and started to resent Caylee and started to Fantasize about life without Caylee and it went from there
 
Do you guys remember early on when we were scratching our heads over the testimony of one of KC's friends/neighbors(?) about a tale of a younger KC letting her dog relieve itself on a neighbors lawn, and when challenged KC denied owning the dog? This came back to me while reading your post here Chilly.

I also remember the same so-called friends of KC expounding that KC was "known" by them for being a liar, exaggerator, one-upper, et al. She was "that friend" who you might like to hang out with, but couldn't rely on anything coming out of their mouth.

I don't think KC's problems started with her pregnancy. I just think her family didn't notice or take issue of her "down-side" until they began real victims of it as KC was expected to start flying solo - and not just in a cutesy little girl fibbing kind of way.

Yup, you've refreshed my memory. She does, according to some of her friends, have a history of telling small lies, but nothing that begins to compare with the lie that the entire last 3 years of her life has been.
 
after I think because that one girl was babysitting Caylee, right?

Just found in the interview with one of Cindy's co-workers -- it was after Caylee was born that Casey held the pretend job at Sports Authority.
 
Yup, you've refreshed my memory. She does, according to some of her friends, have a history of telling small lies, but nothing that begins to compare with the lie that the entire last 3 years of her life has been.

But then again, as a fully supported, loved and sheltered juvenile KC was never in the position to lie for "allowance"/spending money, clothing, rent, groceries, health care, car notes/gas, or child support of her own. I believe KC elevated her talents for lying and stealing to override the challenges that come with maturing into adult/parenthood.
 
Why did they vacuum the trunk on Jan. 2, 2009 -- didn't they vacuum it before then?

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0320/18973855.pdf

page 3 of this doc.

And, who is Mr. Dean who had the frozen snake? Sorry, to keep bringing up the snake, but it's bugging me...:)
It looks like they vacuumed a final time before it was moved to the evidence unit. I am sure it was vacuumed before this. As for the snake, I have no idea who this man is or how he got the snake, but could they possibly disect it to see if it "holds" evidence ? This is the only thing I can think of, since it was near the remains, it might have digested something (I hate to go into more detail than this).
 
Wasn't this interview already released before? Or was this a second one. I only skimmed it but it seemed like the one I read before.

It is old but I had not seen it til now. So new to me, and yeterday's news for everyone else :o
 
But then again, as a fully supported, loved and sheltered juvenile KC was never in the position to lie for "allowance"/spending money, clothing, rent, groceries, health care, car notes/gas, or child support of her own. I believe KC elevated her talents for lying and stealing to override the challenges that come with maturing into adult/parenthood.

True, but some of the lies are so elaborate and seem to have no purpose. For instance, Casey's entire fake relationship with Jeff H. Week after week he was supposed to meet with Cindy and George. Cindy prepared meals for him. Always at the last minute he was unable to come, and eventually he moved away to Jacksonville. What was that all about?
 
I first noticed this with Cindy's blog, and while Cindy may have her reasons for lying about how perfect Casey is now, the same isn't true for all these other people. If Casey is indeed a sociopath, I don't think that is something that just popped up. One of the symptoms of that is they don't know proper emotional responses, and I find it hard to believe she was better at faking it through middle school and high school, then suddenly gets bad at it. I kept waiting to read from people they thought she was weird back in the day, but haven't seen it yet.
JMO
Lanie

But understand, they surround themselves with people much like those they've fooled all of their lives. They are great at one thing: CONNING OTHER'S! therefore, easy to fool. They are drawn to people like JG, who, even tho was lied blatantly to about Caylee's paternity, fooled into believing she was a 'good' girl who didn't party or fool around on him all the while, she was doing just that. He even mentioned hangover's, her lying and his father said all she did was bad mouth her parents and tell tall tales. She was a 'chameleon' and mirrored herself into what she thought he wanted in a GF/wife, got bored and wanted to openly do what she was doing behind his back.
For him to say she is a 'different' woman is merely denial. He's discounting her HUGE lie about the baby and all the other behavior's cuz she could sweet talk and con him into never believing anything negative about his sweet little 'lady'. Later, she wants her family to stay as far away from him as possible. WHY? So they can't compare notes, can't find out she really was saying her mother's nuts and so on.
She puts on an act with each and every person she's with, put herself out there as a good person, good mother in front of people, yet she had to separate her friend's because her lifestyle and lies were so out there she couldn't have them comparing notes.

Her best friend since middle school just told LE in the interview just released that her lies were what turned her off from the friendship, even after many years and thru HS. She says she wasn't the same girl either YET she was a liar and that got into the way of their relationship. She knew Casey couldn't have a career that she was working in school herself toward, cuz Casey didn't go to school for it--or anything. She said that even tho CMA's babysitter called the Gym (iirc) where she told her (lauren) she worked and they said they'd never heard of her, Casey maintained she did work there and even has a BADGE, LOL. That carp worked with her parents for YEARS and she told LE, well, I have a badge (for Universal) another words, she didn't care what they said, she worked there and that's that. This 'friend' knew all these things YET says, she was suddenly different??? I mean, she admits that Casey even believed her own lies!
Same with the A's, they 'know' her but they don't because they had no idea she was capable of murder YET she'd done many cruel things by stealing, lying and it wasn't just the partying or the friend's/lover's or all just out from left field. It had been going on for years.
A person doesn't get the way this woman is overnight. they fool every person they come across and make sure to attach themselves to people who are gullible and easily taken advantage of. You could tell some still had a hard time telling the LE the way it was with her. The grandmother knew! Couldn't understand how CA let it go ten days let alone 31 with all the stories and excuses she got from Casey during all that time she was gone.
She was so good at it, C & G believed she wasn't pregnant! In the face of other's telling them WTH's wrong with you--look at her!
Listen to the July 30 jail visitation. A poster wrote one paragraph. She showed no compassion, no conscience NOTHING about Caylee, or her parents feelings but went on and on about herself.

This is sociopathy. Pathological. It doesn't happen overnight or because of some flood of hormones or stressful event. This is not how those things manifest themselves, this is a personality disorder.

I have worked with these people and I could see it in the first phone call--the 911 where her mother's a wreck yet she's nonchalant. And the second where she's having a temper tantrum, wants her way and by the way they don't care about her, they only want Caylee back, that's all they want. It was all a huge waste, that call. Because for once it wasn't going to be about her no matter how much she wanted it to be.

CMA is nothing but a predator, she has honed her skills over the short years of her life to get where she is today.

ETA: Holy moly I wrote a BOOK! So sorry!!!!
 
But then again, as a fully supported, loved and sheltered juvenile KC was never in the position to lie for "allowance"/spending money, clothing, rent, groceries, health care, car notes/gas, or child support of her own. I believe KC elevated her talents for lying and stealing to override the challenges that come with maturing into adult/parenthood.

Correct. The lying and stealing done by a 12/14/16 year old Casey is not going to compare to what she did at 18/20/22. As her ability got better her damage increased. As her motivation increased and her freedom decreased she got more outlandish and more desperate.

We are not comparing behavior that occured at 25 and 35. The expectations of Casey changed dramatically during these very few years. I don't think her coping skills changed dramatically, she was always a liar and a thief and a manipulator. They just became impossible to ignore.
 

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